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Conflict in the Middle East

Tel Aviv under attack from at least eight rockets fired from Rafah in Gaza

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keenforhelp · 27/05/2024 20:54

Hamas's military wing claimed responsibility for the attack on Sunday, according to Press Association.

What happened after by Israeli airstrikes was truly terrible - a real tragedy.

But why are Hamas still firing rockets deliberately at a residential city with no combatants.
As long as Hamas are in power rockets will never stop. Plus all the Aid Britain and America are giving just goes straight to Hamas. They started the war haven’t released the hostages and have no intention of surrendering.
The UN orders Israel to stop fighting.
But Hamas are free to continue their attacks.
Makes sense to someone I guess...........

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13461325/Tel-Aviv-attack-eight-rockets-fired-Rafah-Gaza.html

Tel Aviv under attack from rockets fired from Rafah in Gaza

Tel Aviv has come under attack with at least eight rockets fired towards central Israel on Sunday originating from Gaza 's far-southern city of Rafah, the Israeli military has confirmed.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13461325/Tel-Aviv-attack-eight-rockets-fired-Rafah-Gaza.html

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DownNative · 30/05/2024 15:17

freethem · 30/05/2024 14:22

Spy? What are you on about?
Posters on here are more than capable of analysing posts and figuring how others post.

Playing the innocent doesn't suit you, especially since my words you used was only posted in ONE place.

Hint: not CITME.

Look again and you'll find Mumsnet has deleted your post. Ad Hominem attacks are not permitted and reflect badly on you.

@Efacsen, not a bizarre "accusation" at all, but a factual statement. Thankfully, no need to waste any more time on that!

Efacsen · 30/05/2024 15:21

DownNative · 30/05/2024 15:17

Playing the innocent doesn't suit you, especially since my words you used was only posted in ONE place.

Hint: not CITME.

Look again and you'll find Mumsnet has deleted your post. Ad Hominem attacks are not permitted and reflect badly on you.

@Efacsen, not a bizarre "accusation" at all, but a factual statement. Thankfully, no need to waste any more time on that!

That's your opinion

My opinion however is that it's bizarre accusation

DownNative · 30/05/2024 15:26

Efacsen · 30/05/2024 15:21

That's your opinion

My opinion however is that it's bizarre accusation

Not so when the words I used was only posted in one specific place. Indeed, the same individual some months ago admitted to doing precisely what I said.

What you do or don't believe is irrelevant.

Besides, this is simply part of the deflection intended to bury the distinctions between hostages and prisoners I was challenging.

Efacsen · 30/05/2024 15:31

DownNative · 30/05/2024 15:26

Not so when the words I used was only posted in one specific place. Indeed, the same individual some months ago admitted to doing precisely what I said.

What you do or don't believe is irrelevant.

Besides, this is simply part of the deflection intended to bury the distinctions between hostages and prisoners I was challenging.

I usually ignore your tedious posts so think I'll just return to that

DownNative · 30/05/2024 15:37

Efacsen · 30/05/2024 15:31

I usually ignore your tedious posts so think I'll just return to that

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freethem · 30/05/2024 15:38

@DownNative "Not so when the words I used was only posted in one specific place. Indeed, the same individual some months ago admitted to doing precisely what I said."

I've admitted to nothing because I have NO idea what you are on about.
Reply or don't reply. I'm not really bothered. But just wanted to clear that up.

And as you like emojis here's a 👍🏽 for getting my post deleted.

I agree it’s better to just continue ignoring your posts now.

DownNative · 30/05/2024 15:47

freethem · 30/05/2024 15:38

@DownNative "Not so when the words I used was only posted in one specific place. Indeed, the same individual some months ago admitted to doing precisely what I said."

I've admitted to nothing because I have NO idea what you are on about.
Reply or don't reply. I'm not really bothered. But just wanted to clear that up.

And as you like emojis here's a 👍🏽 for getting my post deleted.

I agree it’s better to just continue ignoring your posts now.

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I'm afraid YOU got your own post deleted when you engaged in Ad Hominems which is against MN rules.

Cheerio......

Scirocco · 30/05/2024 17:19

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What on earth are you talking about? What a weird accusation to throw about.

keenforhelp · 30/05/2024 18:38

Scirocco · 30/05/2024 17:19

What on earth are you talking about? What a weird accusation to throw about.

@Scirocco It was not directed at you so why is it weird as you don't get the context.

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Scirocco · 30/05/2024 18:59

keenforhelp · 30/05/2024 18:38

@Scirocco It was not directed at you so why is it weird as you don't get the context.

It seems a strange personal attack to make against someone. A spy for whom? And why?

keenforhelp · 30/05/2024 19:00

Scirocco · 30/05/2024 18:59

It seems a strange personal attack to make against someone. A spy for whom? And why?

I am sure that that poster can fight his/her own battle.

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Scirocco · 30/05/2024 19:01

keenforhelp · 30/05/2024 19:00

I am sure that that poster can fight his/her own battle.

Other people have also expressed that they think it's strange. Why is there an issue with me saying it?

K0OLA1D · 30/05/2024 19:06

Scirocco · 30/05/2024 19:01

Other people have also expressed that they think it's strange. Why is there an issue with me saying it?

