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Tel Aviv under attack from at least eight rockets fired from Rafah in Gaza

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keenforhelp · 27/05/2024 20:54

Hamas's military wing claimed responsibility for the attack on Sunday, according to Press Association.

What happened after by Israeli airstrikes was truly terrible - a real tragedy.

But why are Hamas still firing rockets deliberately at a residential city with no combatants.
As long as Hamas are in power rockets will never stop. Plus all the Aid Britain and America are giving just goes straight to Hamas. They started the war haven’t released the hostages and have no intention of surrendering.
The UN orders Israel to stop fighting.
But Hamas are free to continue their attacks.
Makes sense to someone I guess...........

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13461325/Tel-Aviv-attack-eight-rockets-fired-Rafah-Gaza.html

Tel Aviv under attack from rockets fired from Rafah in Gaza

Tel Aviv has come under attack with at least eight rockets fired towards central Israel on Sunday originating from Gaza 's far-southern city of Rafah, the Israeli military has confirmed.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13461325/Tel-Aviv-attack-eight-rockets-fired-Rafah-Gaza.html

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ScrollingLeaves · 14/06/2024 14:27

Vittuunterroristit · 14/06/2024 13:49

Which of these reports said no sexual violence happened?

None.

They all made it clear that sexual abuse and rape occurred, though it has been very difficult to gather evidence because of how bodies were not initially
recovered by trained experts in pathology and the dead cannot speak easily without this.

The last one in the Times, importantly, included the grave warning of the very possible rape and sexual abuse of the young female hostages still held by Hamas and emphasises the importance of getting them out.

They did point, however, how some alleged instances of particular atrocities, about which the news spread exponentially, never happened.

They also said that no evidence had been found/shown by Israel to prove, as Israel had alleged, that Hamas gave out a written order ( which Israel had seen) for all those involved Oct 7 to rape systematically. Neither the written orders, or testimonies from female survivors, are there to show systematic mass rape. And, some assumed rapes, based on the untrained assumptions and understanding of the first responding, religious body gatherers, had been later found to have been mistaken.

Reports also pointed out that some of the refuted incidences of atrocity and rape, nevertheless became Israel’s propaganda cornerstone, while, while at the same time Israel had denied real, legally significant investigations into the sexual abuse and rape of Israeli women at the hands of Hamas (thereby letting them, their own, down badly); and denied investigation into the credible allegations of the sexual abuse of Palestinians at the hands of Israel.

To reiterate, the reports I have seen (Haaretz, AP, The Times) which refuted, or tempered, certain much propagandised allegations, say no rape happened.

ScrollingLeaves · 14/06/2024 14:30

IMPORTANT correction:

My apologies, that should have said,

To reiterate, NONE of the reports I have seen (Haaretz, AP, The Times) which refuted, or tempered, certain much propagandised allegations, say no rape happened.

Dulra · 14/06/2024 14:33

Alwayslookonthe · 14/06/2024 13:55

Not caged.
Israel DID NOT control the Rafah border (pre Oct 7) only Egypt & Hamas did.

Hamas published a daily roster of exit permits. As the governing body in Gaza Hamas controled this. Not Israel. Anyone can see this roster online confirming UN statistics.

Gazans have valid International passports & can travel without Israeli control or approval (pre Oct 7). No cages, no prison. As a Gazan you could apply for a passport, Hamas as the governing body issued them.

Hamas could have made exit passes cheaper and travel in general, this is nothing to do with Israel.

The evidence is just not there to support your assertion that Gazans were caged.
https://x.com/Aizenberg55/status/1665745931629723649

Not caged.
Israel DID NOT control the Rafah border (pre Oct 7) only Egypt & Hamas did.

Under a 2007 agreement between Egypt and Israel, Egypt controls the crossing but imports through the Rafah crossing require Israeli approval.

Not all isreal's fault that they are caged but caged all the same with their imports controlled by isreal.

So still quite a bit of control by Israel and at the moment isreal control the Gaza side of the border.

