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Conflict in the Middle East

Tel Aviv under attack from at least eight rockets fired from Rafah in Gaza

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keenforhelp · 27/05/2024 20:54

Hamas's military wing claimed responsibility for the attack on Sunday, according to Press Association.

What happened after by Israeli airstrikes was truly terrible - a real tragedy.

But why are Hamas still firing rockets deliberately at a residential city with no combatants.
As long as Hamas are in power rockets will never stop. Plus all the Aid Britain and America are giving just goes straight to Hamas. They started the war haven’t released the hostages and have no intention of surrendering.
The UN orders Israel to stop fighting.
But Hamas are free to continue their attacks.
Makes sense to someone I guess...........

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13461325/Tel-Aviv-attack-eight-rockets-fired-Rafah-Gaza.html

Tel Aviv under attack from rockets fired from Rafah in Gaza

Tel Aviv has come under attack with at least eight rockets fired towards central Israel on Sunday originating from Gaza 's far-southern city of Rafah, the Israeli military has confirmed.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13461325/Tel-Aviv-attack-eight-rockets-fired-Rafah-Gaza.html

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DownNative · 10/06/2024 20:11

HelenHen · 10/06/2024 19:58

But that wasn't the argument. The argument was that they CAN and sometimes DO become head of state... which we all agree on. So let's move it along now

Except it was as the poster Ah Ted cited McGuinness as supporting evidence of their own slogan! 🤦‍♂️

So, that was false of them as McGuinness was never HoS.

You might want to ignore it, but no dice.

HelenHen · 10/06/2024 20:20

DownNative · 10/06/2024 20:11

Except it was as the poster Ah Ted cited McGuinness as supporting evidence of their own slogan! 🤦‍♂️

So, that was false of them as McGuinness was never HoS.

You might want to ignore it, but no dice.

They said:

"No substance?

Nelson Mandela
Martin McGuinness (albeit Deputy)"

so what if McGuinness wasn't technically correct.

Mandela WAS.

But you're still going on about McGuinness 3 pages later?

What are you hoping to get out of this?

DownNative · 10/06/2024 20:41

HelenHen · 10/06/2024 20:20

They said:

"No substance?

Nelson Mandela
Martin McGuinness (albeit Deputy)"

so what if McGuinness wasn't technically correct.

Mandela WAS.

But you're still going on about McGuinness 3 pages later?

What are you hoping to get out of this?

There is no technically about it!

As an Irish citizen, they would have known that McGuinness never became HoS in the ROI and that a FM in the UK is not a HoS.

Oh, and then Captaine tried to counter it by saying McGuinness was elected MP and Adams TD. Neither of which are close to HoS status! 🙈

Hence two pages of that.

So, what are YOU hoping to get out of this? 🤔

HelenHen · 10/06/2024 21:02

DownNative · 10/06/2024 20:41

There is no technically about it!

As an Irish citizen, they would have known that McGuinness never became HoS in the ROI and that a FM in the UK is not a HoS.

Oh, and then Captaine tried to counter it by saying McGuinness was elected MP and Adams TD. Neither of which are close to HoS status! 🙈

Hence two pages of that.

So, what are YOU hoping to get out of this? 🤔

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Are you still going on? As an Irish person, it's not a massive deal to think that first minister is head of state. The monarchy is foreign to us, so it's an easy mistake to make.

Why does them being an Irish citizen have any relevance to their understanding of the British setup? He was still Deputy First Minister, which is very impressive whatever way you want to look at it.

However Mandela was also a former 'terrorist' who DID go on to become head of state... like they said... correctly!

DownNative · 10/06/2024 22:39

HelenHen · 10/06/2024 21:02

Are you still going on? As an Irish person, it's not a massive deal to think that first minister is head of state. The monarchy is foreign to us, so it's an easy mistake to make.

Why does them being an Irish citizen have any relevance to their understanding of the British setup? He was still Deputy First Minister, which is very impressive whatever way you want to look at it.

However Mandela was also a former 'terrorist' who DID go on to become head of state... like they said... correctly!

Are YOU still going on?

"As an Irish person, it's not a massive deal to think that first minister is head of state. The monarchy is foreign to us, so it's an easy mistake to make."

