Pagers and walkie talkies .....audacious and successful strike against terrorists

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If a large number of members of Al Quaeda or ISIS were killed with a precise attack I think in the West there would be admiration and indeed satisfaction that such a military success had occurred.

However I am disturbed by the reporting of the targeted neutralization of terrorists within Lebanon with even the main stream press virtually describing those struck as civilians and questioning the legality and morality of this! Have we lost our moral compassess?

There were some unfortunate civil an deaths but given the scale of the strike this was a terrible inevitability. However the civil an to combatant rratio was very small in reality as the explosions were kinky d to a personal zone. Yet when we read the press we allow terrorist propaganda calling the events a massacre of even that trumped up word 'genocide' that people seem to love.

If Osama bin Laden had been brought to a local hospital would we have allowed weeping doctors to lament his injuries? Thought not.

I think you're misunderstanding what's being said and reported.

The media reports are referencing air strikes carried out by the IDF, which the IDF state have been carried out by them. When people are saying a building or location was struck with a bomb/missile/whatever word they want to use, they aren't referring to whatever might or might not have been in or under a building - they're referring to the bomb/missile/whatever was used by the IDF to hit the building.

What is generally reported goes along the lines of "An air strike was carried out in this location and hit this building. The IDF state they carried out the strike and the reason was this. The IDF report this many enemy combatants were neutralised. Local reports say this many people were killed/injured and this many were children."

You seriously think the UN is a puppet of a relatively minor (in global terms) proscribed terrorist group that is in itself largely recognised to be a puppet of/dependent upon a country that is generally ostracised by the majority of members of the UN...?

They’ve also asked Israel to end occupation in Palestine.

true. They’re useless enforcing their ruling

It was an independent commission established by the UN human rights council and they accused BOTH Israel and Hamas of war crimes.

The ICC has applied for arrest warrants for both Israeli and Hamas leaders.

I also agree that the UN is impotent at enforcing anything. Puppets of Hamas they are not.

Is there a situation where they have had an important impact?

I certainly we don't want up in a situation Israel - the bad guy and Hama/Hizbollah - the oppressed resistance good guys. This is certainly not the truth. As has been pointed out on many many threads this is a complex situation and coming up to the anniversary of October the 7th we can't forget this.

I feel that war is a from thing indeed but we must report fairly and understand it is in both Hamas and Hizbollah's interests to emphasise civilian casualties as propaganda. For example 10 senior Hizbollah commanders were wiped out by Israeli jets and yet the Lebanese were slow to admit the group were in the building her extremely quick to claim civilian cashalties. The aim of this propaganda is to add to a narrative of Israel engaging in uninhibited killing sprees which is not the case.

The same kind of reporting is engaged by Hamas who never identify his many Hamas fighters are killed when there is an Israeli strike only civilian deaths. All those deaths can't be civilian as we know there are thousands of Hamas fighters operating in Gaza. Again we have a Hama narrative that the Israelis are simply laying waste to a civil an populace and there aren't pitched battles occuring in the strip as they find the genocide narrative has a very powerful effect on international reporting which helps the international mood turn against Israel to their advanatge. Who knows may be a Hamas strategy to push the civilian casualty rate so that there more political momentum to disarm Israel which would be disasterous.

Its literally terrorism and inexcusable

Your post is so ironic. You seem completely unaware of your own bias which seems to be a default position that no matter what sources we quote to you, it hamas propaganda. So must we
only believe what the Israeli government is telling us then? Is that not also propaganda?
I have seen no posts referring to Hamas and Hizbollah as freedom fighters so not sure where you are even getting this from.

The deaths of my friends and colleagues are not simply propaganda. It is disgusting that some people seek to disrespect the memory of innocent people by dismissing their deaths as such.

'Propaganda' did not tie up my friends and shoot them in the head. 'Propaganda' did not bomb the 'safe zone' in which my friend's family was seeking refuge and leave a toddler scarred for life. 'Propaganda' did not detain and torture my former colleagues. There are people who I don't know whether to hope that their bodies are unrecognisable in the mass graves or to hope that they were detained and haven't been released yet - I don't want them to be dead, but I also know that death may be preferable to what would have been done to them over months of detention and torture.

