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Conflict in the Middle East

Israeli army strapped wounded Palestinian to jeep

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pandasorous · 23/06/2024 07:24

just going to leave this here....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjqq5n8911do

if you have nothing compassionate to say, feel free to move on and not comment on this thread. feel sick to my stomach

Video showing Palestinian man strapped to front of jeep

Israeli army strapped wounded Palestinian to jeep

The Israeli military says the man was a suspect in a raid in the West Bank, but its forces violated protocol.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjqq5n8911do

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ForKookyPoet · 23/06/2024 18:02

AhNowTed · 23/06/2024 17:56

@Liv999

Bless you but you are wasting your time.

Some folks will deny the genocide in front of their eyes regardless.

Arguing about numbers, or anything for that matter, is entirely pointless.

Ah, those pesky facts that dismantle the hysteria. Anyone would think we were on a debating board.

Notaflippinclue · 23/06/2024 18:03

How do you bomb a tunnel full of armed terrorists under a hospital or school?

Liv999 · 23/06/2024 18:04

ForKookyPoet · 23/06/2024 17:54

Can you define genocide?

Can you show me where the IDF sent warnings to the people of Rafah before they blew them to bits? Or explain where the so called safe spaces are? I'm sure the people to Gaza would love to know

ConnieCounter · 23/06/2024 18:05

ForKookyPoet · 23/06/2024 18:02

Ah, those pesky facts that dismantle the hysteria. Anyone would think we were on a debating board.

Facts like that this event didn't happen in Gaza. So have you figured out why strapping an injured man to a jeep in the West Bank is OK? You didn't give an explanation.

SharonEllis · 23/06/2024 18:07

AhNowTed · 23/06/2024 17:21

@ForKookyPoet

Genocide, mass slaughter, indiscriminate killing. Same thing in my book.

They are not the same thing. Genocide has a legal meaning. Your 'book' is irrelevant.

Livelovebehappy · 23/06/2024 18:08

ConnieCounter · 23/06/2024 17:26

This didn't happen in Gaza.

I’m perfectly aware that this specific incident didn’t happen in Gaza, but posters were going off topic by generalising about the actions of Hamas and IDF, as what usually happens with these posts.

Liv999 · 23/06/2024 18:09

AhNowTed · 23/06/2024 17:56

@Liv999

Bless you but you are wasting your time.

Some folks will deny the genocide in front of their eyes regardless.

Arguing about numbers, or anything for that matter, is entirely pointless.

Yep

EasterIssland · 23/06/2024 18:10

Livelovebehappy · 23/06/2024 18:08

I’m perfectly aware that this specific incident didn’t happen in Gaza, but posters were going off topic by generalising about the actions of Hamas and IDF, as what usually happens with these posts.

The comment you replied to and for which @ConnieCounter and I have replied to you was clearly talking about this incident. Youre the one who has talked about Gaza and hamas and that well this is what happens when you attack another country.

edit. I want to add that this wouldn’t even be ok in Gaza for me. What happened in 7-10 doesn’t justify anything of what is happening in Gaza nowadays. 7-10 should have never happened. What has happened (before) and after 7-10 shouldn’t have happened either

ConnieCounter · 23/06/2024 18:13

Livelovebehappy · 23/06/2024 18:08

I’m perfectly aware that this specific incident didn’t happen in Gaza, but posters were going off topic by generalising about the actions of Hamas and IDF, as what usually happens with these posts.

No, we were discussing this exact incident and you were explaining why this one is OK but it would not be OK in England. But you confused Gaza and the West Bank.

So why is this incident OK? You never gave a proper explanation.

AhNowTed · 23/06/2024 18:23

@SharonEllis

"They are not the same thing. Genocide has a legal meaning. Your 'book' is irrelevant."

I am well aware of the legal meaning and its origins.

Israel is guilty of genocide, so I'm happy for my "book" to be redundant in this case.

ForKookyPoet · 23/06/2024 18:34

Liv999 · 23/06/2024 18:04

Can you show me where the IDF sent warnings to the people of Rafah before they blew them to bits? Or explain where the so called safe spaces are? I'm sure the people to Gaza would love to know

Really? Well I guess that the whole population of Gaza, not being anything other than a pile of ashes, might be evidence. Are there people still standing? I believe so. More hyperbole.

SharonEllis · 23/06/2024 18:34

AhNowTed · 23/06/2024 18:23

@SharonEllis

"They are not the same thing. Genocide has a legal meaning. Your 'book' is irrelevant."