Absolute rubbish! Most adult citizens of the Republic of Ireland are well aware the Monarch is Head Of State in the UK.

Certainly nobody thinks Northern Ireland is itself an independent Sovereign State so why would anyone think the First Minster would be...Head Of State?! 🤦‍♂️

You're clutching at straws.

"He was still Deputy First Minister..."

Provisional Sinn Féin and their newspaper refused to use that title. They spent years styling him as "joint First Minister" - a title we don't even have! 🙈

tp4645 · 10/06/2024 22:50

This threads appear to only allow one sided opinion. Only the threat to Tel Aviv. Only 7th Oct. Only celebrating rescuing 4 people, with no mention of the 'collateral damage'.
Because it all happens in a vacuum, no context, or history.

HelenHen · 10/06/2024 23:14

DownNative · 10/06/2024 22:39

Are YOU still going on?

"As an Irish person, it's not a massive deal to think that first minister is head of state. The monarchy is foreign to us, so it's an easy mistake to make."

Absolute rubbish! Most adult citizens of the Republic of Ireland are well aware the Monarch is Head Of State in the UK.

Certainly nobody thinks Northern Ireland is itself an independent Sovereign State so why would anyone think the First Minster would be...Head Of State?! 🤦‍♂️

You're clutching at straws.

"He was still Deputy First Minister..."

Provisional Sinn Féin and their newspaper refused to use that title. They spent years styling him as "joint First Minister" - a title we don't even have! 🙈

Ah God, ya know I'll just leave you to it 🙊

Please don't speak on behalf of adults from the Republic of Ireland.

Anyway Mandela WAS correct 😊

LordPercyPercy · 13/06/2024 20:00

"The situation in northern Israel is getting surprisingly little attention in the West. Here’s some background and an explanation of just how dire it is. World War Three gets closer by the day, and I’m not exaggerating.

UNSC resolution 1701 (2006) is that Hezbollah agree to stay north of the river Litani in Lebanon. This puts Israeli settlements out of anti-tank rocket range. However, Hezbollah have broken this and since 7th October have fired thousands of rockets into Israel, displacing some 60,000 Israelis from their homes.

To be clear, Hezbollah is a direct Iranian proxy, who live like a virus inside the almost-dead body of the Lebanese state. Their fighters are far superior to Hamas, having gained serious experience in the Syrian civil war. They have no real ground manoeuvre or air power, but their tunnels in the chalk rock of southern Lebanon are better than Hamas’ and they have an estimated 150,000 rockets.

There are UN Peacekeepers in Lebanon, but (shockingly for the UN, I know) they’re as much use as a bacon sandwich at a Bar Mitzvah. One very senior Israeli source described them to me as “an umbrella that folds when it rains”.

So Israel has a real, very serious problem. They do not have the manpower to assault into Lebanon for any kind of sustained campaign, especially whilst Gaza is ongoing. So, in polite terms, they are kicking the shit out of it from the air (over which they have total superiority) and relying on missile defences. Thousands of targets have been struck in the last 9 months but Hezbollah retain very significant missile capability.

This is why Israel are beholden to the USA to offer obscenely generous ceasefire terms to Hamas (that Hamas appear to be declining). They cannot afford to lose American military aid with this threat on their northern border.

In the videos below, in the first vid you see the war zone northern Israel has become. The second one is the settlement of Katzrin in the Golan Heights. Surrounded on all sides by fires.

In a statement to Qatari-funded Muslim Brotherhood mouthpiece Al Jazeera, yesterday Hezbollah said, “We simultaneously attacked 15 bases in the Golan and the Galilee using 150 rockets and 30 drones. This is the most extensive attack carried out by the organization since October 8, this attack came in response to the assassination in Joya and in order to deter Israel from carrying out further assassinations of this type.”

On top of that, Iranian proxies in Iraq took responsibility last night for the joint operation they carried out together with the Houthis (Iranian proxies in Yemen), which launched these ballistic missiles and UAVs towards the Israeli cities of Ashdod and Haifa (third video).

Iran is besieging Israel on all sides, and Israel is bending, not breaking. This situation is genuinely dire. It explains why Hamas will not sign a ceasefire deal, and why other non-Iran aligned Gulf states are meeting with IDF commanders. The entire region is teetering on the edge of a much more widespread conflict with Iran, and Israel is taking the brunt of it.

