Terrible but not surprised - Jewish community under threat

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx0331xxd7xo

It appears Jews are not safe in the UK at all.

Can we seriously look at the impact of anti semitism now?

Thank you and yes. Those on the left rightly condemned people hassling British Muslims to condemn 9/11 and it's a slap in the face to see those same people on the left demanding the same of British Jews and dismissing Jewish voices unless they say the "right thing" on Gaza.

'The hearing was told the pair were accused of plotting an attack designed to cause "multiple fatalities using automatic weapons".

Prosecutor Rebecca Waller said the alleged plan had been inspired by the Islamic State group.'

Awful.

I would like to add - unless you hold extreme, radical views that go against the laws of this country, you should be free and safe regardless of the political onions you subscribe to. This applies to everyone.

I totally agree.
everyone should be safe from hate speech here.
this is why I’m so fearful for our country.
the Muslims in British mosques are no more to blame for 9/11 as the Jewish people worshipping in our synagogues to blame for Israel government.

👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 Yes this includes being pro-Israel

It’s a shame that these people are incapable of reflecting why the term anti-semitism comes up so consistently.

This behaviour is very typical. Everyone must hear - endlessly, constantly - from me about my very enlightened and humane views. And any dissent will be taken as personal attack.
Aside from the anti semitism, it’s the narcissism of so many of participants that makes these marches so repellent to me.

Sorry @YaMuvva - when I made those comments o was talking about the person you were replying to not you! Just realised my comment could have been misconstrued

It’s fine @Marjoriefrobisher i knew what you meant and I agree with you completely.

BTW love your username haven’t heard that name in years!

I believe that the word antisemitism is used more frequently because of a real rise in hate towards Jewish people, but unfortunately also because it is used as a
way of shutting down criticism of Israel (I mean the government when I say this).

It’s a shame that in among the very real concerns about the rise in antisemitism there are less honourable people who will muddy the waters by using this word when it doesn’t apply.

Wow mumsnet, this is a thread about the Jewish community under threat in the UK.

Foiled terrorist attack in the UK on Jewish people who live on the UK and probably other people around also killed. Major for security in this country. This is not acceptable at all. Fortunately, they have been arrested and hopefully will be locked away for the safety of all.

The antisemitism, the what about the ...., the ridiculousness. Where's the care and concern for members of OUR society (this is a UK website, so predominantly UK mn?). It feels like a race to the bottom on here.

@localnotail Thank you for your post.

There are now thousands of threads about gaza.

How about you allow people to discuss a foiled terrorist plot here in the UK and go post elsewhere.

Are UK Jewish people not allowed this thread. Go wobble your brain a bit.

It's a shame that people will appear on a thread about an actual planned antisemitic attack to go on about how loads of Jews can't be trusted to say what is antisemitic.

No you don't have to sit back and forget them. You do need to post on other threads about them and leave this thread to it's topic. There are plenty of threads gor you to post on.

Are people not allowed to discuss the worries of Jewish people in the UK. Every thread about the worries of ordinary Jewish people is overrun with whataboutery, anti semitism and derailment

There's always a 'but'. Always. If this attack had been successful with many fatalities, posters would still be jumping on here with the 'cant's say anything these days,' 'the word antisemitism is meaningless now', 'but Gaza' caveats. It's disgusting.

The claim that allegations of anti semitism are used to shut down criticism of Israel are tediously ubiquitous but never supported by any evidence of actual instances of this.
If one wanted to be as boring as the people making this claim, one might say that claims that allegations of anti semitism are used to silence criticism of Israel are used to silence criticism of anti semitism.
and so it goes on. Ultimately you have to deal with the fact that really flagrant demonstrations of anti semitism are now associated with your cause. And people draw inferences from that. Scream all you want but you can’t stop that.

redolent of a 70s/early 80s childhood!

There's been another London incident now:

"Central London: Islamists chase a Jewish man through the streets while screaming “Jew! Jew!” In Arabic. "

https://twitter.com/IncMonocle/status/1791182677975924790

So much ignorance and hatred.

What the hell? That is terrifying. So much hatred.

This.

I stand by what I wrote and if you care to look you will find evidence.

I’m not going to discuss this any further as you are not open to seeing this as a factor and I don’t want to get into a disagreement. This might detract from those who feel genuinely scared or have suffered hate, from being able to have supportive conversations.

God they're vile.

You say something like 'this placard of a Jewish baby being fed the blood of Palestinian children is antisemitic' and someone will say 'oh, so I'm antisemitic because I don't support Israel then?'.

It has become quite tedious, the assumption that any discussion of antisemitism isn't about genuine antisemitism but merely criticism of Israel.

It doesn't help that some people wouldn't recognise antisemitism if it smacked them in the face.