Terrible but not surprised - Jewish community under threat

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx0331xxd7xo

It appears Jews are not safe in the UK at all.

Can we seriously look at the impact of anti semitism now?

Pretty obvious isn't it that this is nowhere near to the scale of the pro Palestinian marches.

How many people turning up to a protest isn’t really the point. It was questioned why there were none and I was simply pointing out there have been.

There seems to be an assumption that

1. nobody wants to annihilate the Jews
2. nobody is trying to annihilate the Jews
3. nobody wants Israel wiped off the map

Israel has done such a good job protecting itself from the threat of annihilation (the Iron Dome for example, along with a conscripted army) that people seem to think that because the regular, repeated attacks on Israel are largely unsuccessful (although civilians are killed, the numbers are low), that there’s no threat to Israel, rather than one that is being constantly thwarted.

October 7th shows that there is in fact a huge threat, that there are people who are absolutely up for slaughtering, raping, torturing Jews, or taking them hostage. But that doesn’t fit the narrative so is brushed off, overlooked, or worse, ‘natural consequences’ for how Israel treats others.

We have had people on the streets of London chanting support for the Houthi attacks on international shipping, because they claim it is in support of Gaza. The Houthi slogan includes ‘Death to Israel and a curse upon Jews’ so suspecting that they might have other motives seems reasonable.

If people are going to start saying that the Jews are to blame for people wanting to annihilate them because of the actions of Israel, then they should be able to explain why Hitler and others tried very hard to annihilate the Jews before Israel was even created. And why the attempted annihilation was called ‘The Final Solution to the Jewish Question’.

There are people who want to annihilate the Jews. There are people who want to wipe Israel off the map because it is a Jewish state. There are people actively working towards that as a goal.

So seeing people on the streets chanting support for the Houthis, or chanting “from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free’ when people who want Palestine to be free of Israel also chant that, when people demonise Zionists - who are people who think Israel has the right to exist as a Jewish state - whose side might they appear to be on?

None of this is condoning what Israel is doing in Gaza, or the West Bank btw, those actions are horrendously awful. But people aren’t chanting for other countries who are conducting genocide, or war crimes, or human rights violations to cease to exist.

Should we play a game of 'name the flag' using the photo you posted?

Sudan can't even have one very small protest without Palestinians also being mentioned.

@Humdingerydoo it is the Sudanese flag, it’s very similar to the Palestinian flag!

No, I meant the bottom one of the three :) 3 out of 5 are Sudanese, the other 2 aren't

Although I suppose it might be the Ba'ath party flag?

@Humdingerydoo
" Should we play a game of 'name the flag' using the photo you posted? "

No thanks I wouldn't want to derail this thread.

"Sudan can't even have one very small protest without Palestinians also being mentioned."

Your point is?

If you don't want to derail the thread, then maybe don't? Maybe talk a bit more about the rise in anti-Semitism following October 7th.

@Doveytail , you saying "This doesn’t take away from the the fact that there has been a rise in antisemitism and Jews are feeling unsafe." feels like an attempt at minimising anti-Semitism. "feeling unsafe". We're not feeling unsafe, we are unsafe. There is a difference. There were literally people with weapons planning a deadly attack against us.

@Humdingerydoo I wasn't. I was just correcting another poster who said there wasn't any protests for Sudan. That was it. You then came on and wanted to play a game of guess the flag. So it's not me who is derailing but you.

Aaaah well spotted!

I hate this. I’ve seen so much anti semitism in the past 6-12 months. Just Jewish people going about their business getting shouted at from cars, abuse in the street

however you feel about the Middle East situation it has not been caused and cannot be made better by Jewish people in this country. Equally it cannot be caused or made better by Muslim residents in this country.
Where has the respect gone? Where has this vocal hate come from?

I hate this. I’ve seen so much anti semitism in the past 6-12 months. Just Jewish people going about their business getting shouted at from cars, abuse in the street

Martin Lewis just copped a load of abuse on X this morning. He sounds shaken and upset.

