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Conflict in the Middle East

Thank you to Ireland, Norway and Spain

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Scirocco · 22/05/2024 08:21

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-69047220

At a time when justice, empathy and integrity seem to be in short supply, a little light in the darkness.

Link to the BBC Live page covering statements announcing that the countries will recognise a Palestinian state on 28th May.

Ireland and Norway to recognise Palestinian state, with Spain to follow - BBC News

Israel's foreign ministry has warned the move will "fuel extremism and instability".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-69047220

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Parkingt111 · 06/07/2024 17:16

@keenforhelp some may disagree on the matter but I can't see how the icc warrant issued against Netanyahu is anti-semitic. Why do you think it is?

Parkingt111 · 06/07/2024 17:24

@keenforhelp feel free to ignore this question if you dont want to answer but im interested to know If this a mainstream view in Israel? That the warrant was issued on the basis of anti-semitism and not due to some of the extremely questionable ways in which Israel has conducted this war?

EasterIssland · 06/07/2024 17:27

Parkingt111 · 06/07/2024 17:24

@keenforhelp feel free to ignore this question if you dont want to answer but im interested to know If this a mainstream view in Israel? That the warrant was issued on the basis of anti-semitism and not due to some of the extremely questionable ways in which Israel has conducted this war?

That’s not the feeling I get from other Israeli posters in mn , many of them have condemned Israel’s PMs actions.

Dulra · 06/07/2024 17:28

keenforhelp · 06/07/2024 17:23

The arrest is not whether you are terrorist or not it is whether you have committed war crimes.

EasterIssland · 06/07/2024 17:30

Dulra · 06/07/2024 17:28

The arrest is not whether you are terrorist or not it is whether you have committed war crimes.

Same way Putin is not a terrorist but he’s got the same arrest warrant

keenforhelp · 06/07/2024 17:36

Putin invaded a country . No comparison .

keenforhelp · 06/07/2024 17:37

EasterIssland · 06/07/2024 17:27

That’s not the feeling I get from other Israeli posters in mn , many of them have condemned Israel’s PMs actions.

Name them then?

Parkingt111 · 06/07/2024 17:43

keenforhelp · 06/07/2024 17:25

I do not support all of his actions but I do agree with his comment
Here

https://www.euronews.com/2024/05/21/new-antisemitism-israeli-pm-netanyahu-slams-icc-arrest-warrant

Thank you for sharing but I personally disagree. I think if the leader of any other country had carried out the war in the way Israel has, then the response would have been the same.
Infact I think it would have been issued a long long time ago.

EasterIssland · 06/07/2024 17:54

keenforhelp · 06/07/2024 17:37

Name them then?

I’m not going to be the one pointing at others posters or threads as you know because you’ve told other people before pointing at other threads goes against guidelines. But anyone that has been in these threads for a while gets familiar to usernames, whilst you might not agree with them on everything. You’ll agree on other things. I’ve seen Israel / Jewish posters saying they don’t agree with Israel’s way to handle this war.

EasterIssland · 06/07/2024 17:54

keenforhelp · 06/07/2024 17:36

Putin invaded a country . No comparison .

Putin hasn’t killed 40000 people and denied water and electricity. True. No comparison.

keenforhelp · 06/07/2024 18:25

I knew you wouldnt be able to prove it. I am leaving this thread now.

Liv999 · 06/07/2024 20:24

EasterIssland · 06/07/2024 17:54

Putin hasn’t killed 40000 people and denied water and electricity. True. No comparison.

Exactly

Kindatired · 06/07/2024 21:43

hmmm “Dummy “….thats thing I guess- ever since that Martin Luther King thing, I guess anyone can go to Harvard Law school…..

EasterIssland · 07/07/2024 22:54

Just saw future predicted France’s president has mentioned in the past that France should recognise Palestine. I know it’s too early on but @Auvergne63 do you think that’ll happen?

EasterIssland · 08/07/2024 07:19

Just saw the news about France and the hung election.

Dulra · 08/07/2024 07:29

EasterIssland · 08/07/2024 07:19

Just saw the news about France and the hung election.

Yes it's suggested it was due to tactical voting to keep out the far right Le Pen party. They'll be weeks forming a government but at least it won't be far right.

Auvergne63 · 08/07/2024 12:33

EasterIssland · 07/07/2024 22:54

Just saw future predicted France’s president has mentioned in the past that France should recognise Palestine. I know it’s too early on but @Auvergne63 do you think that’ll happen?

Edited

I really hope so. I know that they will upheld the warrants ( if/when issued) against Netanyahu and Hamas.
In February, President Emmanuel Macron said: “The recognition of a Palestinian state is not a taboo for France.” And earlier this month, France supported Palestinian membership of the UN in the general assembly vote.

Auvergne63 · 08/07/2024 12:36

Dulra · 08/07/2024 07:29

Yes it's suggested it was due to tactical voting to keep out the far right Le Pen party. They'll be weeks forming a government but at least it won't be far right.

It was but that's the way we vote. So very proud that we, as voters, have put aside our differences to unite against the far right.

EasterIssland · 08/08/2024 18:52

They’ve done something similar to Spanish one as well I believe
www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2024/8/8/israel-revokes-diplomatic-status-of-norwegian-envoys

EasterIssland · 14/10/2024 19:13

Spanish PM urges EU to accept bid to end free trade with Israel
https://www.timesofisrael.com/spanish-pm-urges-eu-to-accept-bid-to-end-free-trade-with-israel

AgileGreenSeal · 14/10/2024 20:00

booksunderthebed · 22/05/2024 12:16

The Israeli ambassador to Ireland has not been recalled.

'I have instructed the immediate recall of Israel’s ambassadors to Ireland and Norway for consultations in light of these countries' decisions to recognize a Palestinian state.'

But, you are not alone in your lack of ability to understand a sentence in English. RTE, the Irish Times etc are all similarly unable to understand english.

As a Jew, nothing I would like better then to see a peaceful Palestinian state, however right now that is probably not going to happen. And declaring one now just looks like the Palestinians are being rewarded for their charming actions on October 7.

also this https://www.theguardian.com/books/article/2024/may/20/salman-rushdie-says-a-palestinian-state-formed-today-would-be-taliban-like

Feeling very fragile and vulnarable right now as a Jew in Ireland.

I understand your feelings and as an Irishwoman I stand with you @booksunderthebed

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