I didn't understand what was meant either.

HelenHen · 30/05/2024 19:12

DownNative · 30/05/2024 13:25

If I were you, I'd take a more considered, less emotional view of the situation at hand with reference to various bodies of law.

For clarity, law (domestic & International) is not the same thing as morality. Some degree of overlap exists, but fundamentally they're two different things.

Please try not to make a Strawman Argument. 👍

Is this Mumsnet or a court of law? We are not obligated to leave emotions out of the discussion. Why do you believe we can only debate legalities?

DownNative · 30/05/2024 20:37

keenforhelp · 30/05/2024 18:38

@Scirocco It was not directed at you so why is it weird as you don't get the context.

Correct - they didn't see the original.

But this is merely further deflection, so don't pay it any further attention. 👍

DownNative · 30/05/2024 20:46

Dulra · 30/05/2024 14:25

It's called friendly advice, Dulra.
Unsolicited though so comes across as patronising

Oh, is there absolutely no place for intellectual debate/discussion on war and conflict in Mumsnet's Conflict In The Middle East forum?!

Of course there is a space for intellectual debate but as a mumsnet discussion forum there is also space for emotion which you don't want and often criticise people for, that's why I queried why you aren't posting on a more academic platform

Actually, I didn't argue for absolutely zero emotion which you'll realise if you look back.

But I did advise on being more measured with emotions, especially when those emotions lead to ad hominem attacks and so on.

Rest assured Mumsnet is far from the only forum I debate issues around war and conflict. It really doesn't have to be an all or nothing thing, you know. 👍

Scirocco · 30/05/2024 20:47

DownNative · 30/05/2024 20:37

Correct - they didn't see the original.

But this is merely further deflection, so don't pay it any further attention. 👍

Deflection from what? It seems like a strange and unpleasant personal attack to make, and one which would be roundly condemned if made in some circumstances.

Scirocco · 30/05/2024 20:49

Also, on what basis are you saying I didn't "see the original", @DownNative ? The original what?

DownNative · 30/05/2024 20:50

Dulra · 30/05/2024 08:20

Is it a conflict in the West Bank though? These are civilians living there. These children imprisoned have then been in a conflict zone since birth. I fail to understand how those laws can apply indefinitely in the West Bank. It is just an excuse to treat Palestinians as they please.

The issue being challenged was youngones deliberate blurring of hostages and prisoners in order to wrongly create an equivalence between them.

Do you accept that a hostage and a prisoner are NOT the same things?

That the two should not be wrongly equated?

That's the issue being challenged.

Kindatired · 30/05/2024 21:02

So @DownNative , what are your feelings about internment in Northern Ireland?

NerdWhoEatsMedlar · 30/05/2024 21:28

Or indeed the difference between prisoners and administrative detainees. Which are not the same things and should not be wrongly equated.

TakeMe2Insanity · 30/05/2024 22:22

DownNative · 30/05/2024 20:50

The issue being challenged was youngones deliberate blurring of hostages and prisoners in order to wrongly create an equivalence between them.

Do you accept that a hostage and a prisoner are NOT the same things?

That the two should not be wrongly equated?

That's the issue being challenged.

No, the issue is that you think its perfectly acceptable for Palestinians to have their children snatched from their beds and then sent to trial in closed military courts and then to prison and then tortured while there.

DownNative · 30/05/2024 22:28

TakeMe2Insanity · 30/05/2024 22:22

No, the issue is that you think its perfectly acceptable for Palestinians to have their children snatched from their beds and then sent to trial in closed military courts and then to prison and then tortured while there.

season 5 episode 3 GIF by BBC Three

Definitely isn't what I actually said.

But I do note you've no problem with the wrongful conflation of Israeli Hostages who committed no crimes nor were accused of any with Palestinian prisoners (convicted criminals & members of terrorist groups amongst them) in the deals of November 2023.

Cheerio....

Scirocco · 30/05/2024 22:44

http://www.btselem.org/statistics/detainees_and_prisoners

Statistics pre-October 2023, of Palestinians in Israeli prisons. Note the numbers of 'administrative detainees'.

This article gives some examples of how justice systems treat Palestinian civilians and Israeli civilians differently, including different levels of protection for children and different thresholds for consideration of offences being committed (eg how many people can gather in a place). https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/11/29/why-does-israel-have-so-many-palestinians-detention-and-available-swap

Demonstrators gather during a rally in support of Palestinian prisoners on hunger strike in Israeli jails, in the West Bank city of Ramallah April 17, 2017.

Why Does Israel Have So Many Palestinians in Detention and Available to Swap?

While many have rightly hailed the release of civilians held hostage by Hamas after the killings of hundreds of Israelis and other civilians on October 7 — hostage-taking is a war crime — less attention has been focused on why exactly Israel has so man...

https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/11/29/why-does-israel-have-so-many-palestinians-detention-and-available-swap

TakeMe2Insanity · 30/05/2024 22:46

DownNative · 30/05/2024 22:28

Definitely isn't what I actually said.

But I do note you've no problem with the wrongful conflation of Israeli Hostages who committed no crimes nor were accused of any with Palestinian prisoners (convicted criminals & members of terrorist groups amongst them) in the deals of November 2023.

Cheerio....

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