Pagers and walkie talkies .....audacious and successful strike against terrorists

[mids2019]

If a large number of members of Al Quaeda or ISIS were killed with a precise attack I think in the West there would be admiration and indeed satisfaction that such a military success had occurred.

However I am disturbed by the reporting of the targeted neutralization of terrorists within Lebanon with even the main stream press virtually describing those struck as civilians and questioning the legality and morality of this! Have we lost our moral compassess?

There were some unfortunate civil an deaths but given the scale of the strike this was a terrible inevitability. However the civil an to combatant rratio was very small in reality as the explosions were kinky d to a personal zone. Yet when we read the press we allow terrorist propaganda calling the events a massacre of even that trumped up word 'genocide' that people seem to love.

If Osama bin Laden had been brought to a local hospital would we have allowed weeping doctors to lament his injuries? Thought not.

im glad international organisations and governments have got different views to you OP and are more concerned about Israel’s actions this week.

If in the 1980s the UK government had the capabilities to launch a similar attack on the IRA that resulted in thousands of people in Ireland being injured do you think the Troubles in Northern Ireland would have escalated or stopped? What they actually did was start secret negotiations that ultimately resulted in the Good Friday Agreement.

The war between Hizbollah will have thankfully fewer civilian casualties as the area of conflict is more open

sickening you’re thanking that there are less civilian casualties. There should be none!
if any civilian israeli is killed as part of this war will you also be thankful as it’ll not be many?

experts say war with hezbollah won’t be as easy as the one against hamas (if there is any easy In the genocide happening in Gaza) and there will be many civilian casualties in both countries

Are people still excusing a genocide and ethnic cleansing 🙄

Btw airlines have already started banning walky talkies and pagers on airlines from Lebanon. It’s a matter of time restrictions are put in place to avoid airplanes being blown up at the mercy of a government. Yay can’t wait! Yes I don’t carry none of those but next time it could be on phones or tablets and yes I carry those

Exactly.
However I suppose the UK were historically much more obviously the land grabbers and aggressors and Ireland isn’t strategically useful to the US or Europe.

Strategically Israel are a buffer in the Middle East and will inevitably be supported by Europe and the US. They provide an American foothold in the region and intelligence partnerships.

Scary.

I am disgusted that people are defending, celebrating and making jokes about a terrorist attack, which is what this was. Ordinary people were badly hurt, children killed, and people placed in a state of fear and alarm. Healthcare professionals, from first responders to surgeons, have seen and treated horrific injuries - they have worked around the clock to try to save lives, hands and sight, often unsuccessfully, and many are traumatised themselves from what they've experienced.

These pagers were not exclusively in the hands of senior leaders of a terrorist organisation. They were not detonated to prevent an attack or disrupt an operation. They were detonated in grocery stores, cars, family homes, hospitals... The signal sounding beforehand prompted people to hold and look at the devices, to maximise grievous harm to hands, eyes and faces. This does nothing to bring the region closer to peace.

Haaretz:

Israelis Should Watch the Footage From Lebanon With Repulsion and Fear, Not Glee
This week's synchronized pager explosions that killed tens of Hezbollah operatives and wounded thousands more terrorized everyone in Lebanon. Israelis need to be asking: what has this accomplished, and what will be the cost?

As I said on another thread if it was the PA who were exploding the devices of members the IDF who are legitimate targets given Palestinians right to resist you and others like you would not be calling it 'successful' and 'audacious'. You would be calling it a terrorist attack and you would be baying for the blood of those irresponsible for killing Israeli children and injuring Israeli civilians. We would have world leaders condemning the attacks and we would be bombarded with the photos and life stories of the innocent victims. The double standards are clear, nobody would be happy with these 'precision' attacks if Israel were the target. And yes the IDF are just as legitimate a target for Palestinians as Hezbollah are for Israel.

You don't believe your own arguments for why what Israel did was OK, you just value Israeli lives higher than the lives of other people in the region and are willing to sacrifice those lives if it make Israelis feel safer.

Debates on this are pointless when you don't believe your own arguments and won't be honest about your true feelings about why you find this OK or even in some cases humorous.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c1m955z0veyt?post=asset%3A74c0829d-e18d-423a-8209-4f433303d348#post

The UN have called it a war crime.

Are people still excusing a genocide and ethnic cleansing 🙄

Yes they are. They will never stop. They make excuses, whataboutery, but but but October 7th, anti-semitism blah blah blah.
Tens of THOUSANDS of innocent Palestinians blown up, burnt, starved, tortured, thrown of buildings, hospitals and schools destroyed. Gaza destroyed. Safe spaces bombed. There is NO excuse. It’s pure evil.

