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Conflict in the Middle East

Currently Israel are fighting Hanas in Gaza, The Houthis in Yeman and Hezbollah in Lebanon.

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YoYoYoYo12345 · 29/09/2024 17:14

One country taking on so many terrorist organisations.

Or is it so many terrorist organisations constantly attacking Israel.

So many hate filled terrorists. Why don't they ever focus on their own people and a better life for them. Are they all raving mad.

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Martymcfly24 · 30/09/2024 08:03

SharonEllis · 30/09/2024 07:29

Great, so we're all agreed that Hamas's lack of care for their own is a significant factor.

Definitely a factor, the other factor is Israel is intently targeting and murdering civilians.
We all can agree that too.

MangeMonCochonnet · 30/09/2024 08:04

People the world over are seeing WAR in their faces for the first time, unfortunately it has ALWAYS gone on, the triggered ones are not reacting rationally - which I understand if you're about 16 but beyond that we ha e to accept as adults that war happens, it's awful and painful to contemplate but yes it happens

... and with regard to Israel don't provoke a conflict you cannot finish.
*
Do not slaughter, rape and take hostages (inc babies !!) and not expect consequences.*

Daftasabroom · 30/09/2024 08:06

SharonEllis · 30/09/2024 07:58

Not sure I understand. Where are you saying Israel's borders should be & where should Israelis live?

It's simple, Israel withdraws from all the regions it has invaded and colonized since 1967. Israelis hand back the land and property they have stolen from the previous owners.

Then do the same back to 1948 borders, and then same again to pre mandate borders.

Reparations, by both sides, would be a bonus.

SharonEllis · 30/09/2024 08:07

Daftasabroom · 30/09/2024 08:06

It's simple, Israel withdraws from all the regions it has invaded and colonized since 1967. Israelis hand back the land and property they have stolen from the previous owners.

Then do the same back to 1948 borders, and then same again to pre mandate borders.

Reparations, by both sides, would be a bonus.

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So exactly where would you allow Israelis to live now?

Dulra · 30/09/2024 08:09

MangeMonCochonnet · 30/09/2024 08:04

People the world over are seeing WAR in their faces for the first time, unfortunately it has ALWAYS gone on, the triggered ones are not reacting rationally - which I understand if you're about 16 but beyond that we ha e to accept as adults that war happens, it's awful and painful to contemplate but yes it happens

... and with regard to Israel don't provoke a conflict you cannot finish.
*
Do not slaughter, rape and take hostages (inc babies !!) and not expect consequences.*

we ha e to accept as adults that war happens
War does happen and that is why we have had the Geneva convention setting out the humanitarian laws nations need to stick when fighting these wars, it is for all our protection, ensuring countries do that and calling out those that don't is not irrational

Daftasabroom · 30/09/2024 08:09

SharonEllis · 30/09/2024 08:07

So exactly where would you allow Israelis to live now?

Wherever they were before they killed, expelled and stole the homes and land off the Palestinians.

SharonEllis · 30/09/2024 08:10

Daftasabroom · 30/09/2024 08:09

Wherever they were before they killed, expelled and stole the homes and land off the Palestinians.

And where is that?

MangeMonCochonnet · 30/09/2024 08:12

International law could be a whole other thread , the UN and ICC (among others) cannot be relied upon for impartiality.

I wish it were different.

Dulra · 30/09/2024 08:15

MangeMonCochonnet · 30/09/2024 08:12

International law could be a whole other thread , the UN and ICC (among others) cannot be relied upon for impartiality.

I wish it were different.

Well it is a pretty scary space if those fighting the wars claim that those upholding and investigating the war crimes are not impartial and using it to justify why they are not abiding by the laws.

MangeMonCochonnet · 30/09/2024 08:18

I'm interested to know who you'd define as those fighting the wars?

But yeah good point, it IS scary.

Daftasabroom · 30/09/2024 08:19

SharonEllis · 30/09/2024 07:03

@Martymcfly24 I think we can safely say that Hamas has a 'lack of caring' towards its citizens. Only someone who is a Hamas supporter would think otherwise and we are assured that there are none of those.