I am well aware of the legal meaning and its origins.

Israel is guilty of genocide, so I'm happy for my "book" to be redundant in this case.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-middle-east-68906919

Then you are aware that it requires a court ruling. Your opinion is of no consequence

Joan Donoghue

Former ICJ head explains court’s ruling on Gaza genocide case

Joan Donoghue speaks to BBC Hardtalk about the case brought by South Africa to the ICJ over alleged violations of the Genocide Convention by Israel.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-middle-east-68906919

EasterIssland · 23/06/2024 18:38

ForKookyPoet · 23/06/2024 18:34

Really? Well I guess that the whole population of Gaza, not being anything other than a pile of ashes, might be evidence. Are there people still standing? I believe so. More hyperbole.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna148008

https://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/latest/urgent-need-ceasefire-israeli-forces-attack-safe-zones-rafah

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/12/21/middleeast/israel-strikes-evacuation-zones-gaza-intl-cmd

you can call it hyperbole. I call it : IDF striked and killed on designated safe zones

ForKookyPoet · 23/06/2024 18:42

Military strategy BUT not genocidal intentions.

EasterIssland · 23/06/2024 18:50

ForKookyPoet · 23/06/2024 18:42

Military strategy BUT not genocidal intentions.

whatever. Won’t bother anymore. There are posters that don’t deserve my time.

ForKookyPoet · 23/06/2024 18:54

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AhNowTed · 23/06/2024 18:57

"Military strategy BUT not genocidal intentions"

The ICC and its panel, including Danny Friedman KC, a practicing Jew and
Ted Meron, legal adviser of Israel in 1967, and holocaust survivor, would disagree with you.

As do the many human rights and aid organisations in Israel, along with many Israeli scholars, vocal Orthodox Jews, and Israeli media.

But what do they know eh.

ForKookyPoet · 23/06/2024 19:01

AhNowTed · 23/06/2024 18:57

"Military strategy BUT not genocidal intentions"

The ICC and its panel, including Danny Friedman KC, a practicing Jew and
Ted Meron, legal adviser of Israel in 1967, and holocaust survivor, would disagree with you.

As do the many human rights and aid organisations in Israel, along with many Israeli scholars, vocal Orthodox Jews, and Israeli media.

But what do they know eh.

They are voicing their opinions, amongst a range of others. I have no problem with that.

Liv999 · 23/06/2024 19:16

ForKookyPoet · 23/06/2024 18:34

Really? Well I guess that the whole population of Gaza, not being anything other than a pile of ashes, might be evidence. Are there people still standing? I believe so. More hyperbole.

So you don't actually know where the safe spaces in Gaza are? Do you know how many warnings the IDF gave before they bombed? That's what I asked, but I mean so long as there's people still standing in Gaza that's all OK, I mean Hamas only murdered 364 people at the festival in Israel, plenty more standing there too, don't know what the fuss is about...

1dayatatime · 23/06/2024 19:25

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ForKookyPoet · 23/06/2024 19:36

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In a nutshell.

ForKookyPoet · 23/06/2024 19:41

Liv999 · 23/06/2024 19:16

So you don't actually know where the safe spaces in Gaza are? Do you know how many warnings the IDF gave before they bombed? That's what I asked, but I mean so long as there's people still standing in Gaza that's all OK, I mean Hamas only murdered 364 people at the festival in Israel, plenty more standing there too, don't know what the fuss is about...

Where do you get that figure from? Oh, so you're saying the Nova festival massacre is separate to the other barbarism on the 7th October? Just a shame the barbarians didn't think to issue any warnings before THEY attacked.

Liv999 · 23/06/2024 20:52

ForKookyPoet · 23/06/2024 19:41

Where do you get that figure from? Oh, so you're saying the Nova festival massacre is separate to the other barbarism on the 7th October? Just a shame the barbarians didn't think to issue any warnings before THEY attacked.

Thats how many people were murdered, surely you know that? They didn't issue a warning because they're terrorists, same reason the IDF don't issue warnings, no difference, except Israel are commiting genocide

ForKookyPoet · 23/06/2024 21:11

Liv999 · 23/06/2024 20:52

Thats how many people were murdered, surely you know that? They didn't issue a warning because they're terrorists, same reason the IDF don't issue warnings, no difference, except Israel are commiting genocide

Except Israel are not terrorists.

Liv999 · 23/06/2024 21:22

ForKookyPoet · 23/06/2024 21:11

Except Israel are not terrorists.

They very much are

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