DownNative · 14/06/2024 14:42

OneGreenPlayer · 14/06/2024 13:43

Surely a reference to all the atrocities that have been happening before in Gaza and the West Bank. Also do you condone the awful behaviour of the IOF where they dress up in women’s clothes, take photos with hostages who are blindfolded, steal money and gold from houses after families have been killed. How many illegal settlers have stolen land before oct 7th?

No, your comment was deleted as it CAN be interpreted as support for Hamas, so Mumsnet acted in accordance with the law of the United Kingdom and the European Union.

You're now having to be much more careful about your wording but your deleted post was clear enough. It was in reference to 7th October 2023.

It's not good idea to try to sanitise Hamas' terrorism.

Besides that, your constant reference to the "IOF" is a clear signal to everyone to note your own bias. It forms part of the picture of your views along with your now deleted post. 👍

OneGreenPlayer · 14/06/2024 14:50

DownNative · 14/06/2024 14:42

No, your comment was deleted as it CAN be interpreted as support for Hamas, so Mumsnet acted in accordance with the law of the United Kingdom and the European Union.

You're now having to be much more careful about your wording but your deleted post was clear enough. It was in reference to 7th October 2023.

It's not good idea to try to sanitise Hamas' terrorism.

Besides that, your constant reference to the "IOF" is a clear signal to everyone to note your own bias. It forms part of the picture of your views along with your now deleted post. 👍

I will word carefully. That’s no problem. However the world is now seeing how Israel is treating the Palestinians. The atrocities are clear to see and have been ongoing well before oct 7th. I don’t care about Hamas but only about the Palestinian children who are being killed daily and those in West Bank who are being terrorised by illegal settlers who are destroying and stealing homes and land

Vittuunterroristit · 14/06/2024 14:52

OneGreenPlayer · 14/06/2024 14:20

ive done plenty of research thanks to know what Israel is doing. The army are posting enough pictures and videos about their own vile behaviour as well. The fact is people don’t need to research anymore. Illegal settlers, the army and Israeli people are showing their behaviour now to the world. Gazans had a lot more land to begin with which has been stolen by Israel. No doubt they will take claim to the Gas found of Gaza too

Ah, so now you're blaming regular Israelis?

Alwayslookonthe · 14/06/2024 14:54

OneGreenPlayer · 14/06/2024 14:20

ive done plenty of research thanks to know what Israel is doing. The army are posting enough pictures and videos about their own vile behaviour as well. The fact is people don’t need to research anymore. Illegal settlers, the army and Israeli people are showing their behaviour now to the world. Gazans had a lot more land to begin with which has been stolen by Israel. No doubt they will take claim to the Gas found of Gaza too

If you have done your research stop posting things that you don’t have evidence for. Gazans were never caged. Hamas as the governing body made it expensive to come and go.

Gaza has always had pretty much the same land mass as when Egypt occupied Gaza. Not sure what stolen land you are referring to?
Perhaps be more specific with your posts.

Vittuunterroristit · 14/06/2024 14:55

OneGreenPlayer · 14/06/2024 14:50

I will word carefully. That’s no problem. However the world is now seeing how Israel is treating the Palestinians. The atrocities are clear to see and have been ongoing well before oct 7th. I don’t care about Hamas but only about the Palestinian children who are being killed daily and those in West Bank who are being terrorised by illegal settlers who are destroying and stealing homes and land

I'm assuming if you're wording things carefully that's why you can't explain what you meant by retaliation.

You should care about Hamas. They're a danger to Palestinians as well as Israelis.

Alwayslookonthe · 14/06/2024 15:09

Dulra · 14/06/2024 14:33

Not caged.
Israel DID NOT control the Rafah border (pre Oct 7) only Egypt & Hamas did.

Under a 2007 agreement between Egypt and Israel, Egypt controls the crossing but imports through the Rafah crossing require Israeli approval.

Not all isreal's fault that they are caged but caged all the same with their imports controlled by isreal.

So still quite a bit of control by Israel and at the moment isreal control the Gaza side of the border.

