Pagers and walkie talkies .....audacious and successful strike against terrorists

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If a large number of members of Al Quaeda or ISIS were killed with a precise attack I think in the West there would be admiration and indeed satisfaction that such a military success had occurred.

However I am disturbed by the reporting of the targeted neutralization of terrorists within Lebanon with even the main stream press virtually describing those struck as civilians and questioning the legality and morality of this! Have we lost our moral compassess?

There were some unfortunate civil an deaths but given the scale of the strike this was a terrible inevitability. However the civil an to combatant rratio was very small in reality as the explosions were kinky d to a personal zone. Yet when we read the press we allow terrorist propaganda calling the events a massacre of even that trumped up word 'genocide' that people seem to love.

If Osama bin Laden had been brought to a local hospital would we have allowed weeping doctors to lament his injuries? Thought not.

It’s a mistake that shouldn’t have happened and that we will investigate.

by those that make loads of mistakes also known as IDF.

Coco1379 Israel is not a terrorist state. It is a democracy unlike most other middle eastern countries. HTH.

I wonder how long it will take them to get around to 'investigating' it? Given that 69% of Palestinian children placed in military detention by Israel report being the victims of sexual violence and abuse I'd imagine they have quite the back log of 'mistakes' to get through.

It's a good job that Israel has such a peace loving ideology or who knows what might happen to children in their care, perhaps children might be kept in cages like animals, oh wait that happened already. Maybe most Palestinian children in their care would report appalling physical and emotional abuse, with 86% being physically beaten, oh wait...it's probably all just a big mistake though, definitely not a systemic problem arising from years of brutal occupation and dehumanisation.

On a wholly unrelated note why do we think Palestinian children grow up disliking Israel?

Yeah that’s really difficult to understand.
I grew up in leafy Surrey which is quite near France so have quiet a good understanding about neighbourly conflicts, but I try to get on with the French and si do eat French cheese sometimes too.

Terrorists set out to purposely kill, as at the kibbutz or festival

Or by attacking a playground, school, maternity hospital or general hospital. Or shooting people when they rush to get to the aid trucks. Or denying the people essential clean water, food, medical aid or vaccines. Or shunting people into ghettoes having expelled them from their homes and then bombing the area. That is terrorism. Mass murder. Indiscriminate slaying.
Never can this be justified. Never.

in this instance Israel were not the aggressors

seriously? How can you ignore the daily attacks on Palestinian civilians in their homes by settlers? How can you ignore the stealing of their land to put yet more setters on? You cannot pretend the Israeli Government had the population living peacefully until the festival attack?
One life is not more important than another here.

So now we see from the BBC that these pager attacks were planned from 2018, long before the 7/10 attacks were carried out.
The BBC says that family members would often not be aware that the person with the pager was in Hezbolleh. Visitors to those injured were tracked to guide the strikes that followed

Do you have a link?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0e1wpr0q44o

It doesn't say that in the BBC story? So where does it say pager attacks were planned from 2018?

The BBC story says nothing of the sort.

It has attempted to track where the pagers and walkie talkies came from and speculates on what might have happened.

They also suggest "Citing US officials, the New York Times said that the pagers received messages that appeared to be coming from Hezbollah's leadership before detonating. The messages instead appeared to trigger the devices, the outlet reported." So the person owning the pagers thought a message from hezbollah leadership was coming through 🤔 then looked at the message detonating the device.

I don't know if the PP might have a different source or report - I was just sharing a different link for information.

Ah thanks. The other pp shared a claim without link and your link came straight afterwards, also the BBC.

Hopefully other poster will share link for that claim then

Interestingly, I've googled your claim both with and without BBC included and cannot find any suggestion anywhere that these attacks were planned before 7th October.

That's a pretty strong claim to make. Care to share the link or where you think you saw this?

I’m puzzled as well. It was “the briefing bbc ” by David Aaronovitch 23 hours ago- the page was still open on my phone or I wouldn’t have found it, again. It seems to rely on the Economist’s defence editor’s sources.
Algorithms are so strange
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5y8gv1d8j8o

What a goady post. Another Israeli apologist. Both side are terrorists.

This is in your link as you mentioned above about 2018

In 2018, Bergman says, a young intelligence officer found out that Hezbollah had started using pagers and came up with the idea of Mossad infiltrating their supply chain. Some 4,500 booby-trapped devices were then supplied to Hezbollah, Bergman adds.

Thanks for the link. Interesting with lots of speculation which occurs when they really aren't sure. Apparently the capability has always been there but not used.

You don't know that, it could very well be in motion well before October the 7th. A sophisticated supply chain terror attack like that wouldn't have been planned and executed in such a short time.

Ronen Bergman, an Israeli investigative journalist with the New York Times. He makes the claim that a young intelligence operative thought it was a good idea so believes they did it.

Don't know what?

I imagine with a lifetime of terrorist attacks they may have thought up other ways to track and follow. I'd want to track the enemies that would have me killed. They must have had intelligence that hezbollah were still using them and again speculation that they had been discovered assuming it was Mossad of course.

The New York Times has good investigative journalists but one of the other sources was the defence editor of the Economist, so well informed speculation if not proof. On the other hand, there’s something a bit off key-the top brass in the IDF didn’t want a war on two fronts but Netanyahu did. The main outcome is an escalation of the war -Hezbolleh haven’t gone away and are just firing bigger rockets further into Israel.None has ever said Netanyahu is stupid.

One way or the other, I think that an interfering with a supply chain of this type would have quite a long lead in so the timescale makes sense, regardless of who thought.of it first or who authorised it officially.

On Oct 7 Hamas/Palestinuans massacred and vicious rapes were committed, but no rapes were found on body cams.

So you don't dispute rapes and massacres happened, just that the rapes weren't found on bodycams? Even though not all footage has been released?

news.sky.com/story/hamas-gunmen-killed-israeli-grandmother-and-posted-video-of-body-on-her-own-facebook-page-12999965

This was definitely filmed. Effort was then taken to further anguish her loved ones by publicising her brutal death to her own Facebook page.

The limited viewers( who had to agree to making no copies) of
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bearing_Witness_(2023_film)
were shown unreleased footage. The 3 minute video of the army base hostage taking is taken from longer filming that the families didn't want made public.

Survivors from the music festival massacre literally heard a woman screaming she was being raped before she was murdered. There were eyewitnesses to women being raped and murdered there. I've not seen any videos of these happening but I definitely believe they occured.

None of these many acts, occurring in multiple places, were acts of desperation.

How does the fact no bodycams were found featuring rape make YoYoYoYo12345's point irrelevant?

At the end of the day there are fewer terrorists with the ability to fire rockets at Israel which is a good thing. There is a biblical quite 'an eye for an eye' and given the pager injuries seems rather apt.