That makes as much sense as claiming Israel is the only country that cares for Palestinians.

Dulra · 30/09/2024 08:20

MangeMonCochonnet · 30/09/2024 08:18

I'm interested to know who you'd define as those fighting the wars?

But yeah good point, it IS scary.

I'm interested to know who you'd define as those fighting the wars?
Those that are fighting them currently who have been accused of war crimes - Russia, Israel, Hamas. There are probably more.
Correct me if I am wrong but I have only heard the Israeli government claim the ICC and ICJ are not impartial.

Daftasabroom · 30/09/2024 08:22

MangeMonCochonnet · 30/09/2024 08:04

People the world over are seeing WAR in their faces for the first time, unfortunately it has ALWAYS gone on, the triggered ones are not reacting rationally - which I understand if you're about 16 but beyond that we ha e to accept as adults that war happens, it's awful and painful to contemplate but yes it happens

... and with regard to Israel don't provoke a conflict you cannot finish.
*
Do not slaughter, rape and take hostages (inc babies !!) and not expect consequences.*

You have literally justified the killing of 43,000 Palestinians.

MangeMonCochonnet · 30/09/2024 08:22

There are definitely more but you seem super focused on Israel.

Why is that?

Auvergne63 · 30/09/2024 08:22

Dulra · 30/09/2024 08:15

Well it is a pretty scary space if those fighting the wars claim that those upholding and investigating the war crimes are not impartial and using it to justify why they are not abiding by the laws.

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Indeed. Yet Israel is still in the UN (a few days ago Netanyahu made a speech there to a nearly empty chamber as many delegates left and after authorising 80 bombs to be dropped in Beirut).
Let's not forget Israel signed up to the Geneva convention too.

MangeMonCochonnet · 30/09/2024 08:23

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Dulra · 30/09/2024 08:25

MangeMonCochonnet · 30/09/2024 08:22

There are definitely more but you seem super focused on Israel.

Why is that?

I literally said why in my post:

Correct me if I am wrong but I have only heard the Israeli government claim the ICC and ICJ are not impartial.

Dulra · 30/09/2024 08:26

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Whose is this personal attack to?

MangeMonCochonnet · 30/09/2024 08:28

I don't know about you but I've got a job to go to! So see ya.

And I'm definitely not an Israeli spy , well last time I checked at least 👀.

Daftasabroom · 30/09/2024 08:28

SharonEllis · 30/09/2024 08:10

And where is that?

Please tell me.

Dulra · 30/09/2024 08:40

MangeMonCochonnet · 30/09/2024 08:28

I don't know about you but I've got a job to go to! So see ya.

And I'm definitely not an Israeli spy , well last time I checked at least 👀.

And I'm definitely not an Israeli spy
Who said you were? Weird comment to make

quantumbutterfly · 30/09/2024 08:45

Daftasabroom · 30/09/2024 08:28

Please tell me.

Oh dear daftasabrush, are you one of the 'send them all back where they came from' brigade?

That's a little more complex (& racist) than you think it is.

SharonEllis · 30/09/2024 09:07

Daftasabroom · 30/09/2024 08:28

Please tell me.

You are the one proposing that the Israeli border should change. You need to tell us all where the border should be and where Israelis should live.

Comedycook · 30/09/2024 09:09

Daftasabroom · 30/09/2024 08:28

Please tell me.

You're the one who said it so the onus is on you

SunnyZebra · 30/09/2024 09:33

Daftasabroom · 30/09/2024 08:09

Wherever they were before they killed, expelled and stole the homes and land off the Palestinians.

You might want to read the IHRA definition of antisemitism, specifically this bit:

  1. Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor.
it’s here https://holocaustremembrance.com/resources/working-definition-antisemitism

What is antisemitism?

With the IHRA working definition of antisemitism, the IHRA built international consensus around an answer to the question, what does antisemitism mean?

https://holocaustremembrance.com/resources/working-definition-antisemitism

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