And Israel is a paragon of virtue who would never downplay civilian casualties or lie about 40 beheaded babies or anything

I wonder how many Hamas were on this bus full of children, now in shreds

x.com/eyeonpalestine/status/1837126846892175789?s=46&t=tm415yZZZz0e-dE263leqA

We have to remember that all those with pagers were Hizbollah fighters, the same fighters who quite happily would rain rockets down on Tel Aviv if ordered and would be happy doing so. I don't think many people are particularly weeping those injured when we know ultimately these were terrorists. Hezbollah is a proscribed terrorist organisation and therefore it follows its combatants are terroists.

How do we get to a place where striking against a terrorist hate filled organisation is somehow described as terrorism itself? Have we gone mad or are we talking for a narrative that Islamist terrorists want to push. The reporting of the pagers strikes was poor in my opinion by deceiving those killed and injured as 'people'; they weren't just people they were carrying the pagers because they belonged to Hizbollah!!

The same reporting occurs in Gaza where Israeli strikes kill 'people' but no one admits (apart from Israel) that Hamas fighters make up a significant proportion of those dead.

I'll tell you What is terrorism though. Google October 7th. Pretty much defined the word.

I am so sorry. I also have friends in Gaza who I have not heard from for many months. We stayed in touch for a while with one friend who lived close to the border of Israel and could get some
mobile reception. It’s desperate😨

No one is disputing that was terrorism though, are they?

Tbf I have seen it disputed. Even on here. Luckily MNHQ are hot on the ramifications of some posts

Israel has gone rogue.
Genocide in Palestine.
Attacking Iran and Lebanon.
Equivalent to a nasty bully picking on the weak. Then crying victim when someone retaliates.

Israel has lost the Media campaign.

The world knows what it’s doing.

How do we get to a place where striking against a terrorist hate filled organisation is somehow described as terrorism itself?

Because the end does not always justify the means.

That’s great that MNHQ steps in if that’s the case.
Shame the denial of killings and abuse Israel is committing is perfectly ok then!

It has lost the media campaign. You're right there. Everything else you have said in this post is completely inaccurate. Iran is funding terror against Israel and Israel is at war against terrorists. We should be supporting them. If Israel is wiped out Iran will then turn its attention to the West. What do you think is motivating it?

The world isn't one view btw

And what do you want to happen to Israel?

Can you see its neighbours allowing it to exist even without the current escalation post October 7th?

The same kind of reporting is engaged by Hamas who never identify his many Hamas fighters are killed when there is an Israeli strike only civilian deaths. All those deaths can't be civilian as we know there are thousands of Hamas fighters operating in Gaza.

So if the Israeli government feel this is the case why don't they let any independent observers and reporters in?
Think I know the answer to that though

Op I agree with you in the main - this was very smart thinking - taking out most of your enemies without the terrible loss of innocent life as in Gaza and yes Israel too. And instilling the fear of what’s next in the terrorists heads. My sympathies lie with all the civilians in all countries in this conflict. I lay the blame and reserve my anger for the patriarchal dick waving male leaders on all sides of the conflict.

it does worry me slightly though that now this idea is out in the open people like Putin and other dictators/billionaires etc may get power crazed idea

Please, watch the video in the link above. Please, tell me which of those dead children were terrorists.

Those children are loved. Just like mine. Just like yours.

Why do those children, and mine, matter less? Is it the colour of their skin, the faith they've been born into, their nationality? What?

What is it about those children that means they can be killed in violations of international law with no consequences for the people responsible?

Horrific 💔

Oh, and not everyone holding a pager was a Hezbollah fighter. Not everyone next to one was. Nor was everyone who was affected by the resulting car crashes, fires, etc.

When the pagers detonated, people were going about their daily lives, and they didn't just all fall down by themselves without causing any ill effects around them.

The problem with booby traps like this is that there's no actual control over where they detonate and who is hurt. It's possible to predict some likely scenarios, but not sufficiently to mean it isn't a breach of international law to use this sort of attack. This was terrorism.