This is the reality of what Israel is doing (part 3)

[Eyesopenwideawake]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/15/babies-children-gaza-famine

Continuation of the previous thread.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/conflict-in-the-middle-east/5018751-this-is-the-reality-of-what-israel-is-doing-part-2?page=39&reply=134623626

Maybe you should read the above discussion more carefully. I am basically suggesting that the indigenous / colonisation cliches don’t apply in the way that @Cuddlecouch was trying to use them.

Maybe you should read my comment more carefully. I’m saying that in reality, the indigenous/coloniser argument won’t (and shouldn’t) factor in solving the problem if we want an actual solution.

Personally I would consider the settler/native argument to be more clear cut than that of NI, because I don’t find the Israeli settler argument of “we were here thousands of years ago,” to be particularly compelling. At least the plantation descendants had a couple hundred years in situ. But that’s irrelevant, they are there now and that won’t change.

You do understand that comments on a thread can use ideas to pivot slightly, I assume. Quite a simple concept.

I am not fighting over who is the true indigenous though, I am suggesting it isn't a very helpful way of looking at the overall picture, as it is more complicated than that. Maybe you are agreeing with me then,as far as that goes?

Also I was assuming that Cuddlecouch was thinking of native Americans by the way, and their tie to their ancestral land is not eroded by having been conquered and robbbed of their land centuries ago. But it is too simplistic to say in Israel / Palestine that one side is the indigenous.

@Kindatired "I think you need to read more objectively
From Wikipedia:"

Are you having a larf ?! 😂

People on these threads have been pilloried and put-down for using Wikipedia as an information source.

People have been told (among other things) :-

That "Wikipedia isn't a reliable source of information - and every undergraduate know that"

"It is edited by idiots" etc etc

I can't be bothered to find all the other comments.

(Maybe a case of "if you don't like the message devalue the source ?)

Now we are told that Wikipedia is the Fount of All Knowledge.

Not only that, but if we don't agree with the spoutings of some has-been celebrities on Twitter/X we all have a "faulty moral compass". 🙄

I just wish people would either shit or get off the pot. I can't keep up with all these moving goalposts, so I'm done here.

This site shows quite clearly why the Israel/Palestinian issue will never be solved 🙄

https://x.com/nournaim88/status/1793771254195122299?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

In light of the phones... Premature babies in Al-Aqsa Martyrs Hospital face the risk of death due to a power outage.

This crisis is exacerbated by the complete closure of crossings by the Israeli army in #Gaza and the imposition of a blockade amidst the ongoing genocide war.

Idf stripping and detaining people at Jenin Refugee Camp
https://x.com/ryanrozbiani/status/1793378470686544032?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

Guardian article on concerns of EU staff:

“We couldn’t believe that our leaders who were so vocal about human rights and who described Europe as the beacon of human rights were suddenly so silent about the crisis unfolding in Gaza,” he said. “It’s like suddenly we were asked to turn a blind eye on our values and on the values that we were allegedly working for. And for us, this was not acceptable.”

The letter highlights the many NGOs that have repeatedly called for a ceasefire, adding: “The EU’s inability to respond to these increasingly desperate calls is in clear contradiction with the values that the EU stands for and that we stand for.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/may/24/more-than-200-eu-staff-sign-letter-expressing-concerns-over-gaza-crisis

“Good morning from Al Aqsa hospital in central Gaza, the last operating medical facility. A state of tension prevails among the working medical teams, the wounded, and the sick. The hospital is on the verge of collapse and shutdown as generators ran out of fuel.”

Maram Humaid, Digital Reporter, posted 3 hours ago.

The UN’s top court has ordered Israel to halt its assault on the southern Gaza city of Rafah in a landmark ruling that will ratchet up the pressure on the increasingly isolated country.

The president of the international court of justice, Nawaf Salam, said the humanitarian situation in Rafah had deteriorated further and was now classified as “disastrous”, meaning the ICJ’s previously issued provisional measures “do not fully address the consequences arising from the change in the situation”.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/may/24/icj-orders-israel-to-halt-rafah-offensive-new-ruling

https://www.timesofisrael.com/rights-groups-petition-court-to-shutter-negev-detention-facility-over-torture-claims/

Israeli human rights groups on Thursday petitioned the High Court of Justice to close the detention center at the Sde Teiman military base in the Negev due to allegations of torture of Gazan detainees at the facility.
“Evidence has mounted on what is allegedly happening at the facility,” the petition read, “which reveals an unimaginable reality of surgeries performed without anesthesia, holding detainees in painful positions for days and handcuffing that leads to amputation, blindfolding for long periods, even when providing medical treatment and while [detainees were] defecating, holding detainees in diapers, beatings, and abuse.”
The petition was filed by the Association for Civil Rights in Israel (ACRI), Physicians for Human Rights (PHR-I), HaMoked, and the Public Committee Against Torture (PCATI), among others.

I did not know that the US have it within a written law/agreement that if Palestine gets full statehood recognition that the US will stop its funding to the UN.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C7VP7F4tlhM/?igsh=MWtmMzBqNDAzeXR1dg==

@DomPom47 which really shows their commitment to a two state solution, parity of esteem for Palestinians, etc.

Maybe the UN would function a lot better without them

The US demographic I'd changing though, and laws can be changed.

www.instagram.com/reel/C7ZfqrbNp_y/?igsh=Z3kzdjlldXlleXE4

Idf blowing up housing for fun.
https://x.com/swilkinsonbc/status/1794444723718922349?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/gaza-war-israeli-torture-methods-resemble-islamic-state-horrors

That article needs its own thread @Finallyloggedin - appalling, utterly appalling.

Barbaric

The US has it also on their books that if any US official was tried for crimes in The Hague, the US would put boots on the ground.

This is what imperialism looks like.

https://x.com/nournaim88/status/1794489110851108915?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

”Shocking scenes from Ahli Baptist Hospital,Gaza's only functioning hospital in the north,reveal a health crisis as all other hospitals are offline & emergency resources are exhausted

My father,an orthopedic surgeon there,is unreachable due to overwhelming pressure & exhaustion”

Just saw this poor little girls’ story - “She and her siblings were CRYING OF THIRST before their house was BOMBED OVER THEIR HEADS. Then she had to endure losing all her siblings and father’s family.
And she had her arm amputated at such a young age.“

https://x.com/eyeonpalestine/status/1794707568637698433?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

I am reading your posts, but just don’t know what to say.

I'm not sure where to post this but I hope it's ok to on here.

I'm absolutely shocked at the scenes that are coming out of Rafah right now. In an area they were told were safe and as humanitarian area. It's honestly something out of a horror movie but worse.

I'm not going to post a link because it is far too graphic and traumatising but people need to know what's going on.

Burnt dead bodies being dragged out of a burning displacement camp for the displaced. There are many still stuck under the flames and people are risking their own lives to pull them out. The screams that are coming out is terrifying.

I just don't know what to say anymore but I pray it all stops.

A man holding a child's headless body from the latest bombing.

How can people defend this and excuse this?