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Conflict in the Middle East

Currently Israel are fighting Hanas in Gaza, The Houthis in Yeman and Hezbollah in Lebanon.

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YoYoYoYo12345 · 29/09/2024 17:14

One country taking on so many terrorist organisations.

Or is it so many terrorist organisations constantly attacking Israel.

So many hate filled terrorists. Why don't they ever focus on their own people and a better life for them. Are they all raving mad.

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Daftasabroom · 30/09/2024 13:54

SunnyZebra · 30/09/2024 13:45

But those countries have been created in the way you’re objecting to and you don’t seem to have a problem with them.

plus you do realise there’s archeological evidence that there have been Jews living in what is now Israel for 3000 years

why is it that you have such an issue with the world’s only Jewish state?? There’s a word for that you know…

It's the actions of the world's imperialist nations I have a problem with.

Miffylou · 30/09/2024 13:55

SunnyZebra · 30/09/2024 13:45

But those countries have been created in the way you’re objecting to and you don’t seem to have a problem with them.

plus you do realise there’s archeological evidence that there have been Jews living in what is now Israel for 3000 years

why is it that you have such an issue with the world’s only Jewish state?? There’s a word for that you know…

You would have thought the placename "Judea" might have been a clue…

Daftasabroom · 30/09/2024 13:59

Miffylou · 30/09/2024 13:55

You would have thought the placename "Judea" might have been a clue…

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Oh FFS grow up. That's the excuse the Chinese are using to threaten Taiwan and the west Pacific - cos it's called the South China Sea, yeah right so obvs belongs to them?

Miffylou · 30/09/2024 14:05

Daftasabroom · 30/09/2024 13:59

Oh FFS grow up. That's the excuse the Chinese are using to threaten Taiwan and the west Pacific - cos it's called the South China Sea, yeah right so obvs belongs to them?

I didn’t say that proves it "belongs" to them. I was backing up @SunnyZebra 's point that there have been Jews living in what is now Israel for a very long time - something many pro-Palestinians seem to want to deny.

quantumbutterfly · 30/09/2024 14:05

Daftasabroom · 30/09/2024 13:59

Oh FFS grow up. That's the excuse the Chinese are using to threaten Taiwan and the west Pacific - cos it's called the South China Sea, yeah right so obvs belongs to them?

I thought they were arguing that the inhabitants of Taiwan are 97% ethnically Han chinese.

NumberNotRecognised · 30/09/2024 14:07

PinkStringofHearts · 29/09/2024 21:23

Is it better if you execute people that aren't your 'own' ?

“I asked the nurse, what’s the history? She said that they were brought in a couple of hours ago. They had sniper shots to the brain. They were seven or eight years old,” she said.
The Canadian doctor’s heart sank. These were not the first children treated by Alvi who she was told were targeted by Israeli soldiers, and she knew the damage a single high-calibre bullet could do to a fragile young body.
“They were not able to talk, paraplegic. They were literally lying down as vegetables on those beds. They were not the only ones. I saw even small children with direct sniper shot wounds to the head as well as in the chest. They were not combatants, they were small children,” said Alvi.

www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/02/gaza-palestinian-children-killed-idf-israel-war

From the article there is absolutely no conclusive evidence that children in Gaza are being deliberately targeted by IDF snipers.

It would be totally illogical for them to do that as it would rightly bring even more condemnation and pressure upon Israel.

Just a thought, but the various terrorist groups in Gaza have killed Israeli soldiers and commandeered tanks and equipment. It is not beyond the realms of possibility that they are killing their own, even children, to make it look like the IDF did it to further their cause and bring about international condemnation. It’s not like they haven’t done it before and it’s absolutely horrific.

They gleefully brutally murdered and multilated Israeli children on Oct 7th and filmed it.

Daftasabroom · 30/09/2024 14:12

quantumbutterfly · 30/09/2024 14:05

I thought they were arguing that the inhabitants of Taiwan are 97% ethnically Han chinese.

In Taiwan yes, although probably more that it's where the last remnants of the ROC government ended up in 1949.

