Terrible but not surprised - Jewish community under threat

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx0331xxd7xo

It appears Jews are not safe in the UK at all.

Can we seriously look at the impact of anti semitism now?

Wow

Good on the person saying “you’re not helping us”. He’s right.

Yep. I've lost count of the number of times posters on these boards have said they've been called anti semetic for criticising Israel. It's so tedious. In fact, I've even had posters on previous threads tell me that I've called them anti semetic when I haven't. Sometimes I think I'm going crazy and read back through my posts and nope,never called them anti semetic. It's totally bizarre

You might not want to discuss it further but perhaps you ought to reflect on why you thought this thread was the place to air that particular view in the first place.

So, still no evidence. Those of us who have been paying attention are very, very used to this.
then the withdrawal from challenge coupled with emotional blackmail (all the people who challenge me are bad).
so sick of this. Back up what you say or expect to be called on it.

You are right, this thread is about threats to Jewish citizens and the underlying causes have been mentioned.

I agree that it is wrong to expect Jewish citizens to denounce Israel, but I think it is another matter to not expect people to minimise what is happening in the West Bank and Gaza - hence my post.

Extremism breeds when there is grievance, and not acknowledging that will not reduce the risks.

Extremism breeds when there is grievance, and not acknowledging that will not reduce the risks

What a load of crap

“Extremism breeds when there is grievance, and not acknowledging that will not reduce the risks.”
Grievance against who? Ordinary Jewish people?

this thread is about threats to Jewish citizens and the underlying causes have been mentioned.

Have they?

Because the only underlying causes I understood to be was pure racist hatred towards Jewish people.

Did you think there was another cause?

Extremism breeds when there is grievance, and not acknowledging that will not reduce the risks.

No extremism breeds when there is hate.

This is basically blaming British Jews for people plotting against them!

I don't want to derail this thread but I did want to respond to your question of evidence. The biggest culprit imo is Netanyahu. He has called nations such as US, UK and organisations such as UN and ICC antisemitic for not agreeing with aspects of the conflict. I did post at the time that I felt his rhetoric was minimising the term antisemitism and as a result making Jews less safe because it would become like the boy who cried wolf. I think that is doing Jews a real disservice

So @Polka83 do you think Israel’s ‘extremism’ is justified after their grievance over October 7th?

Be side you can’t have it both ways.

@Durla

You're right, probably not. Catholics received a bit of bad press but nothing close to hate or violence directed at them.

That's simply not true. This is something that is always thrown at catholics. In fact, saying anything against Catholics is fair game.

This very much sounds as if you are justifying anti semitic threats on ordinary Jewish citizens. I hope I am wrong. If so please explain.

I hope I’m wrong too but I agree that’s how it reads and I hope Polka can clarify what she means.

Look up push factors for radicalisation. Grievance is one of them.

But grievance against who?

And what do you expect the average British Jew to do in order to combat that?

The Jewish population of Manchester?

So it’s ok for them to act out because a push factor is grievance - even if they have grievances about the WRONG group?

Tell me, if they have grievances Israel and Palestine, how is that the responsibility of British Jews and what can we do to minimise the push factor that we aren’t doing now? Other than just drop down dead?

It certainly is

What grievance could people in this country have against fellow citizens based on thheir heritage

And seriously. Resistance. Really?

Ordinary Jewish people in the west can in no way be held responsible for what is happening in Gaza and the West Bank.
What I was suggesting was that it is completely understandable to not expect Jewish citizens to criticise Israel, but if people- any person- minimises the actions of IDF or settlers, this create a sense that their actions are actually being condoned.
There is a risk our politicians have done this- and this can increase sense for vulnerable people at risk of extremism of being isolated and increase their sense of grievance - which may increase risks of terrorism.

Can I plan a terrorist plot against the Catholics in Australia for the abuse by priests in Boston? Because I have a HUGE grievance about the abuse by priests. Would it be reasonable to do that in Australian Catholics?

I’m pleased you’ve clarified that, but this wasn’t an attack plotted agains MPs who have minimised IDF actions, it was a terror plot against everyday British Jews

Also as a PP said people are entitled to whatever views they wish, as long as they are not extremist, and that includes supporting Israel

Personally I think that Miriam Margoyles was spot on when she said hatred for Jewish people was suppressed after the war and Israel opened Pandora’s box and let it all out - now people who are just hateful of Jewish people can express their rabid hate under the guise of “I care about Palestine and I’ve had enough”

So the only Jews at risk in the UK are those who haven't condemned the idf and settlers....how will the anti semites be able to differentiate between the ones who've condemned them and the ones who haven't?

Please just stop with your "you need to accept that Jews are partially responsible for anti-Semitism" nonsense. Enough now. You and others on this thread have been told repeatedly it's not an ok thing to say so stop saying it.