Israelis need to be asking: what has this accomplished, and what will be the cost?
Not much strategically it seems. In the short term, it’s a propaganda victory for Israel. Hezbolleh are firing rockets back within hours. It still can hit Tel Avis airport or take out the Israeli power grid if things escalate.
In the wider scheme of things, the attacks are viewed as sinister. It’s becoming clear that the devices were sabotaged through a chain of shell companies and the planning was at an advanced stage by 2022, long before the 7/10 atrocities. The International Community feels deeply uncomfortable about the nature of the attack- the explosions were designed to maim deliberately, like dumdum bullets, not to render the target hors de combat.
Israel has effectively declared that it’s ok to deliberately blind and blow off hands on a mass basis, to target families and carry out group punishment. Protected by the Iron Dome, those living in Israel will be fine, delighted to see Hezbolleh getting a come uppance, but I think the security threat outside of Israel will be significantly greater.

Do you seriously think Hamas and Hezbollah are willing to take place in "secret talks" to lead to peace? Seriously? In what universe is that going to happen?

Neither Hamas nor Hezbollah want peace. They want to destroy Israel . That is their raison d'etre.

I agree with you @mids2019. The press and social media control the discourse and shape opinion. They have completely the wrong view.

Those blindly following Hamas' stated death toll figures are naive.
Hamas has stolen billions of aid money to build terrorist infrastructure beneath and among its own populace. Its stated aim is the destruction of Israel and all Jews. The infrastructure cannot be allowed to remain.

Of course the loss of innocent life is tragic but many have an idealised view of war (no civilian death at all) which is just not possible. So, in that context, the IDF gives Gazan civilians notice of its intention to destroy Hamas sites so they can move. Some choose not to (I understand in some places there are very few buildings left because Hamas has built tunnels under so many of them but other places in Gaza there are buildings), and some can't because Hamas stops them from do so. Gazans need better leaders. That is not Israel's responsibility. Would we have provided aid to Nazis germany during WW2? No. And there was no expectation of us doing so. There is for Israel.

No other Middle Eastern country wants the Gazans, are opening their borders, giving aid. Just Israel is supposed be kind to its enemy. Well bollocks to that. If the world pressured the Hamas terrorists to quickly cede power to an organisation that wanted a 2 state solution, that didn't take hostages, that didn't constantly fire rockets, that didn't steal our money for its leaders to live in Qatar in luxury, that didn't use its people as human shields, etc the region and whole world would be a better, safer place.

It's topsy turvy all right.

So I think the attack on TERRORISTS (who look like civilians as they don't wear T-shirts saying 'I'm a terrorist') with some collateral damage (as unfortunate as it is), and interrupting their communication capabilities and identifying exactly who they are and taking out some fighting men was an audacious and effective way to try and stop those terrorists from attacking my country, as they have been bombing it for the last 11 months.

Yeah this Israeli government, currently ethnically cleansing the West Bank, never mind Gaza, really wants peace 🙄

Are you really telling me Israel’s government and idf wants peace ? Those that keep killing people “by mistake”? those committing war crimes?

It is possible to disapprove of Netanyahu and also see Hamas and Hezbollah for the murderous slimeballs that they are.

I am telling you that Hamas and Hezbollah actively want war. Are you disagreeing with that?

It would largely be ignored by mainstream media as in 'they brought in on themselves'.

The only people who are starving the civilian population in Gaza are Hamas who charge astronomic sums for food on the black market. This is unreported by the British press. https://www.france24.com/en/video/20240316-gazans-face-exorbitant-prices-for-smuggled-aid-on-black-market

Though maybe it would be fairer to say that Hamas and Hezbollah want violent conflict rather than open war? Given their chosen modus of operandi, civilian shields, etc?

Hezbollah, for example, could just decide to stop attacking Israel, which it has no reason to do. No need even for much discussion there.

It really wouldn't. If a school or a hospital or a convoy of aid workers were hit in Israel it would be front page news. When was the last time you saw a school in Gaza being hit as front page news? It's just an addendum now, another school hit 20 people killed including 7 children. No photos of the poor children killed, no names, no acknowledgement of their families and how precious their children were to them. I bet you can name more Israeli victims of this conflict than you can Palestinian which given the huge disparity in death tolls is kind of crazy.

'They brought it upon themselves' is actually a quote from an Israeli politician Meirav Ben-Ari who was talking about the deaths of Palestinian children. I have never heard it said in relation to Israelis and find it quite unnerving that you would try and twist such malicious words in that way.