China are building military bases in the South China Sea, part of their justification is "the Clue's in the name".

StupidFarang · 30/09/2024 14:12

Daftasabroom · 30/09/2024 10:47

Since no one can tell me why the Western powers, and since 1948 the Israelis, have the right to displace, massacre, etc the incumbent Palestinian and Arab populations it feels like a different set of rules for each. Except of course the West and the Israelis get to make the rules, and the Palestinians get no say whatever.

Israelis don't have to leave of course - they just need to return stolen land and property to their former owners.

Not sure where your history is from but the "imperial western powers" did not create israel.
The British, who had take over the mandate for Palestins after the Ottomans were defeated were desperate to get out as they were caught in the middle between Palestinian Arabs and Palestinian Jews. So they asked the UN to find a solution. The UN proposed a partion plan which was voted on and approved by the UN member states. The Palestinian Jews accepted the plan but the Arabs rejected it (because they wanted it all). Civil war intensifies between Palestinian Arabs and Palestinian Jews. British decide to leave anyway and do so in May 1948. The day after they leave, the Palestinian zionists declared the state of israel, interestingly palestinian Arabs don't declare a state of palestine.
So state of israel declared by Palestinian Zionists, now Israelis, and country invaded by armies from 5 neighbouring countries. Jordan takes west bank, Egypt takes gaza strip. Jews are 100% ethnically cleansed or massacred from areas held by Arabs. Yes, the displacement was far worse for Arabs because they lost the war they started. Many ran away, some were forcibly displaced but the Arabs did the exact same thing to Jews in the areas they held and then some. The Arabs who remained (20% of the population) became citizens of israel. Following the establishment of the state of israel there was mass dispacement of Jews from Arab countries, equal in number basically to palestinians displaced. Hth

YoYoYoYo12345 · 30/09/2024 14:19

StupidFarang · 30/09/2024 14:12

Not sure where your history is from but the "imperial western powers" did not create israel.
The British, who had take over the mandate for Palestins after the Ottomans were defeated were desperate to get out as they were caught in the middle between Palestinian Arabs and Palestinian Jews. So they asked the UN to find a solution. The UN proposed a partion plan which was voted on and approved by the UN member states. The Palestinian Jews accepted the plan but the Arabs rejected it (because they wanted it all). Civil war intensifies between Palestinian Arabs and Palestinian Jews. British decide to leave anyway and do so in May 1948. The day after they leave, the Palestinian zionists declared the state of israel, interestingly palestinian Arabs don't declare a state of palestine.
So state of israel declared by Palestinian Zionists, now Israelis, and country invaded by armies from 5 neighbouring countries. Jordan takes west bank, Egypt takes gaza strip. Jews are 100% ethnically cleansed or massacred from areas held by Arabs. Yes, the displacement was far worse for Arabs because they lost the war they started. Many ran away, some were forcibly displaced but the Arabs did the exact same thing to Jews in the areas they held and then some. The Arabs who remained (20% of the population) became citizens of israel. Following the establishment of the state of israel there was mass dispacement of Jews from Arab countries, equal in number basically to palestinians displaced. Hth

Please read this @daft. you really need to.

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PinkStringofHearts · 30/09/2024 14:28

NumberNotRecognised · 30/09/2024 14:07

From the article there is absolutely no conclusive evidence that children in Gaza are being deliberately targeted by IDF snipers.

It would be totally illogical for them to do that as it would rightly bring even more condemnation and pressure upon Israel.

Just a thought, but the various terrorist groups in Gaza have killed Israeli soldiers and commandeered tanks and equipment. It is not beyond the realms of possibility that they are killing their own, even children, to make it look like the IDF did it to further their cause and bring about international condemnation. It’s not like they haven’t done it before and it’s absolutely horrific.

They gleefully brutally murdered and multilated Israeli children on Oct 7th and filmed it.

There are reports from multiple international healthcare professionals that this is happening. I'm not sure what they would all have to gain by lying about it. Considering Israels refusal to allow independent observers into Gaza testimonials like those of International medics are incredibly important and all that we have at this time. I'm sure much more will come out if Israel ever decide to withdraw from Gaza but until then I chose to believe experienced professionals.

