The Lancet publish article estimating 186,000 death toll in Gaza

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The Lancet has just published this article "conservatively" estimating that the death toll in the Gaza genocide could be 186,000 people or more. That's 8% of the population, obliterated.

www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(24)01169-3/fulltext

Succinct summary there @DownNative and this thread really is a much ado about nothing that the great Bard himself would have been proud of scripting.

this thread really is a much ado about nothing

In your opinion.
Many of us however do not lightly dismiss as nothing what these contributors are estimating and are very concerned about the death toll and suffering they are warning about. If you feel it is nothing move on and let those that would like to discuss the article to it.

I really do not dismiss the tragic unfolding of events in Gaza as "nothing" however, I will contest grossly misleading thread titles and links that do not stand up to scrutiny in any way whatsoever - especially proclaiming close to 200k perishing in this conflict. That is not acceptable.

My link to the JC - here again - discusses the article with ideas with which I concur strongly.

https://www.thejc.com/news/israel/did-the-lancet-really-estimate-the-gaza-death-toll-at-186-000-tp50gw2f

The fact that you would call a thread about 1000s of Palestinian deaths 'much ado about nothing' is really shocking. A little bit of respect for the enormous loss of life shouldn't be too much to ask for.

Have you nothing to say about deaths due to traumatic injury, complications, unexploded bombs, lack of medication, malnutrition, infectious disease, poor sanitation, maternal/neonatal/stillbirth...

And there is, sadly, the reality of how many people view Palestinian lives and how many people view the lives of populations they don't like or see as being too 'other'. The lives of innocent people are considered to lack value because of their ethnicity, faith or passport. And so war continues.

I have said that I am shocked at the deaths of innocents and the events unfolding in Gaza. However, I will not comment further on this thread as it is apparently about 186000 dead in Gaza already. I am here to contest that as I have said.

I would attempt to discuss on other threads but do not wish to at this time. I will not elaborate upon my reasons.

will contest grossly misleading thread titles and links that do not stand up to scrutiny in any way whatsoever

If it wasn’t from the fact that there are several other threads (some of which you’re the op) where the title does not stand up to scrutiny then I’d trust you. However , I feel you’re trying to censor some information that it’s been provided because you’re not happy with the image it’s portraying of IDF and the Israeli government.

No, @EasterIssland I am not.

There is much to criticise from Netanyahu and the IDF and Govt.

@keenforhelp
"No point in discussing it as it is not real."

So why are you on this thread discussing it then? If there was no point, there'd be no need to comment.

I have answered that many times. I am off for a while but will be back later.

I really don't think it is. You yourself are posting a link to what appears to be an opinion piece, nothing more than speculative fiction. You seem to think that that is 'worth' something, you have posted it twice now. Why are you not dismissive of the opinion piece you keep posting, why are you giving that opinion piece any weight at all? You are clearly grossly biased and very dismissive of the very real loss of 10s of 1000s of lives.

Other reports from Action on Armed Violence

US has sent Israel 14,000 two-thousand-pound bombs since October
According to Reuters, since October 7, the U.S. has sent over 14,000 2,000-pound bombs, 6,500 500-pound bombs, 3,000 Hellfire missiles, 1,000 bunker-buster bombs, and 2,600 small-diameter bombs, among other munitions.

https://aoav.org.uk/2024/us-has-sent-israel-14000-two-thousand-pound-bombs-since-october/

Occupied Palestinian Territories: AOAV explosive violence data on harm to civilians
In the Occupied Palestinian Territories, AOAV showed that English-language media underreports the numbers of casualties caused by incidents of explosive weapons use, capturing only a third of the actual civilian deaths from specific explosive incidents in Gaza.

https://aoav.org.uk/2024/opt-casualty-monitor/

Gaza’s invisible massacre: aid workers killed in record numbers
The vast majority of humanitarians killed are national staff, but as in most conflicts, little is heard about them.

https://aoav.org.uk/2024/gazas-invisible-massacre-aid-workers-killed-in-record-numbers/

I wasn't aware that you had the recognised qualifications, rigorous scientific and empiric methods to be able to offer a balanced and proven counter argument to "these vastly misleading ideas" from the Lancet.
I am all ears.

Right well I have my points - there is nothing further to be said. I did want to stay and debate but believe that would not be a good idea now.

Have a good evening everyone.

The Republic of Ireland newspaper, The Journal, has issued a correction on its article relating to this from earlier today. 👇

Probably it’s for those that misunderstood what the lancet was saying. Many of us understood this was a prediction that could happen as a worse case scenario as a result of Israel’s actions in Gaza. And in order to minimise them it would be good to stop the current restrictions and killings in Gaza. Let’s be clear 186k is an awful number. But so is 100k and so is 40k. No innocent civilian should have been killed directly or indirectly as a result of getting rid of hamas.

Of course, nothing at all to do with The Journal's incorrect reporting of the letter to The Lancet....oh no, definitely not(!)

Always someone else's fault. 🤦‍♂️

It suggests a problem with both media articles and the letter itself....

Glad to see they've corrected it. I haven't seen their initial report, but it is important to strive for accuracy in reporting and from the look of the correction notice you've shared, it looks like they weren't accurate in their reporting.

How is it lancets fault that a newspaper didn’t understand their correspondence and if so they didn’t report it properly to their readers? Agree always someone else’s fault.

Who said it was The Lancet's fault?

Remember, the letter isn't from Lancet themselves.....🙈

And that's without mentioning the letter writers themselves boobed in their list of sources too. 😉

Let's hope Hamas release the hostages & agree to a ceasefire ASAP for the sake of the Palestinian people & for peace.

I thought Hamas had agreed to multiple ceasefire but it was Israel who keeps rejecting them. If Israel cares about the numbers and debunking the 186k number then maybe they should provide more aid and stop for this aid to be provided to civilians. Something they said they’d do but I believe they haven’t done