Have the events of the last couple of days changed your mind on the Israel/Gaza crisis?

[BaMamma]

Not only, but including, the macabre theatre with the coffins of the Bibas babies, Oded Lifshitz, and, as we now know, a currently anonymous Palestinian woman.

The locked coffins with no keys.

The antisemitic poster of Netanyahu as a blood sucking vampire.

The celebrations in Gaza, happy, joyful people surrounding those coffins., children dancing, parents smiling.

The 'mix-up' over Shiri Bibas body.

The discovery that the babies were murdered, not killed in an airstrike.

Does any of that change your mind about the rightness of your position on Israel and Palestine/Gaza?

You talk about "jumping in with Islamaphobia and racist tropes" well let's have no more talk of anti semitism then.....

Still waiting for your example of Islamophobia on here... please?

The difference here is that I am not inventing antisemitism where none exists.

There is antisemitism here. Lots of it. There is not a thread here that doesn’t have many posts deleted for antisemitism. That is proven. Anyone can read here and see exactly what I am talking about.

If you see Islamophobic posts, then you can go ahead and report them. What you can’t do, is use completely fabricated accusations of Islamophobia to stop people discussing things that you would rather weren’t discussed.

I've did, I won't keep repeating myself, please read the whole thread.

I've read the whole thread.
You said Islamophobia is rife on here.
I don't think I'm able to spot it so I asked you for an example of someone being Islamophobic on here please?
I'm genuinely interested.

@Vivi0
Aaah accusations of anti semitism are OK but accusations of Islamaphobia or racism are not. Remember its down to interpretation and opinion.

If you read the whole thread how did you miss my reply to this question 🤔

Your apparent inability to quote any of the "Islamophobic" comments you say are "rife" on this thread is very telling.

@Vivi0 if you see anti semitism on the thread report it. But don't try to shut down discussion with fabricated accusations of it.

You gave an example of an Islamophobic trope. That all Muslims are assumed to be terrorists. I asked to see an example of it.

Of course there is Islamophobia in the world. You specifically said it was rife on here tho. So give an example of it on here?

Please.

I do report it.

I suggest you follow your own advice.

Come on, the example that poster gives us all over the thread.

That is not what I said. Antisemitism is not okay and Islamophobia is not okay. If you see any, report. Don’t invent it to shut down conversations that you don’t like. Simple, really.

Show me 1 instance of it?
Honestly asking, please?

Thank you for this flawless illustration of my point.

Yep there it is

On the very first page of this thread:

• a poster stated that Gazans are not innocent and agree with Hamas.
• a poster suggested that the entire population had been radicalised and now fits under the Hamas umbrella.
• a poster claimed that the Palestinian people have been brainwashed en masse.

All excuses used to justify violence against them. All intended to paint a group of people as less than human and undeserving of basic respect and decency.

Considering half the population of Gaza are children, those assertions are wild.

So you're saying that it was OK for the IDF to murder this little girl? I think this post needs to be removed as this is probably one of the worst things I've read on here..

That’s not what the poster said .
You don’t post in good faith. You twist people’s meaning.
For the record the death of little Hind was a terrible atrocity and I hope the people responsible are held accountable.

I didn’t see any pro Israelis deflecting and minimising on the thread about Hind in the way you have just done on the Bibas thread.
I know we’re not supposed to mention other threads but it’s very hard not to call out your blatant hypocrisy.

Thanks for answering.

I've read the whole first page and can't see what you're referring to.

One poster says about the cheering crowd around the coffins seemed to agree with Hamas but I assume you'll allow statement of actual fact?

That's what she's implying, if you don't think I don't post in good faith that's your opinion, you don't have to reply to me, simples. Also if I was deflecting then so were many many others, I presume you'll be calling them out on it too

All excuses used to justify violence against them. All intended to paint a group of people as less than human and undeserving of basic respect and decency.

No.

I can’t see those exact comments, but any in that vain are clearly in direct response to the scenes of entire Palestinian families coming out to celebrate the murder of Jewish babies and cheer around their mutilated bodies.

It’s not Islamophobic to say that celebrating the murder of Jewish babies by Hamas denotes agreement with Hamas, or that bringing children along to such a celebration constitutes radicalisation. It’s true. What is racist or Islamophobic about that?

But what has any of that got to do with Islam?

That's people pointing out their concerns about Gazans. Commenting on things we can all see with our own eyes?

Where's the Islamophobia?

None of what you mention talks about religion in any way and can certainly not be called "Islamophobia".

Gazans, on the other hand, voted Hamas into power at a time when their (founding) charter called for the murder of all Jews (note: "Jews", not "Israelis"). You can’t get much clearer racism than that.