Whatever convoluted scenarios you wish to imagine instead of listening to those experienced professionals who have actually been there and can provide is of no concern to me.

"I have two children that I have photographs of that were shot so perfectly in the chest I couldn’t put my stethoscope over their heart more accurately, and directly on the side of the head in the same child. No toddler gets shot twice by mistake by 'the world’s best sniper. And they’re dead-centre shots."
The words of Mark Perlmutter a surgeon who worked in Gaza.

quantumbutterfly · 30/09/2024 14:28

Daftasabroom · 30/09/2024 14:12

In Taiwan yes, although probably more that it's where the last remnants of the ROC government ended up in 1949.

China are building military bases in the South China Sea, part of their justification is "the Clue's in the name".

You're sure it's not more to do with it's geographical location, next to China.

Daftasabroom · 30/09/2024 14:33

@StupidFarang Yes, the displacement was far worse for Arabs and the British forces sided massively against the Arabs during the mandate.

The whole region is an absolute shit show and much of the blame can be laid at the feet of the western imperial powers - Britain, France, Italy, Russia, the Ottomans, Austria-Hungary. From Afghanistan, to the Sinai, the horn of Africa, Persia, the Balkans, Crimea, Algeria. It's impossible to unpick but one thing I'm personally certain of is that the UK has got to stop supporting Israel until they stop and reverse their expansionism.

NumberNotRecognised · 30/09/2024 14:34

StupidFarang · 30/09/2024 14:12

Not sure where your history is from but the "imperial western powers" did not create israel.
The British, who had take over the mandate for Palestins after the Ottomans were defeated were desperate to get out as they were caught in the middle between Palestinian Arabs and Palestinian Jews. So they asked the UN to find a solution. The UN proposed a partion plan which was voted on and approved by the UN member states. The Palestinian Jews accepted the plan but the Arabs rejected it (because they wanted it all). Civil war intensifies between Palestinian Arabs and Palestinian Jews. British decide to leave anyway and do so in May 1948. The day after they leave, the Palestinian zionists declared the state of israel, interestingly palestinian Arabs don't declare a state of palestine.
So state of israel declared by Palestinian Zionists, now Israelis, and country invaded by armies from 5 neighbouring countries. Jordan takes west bank, Egypt takes gaza strip. Jews are 100% ethnically cleansed or massacred from areas held by Arabs. Yes, the displacement was far worse for Arabs because they lost the war they started. Many ran away, some were forcibly displaced but the Arabs did the exact same thing to Jews in the areas they held and then some. The Arabs who remained (20% of the population) became citizens of israel. Following the establishment of the state of israel there was mass dispacement of Jews from Arab countries, equal in number basically to palestinians displaced. Hth

Yes it is interesting that no State of Palestine was declared in 1948.

A Palestinian State was proclaimed 40 years later in 1988 by Palestine Liberation Organisation leader, Yasser Arafat, himself an Egyptian. Very interesting.

It would also be interesting to find out who’s land @Daftasabroom thinks was stolen by whom and how far back he/she wants to go with that.

quantumbutterfly · 30/09/2024 14:35

The Ottomans were a western power?🤔

Daftasabroom · 30/09/2024 14:35

quantumbutterfly · 30/09/2024 14:28

You're sure it's not more to do with it's geographical location, next to China.

It's expansionism. Which never ends well.

StupidFarang · 30/09/2024 14:36

Daftasabroom · 30/09/2024 14:33

@StupidFarang Yes, the displacement was far worse for Arabs and the British forces sided massively against the Arabs during the mandate.

The whole region is an absolute shit show and much of the blame can be laid at the feet of the western imperial powers - Britain, France, Italy, Russia, the Ottomans, Austria-Hungary. From Afghanistan, to the Sinai, the horn of Africa, Persia, the Balkans, Crimea, Algeria. It's impossible to unpick but one thing I'm personally certain of is that the UK has got to stop supporting Israel until they stop and reverse their expansionism.

The Ottomans were western Imperialist? Who knew?!