If this situation deteriorates, our allies in the Gulf may call for aid. As a second front in the war against the Iran-Russia-China-Qatar axis of malign global actors, this could not be more serious or worrying. And all the while we see subversive Iranian proxy organisations organising protests about Gaza on Western streets. Hopefully the West is not defeated domestically before the war even starts in earnest."

https://x.com/Mr_Andrew_Fox/status/1801323700295209255

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OneGreenPlayer · 14/06/2024 11:43

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Vittuunterroristit · 14/06/2024 12:32

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So people then retaliate against the oppression by Israel and get called terrorists?

If that retaliation involves rape, kidnapping and murder then I'd say terrorist is an accurate description, wouldn't you?

LordPercyPercy · 14/06/2024 12:36

So people then retaliate against the oppression by Israel and get called terrorists?

Is this a reference to October 7? It sounds like you are condoning it.

Back on topic, I suggest people follow what is happening in northern Israel, I worry that the conflict is going to spread substantially shortly.

showmethegin · 14/06/2024 13:39

If that retaliation involves rape, kidnapping and murder then I'd say terrorist is an accurate description, wouldn't you?

@Vittuunterroristit so by that metric, it appears Israel are terrorists too. Hamas are obviously terrorists, and the actions of 7th October unconscionable, but was Israel is doing is just as bad (they have killed 40 times the amount by now, probably more)

OneGreenPlayer · 14/06/2024 13:43

LordPercyPercy · 14/06/2024 12:36

So people then retaliate against the oppression by Israel and get called terrorists?

Is this a reference to October 7? It sounds like you are condoning it.

Back on topic, I suggest people follow what is happening in northern Israel, I worry that the conflict is going to spread substantially shortly.

Surely a reference to all the atrocities that have been happening before in Gaza and the West Bank. Also do you condone the awful behaviour of the IOF where they dress up in women’s clothes, take photos with hostages who are blindfolded, steal money and gold from houses after families have been killed. How many illegal settlers have stolen land before oct 7th?

WhatTheFudge0 · 14/06/2024 13:45

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Vittuunterroristit · 14/06/2024 13:47

OneGreenPlayer · 14/06/2024 13:43

Surely a reference to all the atrocities that have been happening before in Gaza and the West Bank. Also do you condone the awful behaviour of the IOF where they dress up in women’s clothes, take photos with hostages who are blindfolded, steal money and gold from houses after families have been killed. How many illegal settlers have stolen land before oct 7th?

So when you said retaliate, what exactly were you referring to?

Vittuunterroristit · 14/06/2024 13:49

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Which of these reports said no sexual violence happened?

OneGreenPlayer · 14/06/2024 13:50

Vittuunterroristit · 14/06/2024 13:47

So when you said retaliate, what exactly were you referring to?

Specifically to the Palestinians in Gaza being caged in with no way in or out. Israel controlling water, electricity and entry/exit. Palestinians having no future or any decent living standards while Israelis live in luxury. Palestinians and their property being destroyed or stolen constantly

Alwayslookonthe · 14/06/2024 13:55

OneGreenPlayer · 14/06/2024 13:50

Specifically to the Palestinians in Gaza being caged in with no way in or out. Israel controlling water, electricity and entry/exit. Palestinians having no future or any decent living standards while Israelis live in luxury. Palestinians and their property being destroyed or stolen constantly

Not caged.
Israel DID NOT control the Rafah border (pre Oct 7) only Egypt & Hamas did.

Hamas published a daily roster of exit permits. As the governing body in Gaza Hamas controled this. Not Israel. Anyone can see this roster online confirming UN statistics.

Gazans have valid International passports & can travel without Israeli control or approval (pre Oct 7). No cages, no prison. As a Gazan you could apply for a passport, Hamas as the governing body issued them.

Hamas could have made exit passes cheaper and travel in general, this is nothing to do with Israel.

