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Gaza Flotilla - genuine peace activists or Hamas puppets?

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TicklishMauveSquid · 27/09/2025 22:36

It has been reported that these activists have rejected the Italian government and the Vatican's proposal to unload any aid they are carrying in Cyprus, to be transferred peacefully to Gaza.

They seem intent on sailing into a legal blockade in a warzone as a direct provocation to Israel who will be forced to take control of 50 boats and the people on them.

They have made lots of unproven allegations that Israel has attacked their boats which may well be to precursor violent resistance in 'self defence'.

They could be carrying anything, including weapons.

There is quite compelling evidence of Hamas/Muslim Brotherhood connections to this so called humanitarian flotilla, which could be considered perverse in the extreme seeing as Hamas has caused the humanitarian crisis in Gaza.

https://govextra.gov.il/mda/march-to-gaza/the-hidden-networks-behind-the-global-sumud-flotilla

Hundreds of Israeli boat owners are being encouraged to counter protest in Navy approved zones (without interfering) as a presence 'a blue and white wall for the hostages'.

What do we think the outcome of this will be with Italian and Spanish Navy vessels in the mix?

This is quite a different situation than the ONE boat in the earlier failed attempt to breach the blockade this year where the 'activists' were peacefully appeased with sandwiches and sent on their way (after refusing to watch footage of Oct 7th).

Unmasking Extremism: The Hidden Networks Behind the “March to Gaza” Campaign

A campaign of so-called “peaceful solidarity” reveals disturbing ties to designated terrorist organizations.

https://govextra.gov.il/mda/march-to-gaza/the-hidden-networks-behind-the-global-sumud-flotilla

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quantumbutterfly · 09/10/2025 22:40

Being pro Palestinian doesn’t mean being against the existence of Israel, it just means being against the non existence of Palestine.

This is not the case for many people, and that is the problem.

PaxAeterna · 09/10/2025 22:54

quantumbutterfly · 09/10/2025 22:40

Being pro Palestinian doesn’t mean being against the existence of Israel, it just means being against the non existence of Palestine.

This is not the case for many people, and that is the problem.

Israeli’s safety shouldn’t come at the expense of Palestinian’s safety. That’s the crux of the issue.

the existence of Israel isn’t up for debate. In no talks has it been suggested that Israel should disappear. That’s not what international governments are talking about.

Of course there are individuals who think this but on a world stage. It’s not really a thing that Israel should disappear. This is not going to happen. It’s not up for discussion.

stomachamelon · 09/10/2025 22:56

@PaxAeternaI knew and admired many many pro Palestinian Jews in Israel that did an awful amount for their case. Sadly a lot were murdered in their kibbutzim on October 7th along with their wider families after being betrayed by the people they advocated so heavily for.

I know where my sympathy lies.

EasyTouch · 09/10/2025 23:00

PotatoesandOatsforlife · 09/10/2025 10:17

I'm sorry, but I have to call this out.
It's pretty offensive to accuse everyone of inherent antisemitism. Imagine if someone lumped all Jews together, as you have lumped all Christians together, and all Muslims together? That would be quite rightly called out as prejudice. So, it's equally prejudiced in reverse.
Of course antisemitism is obscene. But, so is Islamophobia, Christianophobia or any other form of racial and religious prejudice.
It's very problematic that some people conflate love of Israel (no matter what its leaders and military do) with sympathy for Jewish people generally, and criticism of Israel with antisemitism. It creates a culture of fear, and makes balanced conversation impossible. It also is very unfair on Jewish critics of Israel.
This may not be intentional always, and I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you really think what you've written, in which case I'm so sorry for you that you think that. But, the problem is it distracts from real antisemitism. Which I know has risen, and that's dreadful.
The Israeli government & military is committing a genocide. The Gazans are suffering to a hellish extent. The British government is utterly complicit. That's the reason people are so upset. Obviously some antisemites are misusing the situation for their own hateful ends, and that's disgusting. But, I genuinely believe (knowing my own mind, and speaking extensively with others) that that's a minority. I really believe that most people aren't inherently hateful. Most people have far more good in them than bad I think.

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SpaceRaccoon · 09/10/2025 23:10

Israeli’s safety shouldn’t come at the expense of Palestinian’s safety. That’s the crux of the issue.

Well, yes, but the Palestinians aren't without agency, and have a responsibility towards behaving in a way that doesn't risk their own safety.

quantumbutterfly · 09/10/2025 23:18

PaxAeterna · 09/10/2025 22:54

Israeli’s safety shouldn’t come at the expense of Palestinian’s safety. That’s the crux of the issue.

the existence of Israel isn’t up for debate. In no talks has it been suggested that Israel should disappear. That’s not what international governments are talking about.

Of course there are individuals who think this but on a world stage. It’s not really a thing that Israel should disappear. This is not going to happen. It’s not up for discussion.

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The houthis, hezbollah, hamas, pij, many members of fatah, Iran and their idiot cheerleaders in the west are not on the same page as you. Sadly some of them like to direct rockets, missiles, jihadis and suicide bombers to prove their point.

PaxAeterna · 09/10/2025 23:21

stomachamelon · 09/10/2025 22:56

@PaxAeternaI knew and admired many many pro Palestinian Jews in Israel that did an awful amount for their case. Sadly a lot were murdered in their kibbutzim on October 7th along with their wider families after being betrayed by the people they advocated so heavily for.

I know where my sympathy lies.

Well honestly I think you can feel as much empathy for the people murdered in Israel as you can for all of those subsequently murdered in Gaza. 37 children died in Israel that day. I’m not trying to belittle it. That is more than a class full of children. It is absolutely devastating. But a whole class of children have been killed in Gaza every day since then?

How is this ok? How does it solve anything? How does it make Israel more safe? It’s time for peace now. Whatever side your sympathies lie nobody should be defending further deaths.

quantumbutterfly · 09/10/2025 23:24

Oh yes...and October 7th. I hope that going forward moderate governance on all sides, deradicalisation of education and intercommunity initiatives can bring peace going forward, there's always hope. (thanks Pandora).

In the middle east strong arm tactics are the norm, but hey at least if it's an arab country doing the strong arming it won't be controversial.

Ellen2shoes · 09/10/2025 23:40

50 people were killed in Palestine while they were celebrating a ceasefire today - by Israel. How long can this be defended?

PaxAeterna · 09/10/2025 23:46

quantumbutterfly · 09/10/2025 23:24

Oh yes...and October 7th. I hope that going forward moderate governance on all sides, deradicalisation of education and intercommunity initiatives can bring peace going forward, there's always hope. (thanks Pandora).

In the middle east strong arm tactics are the norm, but hey at least if it's an arab country doing the strong arming it won't be controversial.

Well yes we can only hope for moderate governments on all sides. And we are all mainly counting on Trump! Better than nothing.

Ellen2shoes · 09/10/2025 23:47

They are entirely without agency. Let the journalists in.

SpaceRaccoon · 09/10/2025 23:55

Ellen2shoes · 09/10/2025 23:40

50 people were killed in Palestine while they were celebrating a ceasefire today - by Israel. How long can this be defended?

Do you have a link for that? I've seen reports of an airstrike killing four people, not fifty. I think it said the building had 40/50 people in it.

SisterTeatime · 10/10/2025 07:27

Ellen2shoes · 09/10/2025 23:47

They are entirely without agency. Let the journalists in.

What?

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