Yeah, and Brits didn't side against the Arabs. In fact, they shut the gates of Palestine firmly shut during ww2 despite desperate Jews trying to seek refuge from genocide to appease the Arabs

EasternStandard · 30/09/2024 14:37

Groovykindofglove · 30/09/2024 13:34

Lots of words here, saying very little - presumably because you know you'd be deleted if you said, "They can go back to Poland."

Is this what you mean @Daftasabroom ?

Daftasabroom · 30/09/2024 14:37

quantumbutterfly · 30/09/2024 14:35

The Ottomans were a western power?🤔

Got distracted halfway through, poor sentence structure but I'm sure you get my point.

quantumbutterfly · 30/09/2024 14:38

Daftasabroom · 30/09/2024 14:37

Got distracted halfway through, poor sentence structure but I'm sure you get my point.

I'm not sure you get your point.

Daftasabroom · 30/09/2024 14:40

StupidFarang · 30/09/2024 14:36

The Ottomans were western Imperialist? Who knew?!

Yeah, and Brits didn't side against the Arabs. In fact, they shut the gates of Palestine firmly shut during ww2 despite desperate Jews trying to seek refuge from genocide to appease the Arabs

Between the wars the British forces on the ground, and in the air, were attacked by both sides but reacted completely differently to the Arabs.

Daftasabroom · 30/09/2024 14:41

NumberNotRecognised · 30/09/2024 14:34

Yes it is interesting that no State of Palestine was declared in 1948.

A Palestinian State was proclaimed 40 years later in 1988 by Palestine Liberation Organisation leader, Yasser Arafat, himself an Egyptian. Very interesting.

It would also be interesting to find out who’s land @Daftasabroom thinks was stolen by whom and how far back he/she wants to go with that.

Living memory.

NumberNotRecognised · 30/09/2024 14:42

PinkStringofHearts · 30/09/2024 14:28

There are reports from multiple international healthcare professionals that this is happening. I'm not sure what they would all have to gain by lying about it. Considering Israels refusal to allow independent observers into Gaza testimonials like those of International medics are incredibly important and all that we have at this time. I'm sure much more will come out if Israel ever decide to withdraw from Gaza but until then I chose to believe experienced professionals.

Whatever convoluted scenarios you wish to imagine instead of listening to those experienced professionals who have actually been there and can provide is of no concern to me.

"I have two children that I have photographs of that were shot so perfectly in the chest I couldn’t put my stethoscope over their heart more accurately, and directly on the side of the head in the same child. No toddler gets shot twice by mistake by 'the world’s best sniper. And they’re dead-centre shots."
The words of Mark Perlmutter a surgeon who worked in Gaza.

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Have these experienced professionals seen the injuries occurring with their own eyes though?

I prefer to apply logic and common sense rather than believe 3rd hand reports when there has been a clear and long used strategy by the terrorists in Gaza to use civilians, including children, as human shields and their deaths as propaganda.

StupidFarang · 30/09/2024 14:46

Daftasabroom · 30/09/2024 14:40

Between the wars the British forces on the ground, and in the air, were attacked by both sides but reacted completely differently to the Arabs.

No they weren't. The Palestinian Jews supported the Brits until ww2 and even then supported them in the war effort.
Famously after the shameful 1939 white paper, Ben gurion said we shall fight the war as if there were no white paper and fight the white paper as if there were no war.
There was a Jewish (palestinian) legion fighting for the Brits.

StupidFarang · 30/09/2024 14:47

Daftasabroom · 30/09/2024 14:41

Living memory.

How about all the land and property stolen from Jews by Arabs? Within living memory.

Daftasabroom · 30/09/2024 14:48

NumberNotRecognised · 30/09/2024 14:42

Have these experienced professionals seen the injuries occurring with their own eyes though?

I prefer to apply logic and common sense rather than believe 3rd hand reports when there has been a clear and long used strategy by the terrorists in Gaza to use civilians, including children, as human shields and their deaths as propaganda.

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Did you bother to actually read @PinkStringofHearts post? It literally has a direct quote from an experienced professionals seen the injuries occurring with their own eyes

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