I don't have X but after seeing your comment I wanted to know what happened - what the actual fuck?! How did X not see the blatant antisemitism?! They weren't even hiding it!

Well said Giraffe.

This was a march in New York yesterday, it's really not a good look.

https://twitter.com/HeidiBachram/status/1790895503455944790

https://twitter.com/HeidiBachram/status/1790908038813016353

If protestors persist in glorifying Hamas and the Houthis, terrorist groups whose message is effectively 'kill Jews', and the majority are quite content to join the protest knowing fine well these malign elements are present (effectively legitimising their behaviour), this is why we shouldn't be surprised if it spills out into 'real life' too, away from the marches. And it's no wonder so many from the Jewish community are now wanting to move to a country, which if we're being honest is considerably less safe than the UK, but the motivation to go is understandable.

Which is why, despite being left wing and Jewish, I reserve a particularly disdain for Jewish people joining these protests. The ones who have apparently never seen any antisemitism there and just so happen to have had their eyes closed when the countless examples of Jew-hate have been posted on social media. And any kind of antisemitic violence they will only acknowledge if that violence is coming from the right.

https://twitter.com/antisemitism/status/1791065598446670205

Another incident in Stamford Hill. A woman brandishing a knife and shouting abuse at a Jewish man.

Bloody hell.

She allegedly told a Jewish man that he is a “provocation” before specifying “you people, you Jewish...all the trouble you’re creating in the world.”

When asked what she meant, she allegedly replied: “Who do you think started the Second World War? You, the Jewish, started the Second World War.”

History is not their strong point.

Absolutely terrifying this is happening on the streets of London. Where the hell will it end?

I think she might be mentally unwell. But I think the paranoia/ conspiracy theories and online nastiness is adding to existing mental health problems. Anyone suffering from a mental health condition could be tipped into something dangerous by what’s going on at the moment. That’s why we all have a duty to try to call out or tone down the nasty rhetoric .

I am sorry, but there has been so much explicit anti semitism at these marches that inferences are inevitably drawn about those who continue to associate themselves with them.

apple.news/AtH5ZKw0XStu3pPuo6pEAJA

Article in the guardian.

Poor man.
im genuinely concerned for Britain's future. For some reason this level of vocal hate has been allowed to become acceptable. And I’m worried.

Anyone suffering from a mental health condition could be tipped into something dangerous

I think it's important to be specific about what mental health condition you are referring to such as psychosis or something. We need to be careful not to label people who have mental health illnesses as dangerous or easily manipulated.

But yes their actions do not sound like someone of sound mind. Extremely worrying

What I find absolutely disguising is that when 9/11 happened, there were some attacks and blame on ordinary Muslims - and no one, NO ONE in their right mind told them, quite rightly, that they should only be safe if they denounce radical Islam. All sane people rallied to protect their Muslim fellow citizens, there were no discussion. What I see now, is that ordinary Jews are NOT protected. They are, basically, alone. No one feels like they want to defend them - unless they do this, that, denounce Zionism (btw - wtf is wrong for a nation or oppressed people to settle and have their own country? Would you condemn Palestinians for wanting to have a country? Or any other oppressed nation?).
Its like everyone hated them anyway and now they have a reason not to hide it. I fucking hate it, and I'm absolutely terrified of where it might go.

I'm not Jewish btw but I came from an Eastern European country and I grew up knowing what happened to Jewish population in the city I grew up in. Nazi Germans killed them, very calmly and methodically, in an organised and well planned manner - unarmed women, kids, adults. Everyone. Over 30,000 people in total in two days period. Shot, and then buried, in layers, witnesses said ground used to move for days after as not all people where dead when they were buried. Even writing it makes me cry. Would you question, after reading this, why Jewish people want to have their own country, and why they want to defend it with all their might?