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Conflict in the Middle East

Currently Israel are fighting Hanas in Gaza, The Houthis in Yeman and Hezbollah in Lebanon.

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YoYoYoYo12345 · 29/09/2024 17:14

One country taking on so many terrorist organisations.

Or is it so many terrorist organisations constantly attacking Israel.

So many hate filled terrorists. Why don't they ever focus on their own people and a better life for them. Are they all raving mad.

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Auvergne63 · 30/09/2024 11:44

Catatonican · 30/09/2024 10:37

Changed my username

I always find it so hard to comment on these stories as an Arab African woman, born in Syria but educated at a UK boarding school. One set of my ancestors lived under early apartheid. They were black African and considered terrorists internationally. Years later as the brutality and common sense took hold, the world could see they were not terrorist.

What we see on the news is not the reality. This war did not start on 7th October but we all know that. History has taught us that 99% of wars are about land. The truth about this war will only be revealed decades from now.

Never underestimate the wickedness of man and never underestimate the hatred for darker peoples.

Absolutely! It is convenient, for some, to overlook the actual history, preceding 07/10. It isn't black and white. It isn't good v evil.
It is understanding the reasons why terrorists sprung up. This doesn't mean excusing their actions, far from it.
These Ben Gurion's quotes are prophetic

"IF I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?"

"We should prepare to go over to the offensive. Our aim is to smash Lebanon, Trans-Jordan and Syria. The weak point is Lebanon, for the Moslem regime is artificial and easy for us to undermine. We shall establish a Christian state there and then we will smash the Arab Legion, eliminate Trans-Jordan; Syria will fall to us. We then bomb and move on and take Port Said, Alexandria and Sinai."

"When we say that the Arabs are the aggressors and we defend ourselves — this is only half the truth. As regards our security and life we defend ourselves and our moral and physical position is not bad. We can face the gangs... and were we allowed to mobilize all our forces we would have no doubts about the outcome... But the fighting is only one aspect of the conflict which is in its essence a political one. And politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves. Militarily, it is we who are on the defensive who have the upper hand but in the political sphere they are superior."

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Blanketyre · 30/09/2024 11:45

I think they seem to be being very effective against the heads of these terrorist organisations.

Miffylou · 30/09/2024 11:49

Daftasabroom · 30/09/2024 11:43

What about, what about, what about?

I'm not that quoting invasion, displacement and genocide of indigenous people the world over by imperialist nations is a particularly good argument in favor of the current invasion, displacement and genocide of Palestinians by Israel.

Unless of course you think invasion, displacement and genocide is bad. I think it's very bad.

But do you think it’s very bad whoever does it, and should be redressed, or do you only demand redress when you think it’s done by one nation in particular?

Have you noticed how people often shout "whataboutery!" when they don’t want to admit hypocrisy or double standards?

Daftasabroom · 30/09/2024 11:51

EasternStandard · 30/09/2024 11:33

Just to be clear is your answer to should Israel exist no?

Did you read @SunnyZebra post?

Clearly there is no one word answer.

Now if you wouldn't mind answering at least one of my questions - perhaps start with should Palestine exist? Or more to my point - should Western imperial powers have destroyed Palestine?

erwachen · 30/09/2024 11:52

Daftasabroom · 30/09/2024 11:51

Clearly there is no one word answer.

Now if you wouldn't mind answering at least one of my questions - perhaps start with should Palestine exist? Or more to my point - should Western imperial powers have destroyed Palestine?

It's literally a yes or no question. 😂

Daftasabroom · 30/09/2024 11:54

quantumbutterfly · 30/09/2024 11:35

History has happened and we move forward from where we are.

Are Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthis contributing anything positive to this situation?

But do we ignore past wrongs? Or do we just cherry pick?

EasternStandard · 30/09/2024 11:55

Daftasabroom · 30/09/2024 11:51

Clearly there is no one word answer.

Now if you wouldn't mind answering at least one of my questions - perhaps start with should Palestine exist? Or more to my point - should Western imperial powers have destroyed Palestine?