The evidence is just not there to support your assertion that Gazans were caged.
https://x.com/Aizenberg55/status/1665745931629723649

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Vittuunterroristit · 14/06/2024 13:57

OneGreenPlayer · 14/06/2024 13:50

Specifically to the Palestinians in Gaza being caged in with no way in or out. Israel controlling water, electricity and entry/exit. Palestinians having no future or any decent living standards while Israelis live in luxury. Palestinians and their property being destroyed or stolen constantly

No you said "people then retaliate against the oppression by Israel and get called terrorists". So what retaliation are you referring to?

OneGreenPlayer · 14/06/2024 14:04

Alwayslookonthe · 14/06/2024 13:55

Not caged.
Israel DID NOT control the Rafah border (pre Oct 7) only Egypt & Hamas did.

Hamas published a daily roster of exit permits. As the governing body in Gaza Hamas controled this. Not Israel. Anyone can see this roster online confirming UN statistics.

Gazans have valid International passports & can travel without Israeli control or approval (pre Oct 7). No cages, no prison. As a Gazan you could apply for a passport, Hamas as the governing body issued them.

Hamas could have made exit passes cheaper and travel in general, this is nothing to do with Israel.

The evidence is just not there to support your assertion that Gazans were caged.
https://x.com/Aizenberg55/status/1665745931629723649

The Rafah border goes into Egypt. Why should they go to Egypt? That’s not their country. And why did Israel destroy the Palestinian airport? Why does Israel control the water and electricity? Why are children being targeted and killed. Why are the heavily controlled checkpoints preventing children and women in and out of Gaza?

Scirocco · 14/06/2024 14:05

I think it's important to be clear about the difference between resistance (including armed resistance) and terrorism.

Indiscriminately killing, injuring (in multiple ways) and abducting innocent people is terrorism. It is not self-defence, it is not justifiable resistance. It is terrorism.

OneGreenPlayer · 14/06/2024 14:09

Scirocco · 14/06/2024 14:05

I think it's important to be clear about the difference between resistance (including armed resistance) and terrorism.

Indiscriminately killing, injuring (in multiple ways) and abducting innocent people is terrorism. It is not self-defence, it is not justifiable resistance. It is terrorism.

That’s the terrorism that Palestinians and people in the West Bank have put up with for years. Illegal settlers are still killing innocent civilians and stealing homes.

Alwayslookonthe · 14/06/2024 14:13

OneGreenPlayer · 14/06/2024 14:04

The Rafah border goes into Egypt. Why should they go to Egypt? That’s not their country. And why did Israel destroy the Palestinian airport? Why does Israel control the water and electricity? Why are children being targeted and killed. Why are the heavily controlled checkpoints preventing children and women in and out of Gaza?

If they want to leave Gazans can go through Rafah. Not sure what country you think Gazans are from, they identify as Palestinian and indeed the Palestinian Authority seek International recognition for the state of Palestine.

Israel provided only 9-11% of water. Gaza provided the rest of it’s water through desalination plants, it also had an aquifer but this has been polluted a few years ago, mismanagement by the governing body of Hamas.

Instead of throwing out loads of questions randomly, perhaps do some research.

Scirocco · 14/06/2024 14:20

OneGreenPlayer · 14/06/2024 14:09

That’s the terrorism that Palestinians and people in the West Bank have put up with for years. Illegal settlers are still killing innocent civilians and stealing homes.

And there should be legal consequences for those things. Ideally as part of a negotiated peace process to establish a way for Palestine and Israel to live next to each other without further violence.

OneGreenPlayer · 14/06/2024 14:20

Alwayslookonthe · 14/06/2024 14:13

If they want to leave Gazans can go through Rafah. Not sure what country you think Gazans are from, they identify as Palestinian and indeed the Palestinian Authority seek International recognition for the state of Palestine.

Israel provided only 9-11% of water. Gaza provided the rest of it’s water through desalination plants, it also had an aquifer but this has been polluted a few years ago, mismanagement by the governing body of Hamas.

Instead of throwing out loads of questions randomly, perhaps do some research.

ive done plenty of research thanks to know what Israel is doing. The army are posting enough pictures and videos about their own vile behaviour as well. The fact is people don’t need to research anymore. Illegal settlers, the army and Israeli people are showing their behaviour now to the world. Gazans had a lot more land to begin with which has been stolen by Israel. No doubt they will take claim to the Gas found of Gaza too