The Lancet publish article estimating 186,000 death toll in Gaza

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The Lancet has just published this article "conservatively" estimating that the death toll in the Gaza genocide could be 186,000 people or more. That's 8% of the population, obliterated.

www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(24)01169-3/fulltext

Melanie Phillips on QT and the stocked markets she'd "seen on YouTube" springs to mind.

Is this some sort of sick joke?

I don’t think the title is inflammatory. The title matches what lancet has said : they estimate 186k die in Gaza.

@Lolapusht 🫣

It's really worrying how some people actually believe this.

No it doesn't !

It suggests 186000 HAVE died already. Obviously that is wrong

Otherwise it would say final estimated toll or similar

Not so - it clearly says 'estimating' in the thread title

Anyway

I don't think the title is inflammatory, but I think it's accidentally both inaccurate and misleading. Not deliberately so.

The Lancet publish article - inaccurate, in that it's a letter not an article and whilst the difference may not be appreciated/understood by the OP it is important.

estimating 186,000 death toll in Gaza - misleading, as it implies an actual and current death toll which is neither the content or intent of the authors of the letter.

100% of the Jewish population wasn´t wiped out, it was still genocide.

One, Ten, a hundred, a thousand, ten thousand, a hundred thousand or more is too many to have slaughtered. The shame of these acts will be felt for generations and nobody worldwide will forget what has been done. There is no justifying this.

@TomeTome well said

I would presume based on the detailed descriptions of the market that the op has visited these .I hope they come back to give more information on what life is like in Gaza at the moment as this would be very interesting.

https://x.com/imshin/status/1810208279898862004?s=46&t=OcT4uVFDgKzZK5bQN0DMLw]]

https://x.com/imshin/status/1810153988056027296?s=46&t=OcT4uVFDgKzZK5bQN0DMLw]]

https://x.com/imshin/status/1809844358461390947?s=46&t=OcT4uVFDgKzZK5bQN0DMLw]]

It would indeed..

Unsure of the relevance of these as I used the word "visited" instead of "has watched twitter videos".

Ah, ok.

So we’re only allowed to comment on Gaza if we’ve visited and aren’t permitted to use any form of digital media to inform opinions.

Got it.

And those “Twitter videos” you scoff at are posted by Gazans. Imshin reposts their videos along with time stamps etc to verify when they were created.

She’s been doing so since 2018 after she started to notice inconsistencies between the accepted narrative and what Gazans themselves were actually saying.

Yes there is a clear sense of desacrediting many of the information that is provided.
1 if it’s from a twitter link then it’s because they’re not experts

1. If you provide links from experts then they’re antisimetic or they’ve not been there.

it’s interesting how this doesn’t apply to many of the threads some people open , and their titles are perfect and not inflammatory at all even if they’re picturing a part of the society as terrorists and/or vandals

on my opinion there is a part of the society that rejects what is happening in Palestine in general and want the rest of us to do it as well. Not happening

Well the solution surely is to let Palestinians speak to the world.

That's what you got from my comment?????

Nothing could be further from the truth but perhaps not framing a second hand opinion as a lived experience and fact may be helpful here.

Maybe what would be helpful is focusing on the horrific death toll rather than quibbling.

I’ve always assumed the Hamas estimate was very much an underestimate. The IDF have killed so many journalists on the ground it’s hard to get a clear picture. However the destruction of infrastructure, including hospitals , water sanitation etc is bound to lead to so many deaths. Gaza was already a very vulnerable population anyway with so many people forced to live in such a small place under occupation. The full horrors of this situation will be revealed in time and Shame on anyone who defended the IDF and tried to minimise their actions.

Happy to state the article is “Correspondence”. Not intentionally misleading by me - The Lancet call contributions “Articles” throughout their website.

A note on the authors.

MM - Martin McKee
Department of Public Health and Policy, London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine, London, UK

RK - Rasha Khatib
Advocate Aurora Research Institute, Milwaukee, WI 53233, USA
Institute of Community and Public Health, Birzeit University, Birzeit, Palestine

SY - Salim Yusuf
The Population Health Research Institute, McMaster University and Hamilton Health Sciences, Hamilton, ON, Canada

MM is a member of the editorial board of the Israel Journal of Health Policy Research and of the International Advisory Committee of the Israel National Institute for Health Policy Research. MM was co-chair of the Institute's 2016 6th International Jerusalem Conference on Health Policy, but writes in a personal capacity. He also collaborates with researchers in Israel, Palestine, and Lebanon. RK and SY declare no competing interests. The authors would like to acknowledge study team members Shofiqul Islam and Safa Noreen for their contribution to collecting and managing the data for this Correspondence.

Agree and apologies for derailing.

Interview to American doctor

As many amputees as there are from trauma, there are amputees from diabetes uncontrolled, because they’re not allowing insulin to be brought in” “ The total death toll is a severe undercount. It’s 5, 6 times the number because people are dying from treatable injuries … lack of medical supplies”

https://x.com/brokenmirror33/status/1809974437380301150