After you, I’ll take a word, it’s either, or not both

Daftasabroom · 30/09/2024 11:58

OnlyFoolsnMothers · 30/09/2024 11:36

Where do you propose the Jewish homeland should be? Or you don’t think they deserve one, you think there needs to be another arab state?

There should be no homeland created for any people if that involves genocide.

quantumbutterfly · 30/09/2024 11:58

Daftasabroom · 30/09/2024 11:54

But do we ignore past wrongs? Or do we just cherry pick?

You answer my question and I'll answer yours.

OnlyFoolsnMothers · 30/09/2024 12:01

Daftasabroom · 30/09/2024 11:58

There should be no homeland created for any people if that involves genocide.

It’s not a genocide- I know you think a few TikTok videos saying it is makes it a fact but it doesn’t. However bravo for finally admitting you don’t think Jews matter, that only took 4 pages of antisemitism.

Miffylou · 30/09/2024 12:01

PinkStringofHearts · 29/09/2024 23:14

Yes a ceasefire is desperately needed, it is just a great shame that that is what it will take for the IDF to hopefully stop sniping little boys and girls in the head. One can only hope that that would extend to the West Bank too where there have been some high profile killings of children who have also been shot in the head by the IDF.

Of course, releasing the abducted hostages would greatly aid the chances of a ceasefire. That has been the case for nearly a year now, yet the pro-Palestinian "ceasefire now!" marchers don’t seem interested in demanding their release or even mentioning them. I wonder why.

Comedycook · 30/09/2024 12:03

Daftasabroom · 30/09/2024 11:58

There should be no homeland created for any people if that involves genocide.

It must have taken quite some mental gymnastics to come up with that sentence.

Miffylou · 30/09/2024 12:10

Daftasabroom · 30/09/2024 11:51

Clearly there is no one word answer.

Now if you wouldn't mind answering at least one of my questions - perhaps start with should Palestine exist? Or more to my point - should Western imperial powers have destroyed Palestine?

You say there is clearly "no one-word answer" to whether Israel should exist.

I don’t really understand why not, but if you want to give an answer containing several words I’m sure no-one would object. Go ahead.

PinkStringofHearts · 30/09/2024 12:29

Miffylou · 30/09/2024 12:01

Of course, releasing the abducted hostages would greatly aid the chances of a ceasefire. That has been the case for nearly a year now, yet the pro-Palestinian "ceasefire now!" marchers don’t seem interested in demanding their release or even mentioning them. I wonder why.

A poster said that Hamas should agree to a ceasefire if we want the IDF to stop sniping small children, little boys and little girls in the head. That until then the IDF won't stop. I merely agreed that a ceasefire would indeed be a good thing.

I don't think that the poster who seemed very disinterested in 6 year old Palestinian children who seemingly are purposefully shot or executed and who was the one who brought up a ceasefire could be described as pro Palestinian but perhaps you could take you wee snidey rant up with her.

JSMill · 30/09/2024 12:48

YellowAsteroid · 29/09/2024 17:36

Or is it so many terrorist organisations constantly attacking Israel.

The depth of hatred for Israel mirrors the depth of Jew hatred in the Middle East.

Remember the 1967 war. Overt aggression against the democratic state of Israel.

Israel launched the 1967 war.

Daftasabroom · 30/09/2024 13:25

OnlyFoolsnMothers · 30/09/2024 12:01

It’s not a genocide- I know you think a few TikTok videos saying it is makes it a fact but it doesn’t. However bravo for finally admitting you don’t think Jews matter, that only took 4 pages of antisemitism.

My apologies, you're obviously so determined to create a straw man espousing antisemitic hatred from any comment that I should have been clearer.

There should be no homeland created for any people if that involves genocide, displacement of any other people.

Happy?