Edited

Israel did have approval on imports from Egypt. Looks like lots of weapons got through though.
My post still stands. Gazans were not caged, daily exit lists were controlled by Hamas and approved by Egypt.

https://x.com/Aizenberg55/status/1665745931629723649

x.com

https://x.com/Aizenberg55/status/1665745931629723649

DownNative · 14/06/2024 15:19

OneGreenPlayer · 14/06/2024 14:50

I will word carefully. That’s no problem. However the world is now seeing how Israel is treating the Palestinians. The atrocities are clear to see and have been ongoing well before oct 7th. I don’t care about Hamas but only about the Palestinian children who are being killed daily and those in West Bank who are being terrorised by illegal settlers who are destroying and stealing homes and land

You say you don't care about Hamas but you care about Palestinian children. That's contradictory!

If you care about Palestinian children, you should care about Hamas who indoctrinate those children and recruit them to use as child "soldiers".

After all, Hamas are clear they want Palestinians to die, especially children.

Only without Hamas will Palestinian children have a chance at something on the way towards a normal life and normal society.

OneGreenPlayer · 14/06/2024 15:48

DownNative · 14/06/2024 15:19

You say you don't care about Hamas but you care about Palestinian children. That's contradictory!

If you care about Palestinian children, you should care about Hamas who indoctrinate those children and recruit them to use as child "soldiers".

After all, Hamas are clear they want Palestinians to die, especially children.

Only without Hamas will Palestinian children have a chance at something on the way towards a normal life and normal society.

This type of message has been reiterated so many times. People are now seeing what really goes on instead of these contrived words. The Israeli army are not only killing civilians they boast about it on social media. The latest being a women soldier with a blindfolded Palestinian women. Not to mention the male Israeli soldiers dressed up in Palestinian women’s clothing etc. and most recently the March In Jerusalem where mobs of Israeli youth were chanting death to Arabs and threatening to burn down villages which they actually did in the West Bank.

Mellowdramadrama · 14/06/2024 16:01

@DownNative israel are not innocent in this at all. They regularly block aid entering the Gaza Strip and kill innocent civilians. Even those waving white flags.
This was just yesterday from James Elder (UNICEF)

Tel Aviv under attack from at least eight rockets fired from Rafah in Gaza
Kindatired · 14/06/2024 17:49

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IMO, the topic of radicalisation of people, especially young people into terrorist organisations is a complex, but important topic!

I've saved your comment there and plan to address various aspects when I have a proper amount of time which isn't any time soon. You might not be surprised to know I do have various materials on this particular issue from experts in different parts of the world.

Though I do note your insertion of Northern Ireland terrorism into the Middle East conflict section once again, I can address that one too. But I will aim to keep that one brief.

But, crucially, whilst there's some overarching similarities there's a fair number of significant differences.

Kindatired · 14/06/2024 22:12

Thanks@DownNative
I think you have a very valuable perspective to offer. I’m not at all surprised that you have lots of resources to draw on - that’s fairly obvious from your previous posts. How people feel and perceive reality is not always based on facts in these situations but it’s how the feel that affects their behaviour if you know what I mean?

showmethegin · 15/06/2024 01:03

Kindatired · 14/06/2024 22:12

Thanks@DownNative
I think you have a very valuable perspective to offer. I’m not at all surprised that you have lots of resources to draw on - that’s fairly obvious from your previous posts. How people feel and perceive reality is not always based on facts in these situations but it’s how the feel that affects their behaviour if you know what I mean?

Have you seen what the IDF are doing? The brutalisation of Palestinians? The proven concentration camps full of Palestinians? READ THE REPORT BY CNN Children are in there! A 13 year old child died of rape in Israeli custody last week.

Extremism is horrific but it goes both ways.

Can I ask you a question? How many dead Palestinian children is acceptable to you? Seriously? These children did nothing and 14000 of them are dead, more than that have lost one or both parents. There are children being given Calpol while their leg is amputated. And you think that's ok. Do you? Self defence?!

It makes me want to vomit. All of my closest friends are Jewish. They are horrified by the acts done in their name. This is nothing to do with Judaism. In the same way ISIS has nothing to do with Muslims

showmethegin · 15/06/2024 01:06

Shame shame shame on anyone trying to deny what is happening here. I remember learning about what genocide was as a child really interested in history, and I'll never forget thinking "how did they get away with it? Why did nobody stop it?"

I don't wonder that anymore because we're living in it

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