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Conflict in the Middle East

Pagers and walkie talkies .....audacious and successful strike against terrorists

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mids2019 · 21/09/2024 05:24

If a large number of members of Al Quaeda or ISIS were killed with a precise attack I think in the West there would be admiration and indeed satisfaction that such a military success had occurred.

However I am disturbed by the reporting of the targeted neutralization of terrorists within Lebanon with even the main stream press virtually describing those struck as civilians and questioning the legality and morality of this! Have we lost our moral compassess?

There were some unfortunate civil an deaths but given the scale of the strike this was a terrible inevitability. However the civil an to combatant rratio was very small in reality as the explosions were kinky d to a personal zone. Yet when we read the press we allow terrorist propaganda calling the events a massacre of even that trumped up word 'genocide' that people seem to love.

If Osama bin Laden had been brought to a local hospital would we have allowed weeping doctors to lament his injuries? Thought not.

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Tuppence1234 · 21/09/2024 10:52

I wonder why my post was deleted by MN.
I was not saying anything controversial.
I was saying that Israel is blocking aid to Gaza and that is a war crime. I am literary quoting the UN high commissioner for Human Rights!
Why is that against talk guidelines? Is MN a propaganda machine for Netanyahu now?

EasterIssland · 21/09/2024 10:53

Gunnersforthecup · 21/09/2024 10:03

It is possible to disapprove of Netanyahu and also see Hamas and Hezbollah for the murderous slimeballs that they are.

Indeed. Both are as bad as each other. Hence why asking you why did you only mention 2/3 and not 3/3 as none of them want peace

blackcherryconserve · 21/09/2024 11:01

TheOliveGoose · 21/09/2024 10:46

It really wouldn't. If a school or a hospital or a convoy of aid workers were hit in Israel it would be front page news. When was the last time you saw a school in Gaza being hit as front page news? It's just an addendum now, another school hit 20 people killed including 7 children. No photos of the poor children killed, no names, no acknowledgement of their families and how precious their children were to them. I bet you can name more Israeli victims of this conflict than you can Palestinian which given the huge disparity in death tolls is kind of crazy.

'They brought it upon themselves' is actually a quote from an Israeli politician Meirav Ben-Ari who was talking about the deaths of Palestinian children. I have never heard it said in relation to Israelis and find it quite unnerving that you would try and twist such malicious words in that way.

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I disagree with you. The BBC for example almost daily show where Israeli bombs land and make a poit if its a school, mosque etc. They are about as antisemitic as can be in their reporting.

blackcherryconserve · 21/09/2024 11:03

Tuppence1234 · 21/09/2024 10:52

I wonder why my post was deleted by MN.
I was not saying anything controversial.
I was saying that Israel is blocking aid to Gaza and that is a war crime. I am literary quoting the UN high commissioner for Human Rights!
Why is that against talk guidelines? Is MN a propaganda machine for Netanyahu now?

This remark was taken back as it was proven to be untrue that Israel was blocking aid to Gaza. That's possibly why your post was deleted.

Chowtime · 21/09/2024 11:05

I'm not entirely sure I believe the numbers they have given for civilian deaths.

On the two youtube clips I saw, pagers were detonated in supermarkets but only the pager owner was hurt. There were lots of people around them but no-one else was hurt.

blackcherryconserve · 21/09/2024 11:06

JaninaDuszejko · 21/09/2024 07:58

If in the 1980s the UK government had the capabilities to launch a similar attack on the IRA that resulted in thousands of people in Ireland being injured do you think the Troubles in Northern Ireland would have escalated or stopped? What they actually did was start secret negotiations that ultimately resulted in the Good Friday Agreement.

If only Hamas and Hizbollah didn't want to eradicate Israel and wipe Jews from the face of the earth. Then there might be a chance of peace talks. You really can't compare the Troubles in Ireland with the Middle East, I'm afraid.

Tuppence1234 · 21/09/2024 11:08

blackcherryconserve · 21/09/2024 11:03

This remark was taken back as it was proven to be untrue that Israel was blocking aid to Gaza. That's possibly why your post was deleted.

It is not untrue. It’s on the news every day.

Dulra · 21/09/2024 11:09

blackcherryconserve · 21/09/2024 11:01

I disagree with you. The BBC for example almost daily show where Israeli bombs land and make a poit if its a school, mosque etc. They are about as antisemitic as can be in their reporting.

Just curious what non Israeli media companies do you trust to be impartial?

Dulra · 21/09/2024 11:11

Tuppence1234 · 21/09/2024 11:08

It is not untrue. It’s on the news every day.