Miffylou · 30/09/2024 13:28

PinkStringofHearts · 30/09/2024 12:29

A poster said that Hamas should agree to a ceasefire if we want the IDF to stop sniping small children, little boys and little girls in the head. That until then the IDF won't stop. I merely agreed that a ceasefire would indeed be a good thing.

I don't think that the poster who seemed very disinterested in 6 year old Palestinian children who seemingly are purposefully shot or executed and who was the one who brought up a ceasefire could be described as pro Palestinian but perhaps you could take you wee snidey rant up with her.

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"Wee snidey rant" - nice phrase! Perhaps I can borrow it to describe your response.

You did not "merely agree that a ceasefire would indeed be a good thing", because you talked about atrocities you say have been committed by one side, but failed to mention anything done by the other side.

SunnyZebra · 30/09/2024 13:33

Daftasabroom · 30/09/2024 13:25

My apologies, you're obviously so determined to create a straw man espousing antisemitic hatred from any comment that I should have been clearer.

There should be no homeland created for any people if that involves genocide, displacement of any other people.

Happy?

So what are you expecting the governments in America, Canada, Australia, New Zealand etc to do then??

Groovykindofglove · 30/09/2024 13:34

Daftasabroom · 30/09/2024 13:25

My apologies, you're obviously so determined to create a straw man espousing antisemitic hatred from any comment that I should have been clearer.

There should be no homeland created for any people if that involves genocide, displacement of any other people.

Happy?

Lots of words here, saying very little - presumably because you know you'd be deleted if you said, "They can go back to Poland."

OnlyFoolsnMothers · 30/09/2024 13:39

Daftasabroom · 30/09/2024 13:25

My apologies, you're obviously so determined to create a straw man espousing antisemitic hatred from any comment that I should have been clearer.

There should be no homeland created for any people if that involves genocide, displacement of any other people.

Happy?

Guess no one in Europe has been displaced from all the Muslims

Daftasabroom · 30/09/2024 13:40

SunnyZebra · 30/09/2024 13:33

So what are you expecting the governments in America, Canada, Australia, New Zealand etc to do then??

Not support Israel's continued expansionism and the genocide against Palestinians.

PinkStringofHearts · 30/09/2024 13:42

Miffylou · 30/09/2024 13:28

"Wee snidey rant" - nice phrase! Perhaps I can borrow it to describe your response.

You did not "merely agree that a ceasefire would indeed be a good thing", because you talked about atrocities you say have been committed by one side, but failed to mention anything done by the other side.

It was a conversation about execution. It seemed relevant to, you know, mention execution.

I didn't realise that mentioning the well publicised execution of little girls and boys would be controversial or that it is beholden to me to mention every atrocity. There are quite a lot of posters on this thread who are not mentioning any Israeli atrocities, are you questioning what that says about them or do you just have a problem with posters who are concerned about child execution?

Daftasabroom · 30/09/2024 13:42

OnlyFoolsnMothers · 30/09/2024 13:39

Guess no one in Europe has been displaced from all the Muslims

Tell me.

SunnyZebra · 30/09/2024 13:45

Daftasabroom · 30/09/2024 13:40

Not support Israel's continued expansionism and the genocide against Palestinians.

But those countries have been created in the way you’re objecting to and you don’t seem to have a problem with them.

plus you do realise there’s archeological evidence that there have been Jews living in what is now Israel for 3000 years

why is it that you have such an issue with the world’s only Jewish state?? There’s a word for that you know…

Daftasabroom · 30/09/2024 13:48

PinkStringofHearts · 30/09/2024 13:42

It was a conversation about execution. It seemed relevant to, you know, mention execution.

I didn't realise that mentioning the well publicised execution of little girls and boys would be controversial or that it is beholden to me to mention every atrocity. There are quite a lot of posters on this thread who are not mentioning any Israeli atrocities, are you questioning what that says about them or do you just have a problem with posters who are concerned about child execution?

To be fair they've also complete ignored British and French atrocious during the mandate.

Actually they've made no attempt to deny any atrocities bought on the Palestinians or Arab peoples by the Israelis or western imperial powers before them.

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