It's all in the language I think. No they aren't actively "blocking" aid but they are definitely putting many obstacles in the way to delay and limit what gets through so it isn't sufficient to address the humanitarian needs.

blackcherryconserve · 21/09/2024 11:13

Dulra · 21/09/2024 11:11

It's all in the language I think. No they aren't actively "blocking" aid but they are definitely putting many obstacles in the way to delay and limit what gets through so it isn't sufficient to address the humanitarian needs.

And that excuses Hamas from hoarding aid and allowing a black market to flourish? As usual they don't care about any civilians only those who are members of the terrorist group.

AhNowTed · 21/09/2024 11:13

They've just bombed another school killing 20

But... human shields, Hamas blah fucking blah

Dulra · 21/09/2024 11:15

blackcherryconserve · 21/09/2024 11:13

And that excuses Hamas from hoarding aid and allowing a black market to flourish? As usual they don't care about any civilians only those who are members of the terrorist group.

I didn't say any of that I was merely pointing out to the poster why their post was deleted.

TheOliveGoose · 21/09/2024 11:17

blackcherryconserve · 21/09/2024 11:01

I disagree with you. The BBC for example almost daily show where Israeli bombs land and make a poit if its a school, mosque etc. They are about as antisemitic as can be in their reporting.

Well yes, I would imagine that someone who would misattribute heinous quotes about dead children wouldn't be seeing things in the same way way I do. Finding reporting of where bombs land to be antisemitic is an interesting take, you didn't address what I said though. How many dead children are named? How many of their families are mentioned? Saying a bomb hit a school and 7 children died is very basic reporting to my mind.

Would you be happy with the BBC reporting on an Israeli school being hit with a single article that says a school in X area was hit, 14 civillians died with 7 children among the dead. And that's it, that's all of the reporting that those poor victims get.

Tuppence1234 · 21/09/2024 11:17

Dulra · 21/09/2024 11:11

It's all in the language I think. No they aren't actively "blocking" aid but they are definitely putting many obstacles in the way to delay and limit what gets through so it isn't sufficient to address the humanitarian needs.

It is the same language the UN and numerous aid organisations are also using.

Dulra · 21/09/2024 11:22

Tuppence1234 · 21/09/2024 11:17

It is the same language the UN and numerous aid organisations are also using.

Yes true maybe it was deleted for a different reason so

Tuppence1234 · 21/09/2024 11:25

Dulra · 21/09/2024 11:22

Yes true maybe it was deleted for a different reason so

Yes I would be interested to know. Quite worrying if MN just starts to remove posts some moderator might not agree with!

ExquisiteEmelda · 21/09/2024 11:32

The signal sounding beforehand prompted people to hold and look at the devices, to maximise grievous harm to hands, eyes and faces…of the terrorists.
There, fixed it for you.

Lettherebejustice · 21/09/2024 11:44

@mids2019 your posts often really come across in poor taste. I might be wrong but I feel like you get a kick out of winding people up and watching them argue. I'm sure you have mentioned before that you have no skin in the game on either side...
Whatever floats your boat I suppose..

EasterIssland · 21/09/2024 12:21

blackcherryconserve · 21/09/2024 11:03

This remark was taken back as it was proven to be untrue that Israel was blocking aid to Gaza. That's possibly why your post was deleted.

There is a report today from UN stating that Israel is blocking 50% of the aid. So if that’s what the poster said then they were right

EasterIssland · 21/09/2024 12:22

Tuppence1234 · 21/09/2024 11:25

Yes I would be interested to know. Quite worrying if MN just starts to remove posts some moderator might not agree with!

I’d question directly with them. Email
them. I’ve had posts removed and when challenged they’ve been put back

herecomesautumn · 21/09/2024 12:23

Blahblahblah2 · 21/09/2024 07:04

You have lost your moral compass, and yes Israel is carrying out a genocide; there's no better word for it.

I'm sure that there is a better word.

It's not a genocide just because you say so. Don't be a silly billy

TwilightSkies · 21/09/2024 12:23

I'm not entirely sure I believe the numbers they have given for civilian deaths.
On the two youtube clips I saw, pagers were detonated in supermarkets but only the pager owner was hurt. There were lots of people around them but no-one else was hurt.

Im sure if it was a supermarket in Israel you’d believe it though…….

upgradeyourchat · 21/09/2024 12:31

Tuppence1234 · 21/09/2024 11:08

It is not untrue. It’s on the news every day.

Is that the one where you accused a Jewish poster of having a hotline to the Israeli Prime Minister?

Tuppence1234 · 21/09/2024 12:32

@herecomesautumn
I would refer you to the UNHR report from spring this year which accuses Israel of acts of genocide and violation of the genocide convention of 1948.

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