This is the reality of what Israel is doing (part 3)

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/15/babies-children-gaza-famine

Continuation of the previous thread.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/conflict-in-the-middle-east/5018751-this-is-the-reality-of-what-israel-is-doing-part-2?page=39&reply=134623626

It is unthinkable.

Was this really supposed to be a safe section of Rafah? Do you have a map of the spaces ( I am not disbelieving you, but don’t understand how this could be so indiscriminate).

I don't @ScrollingLeaves sorry. It's all coming out of Instagram at the moment. So much footage and obviously there aren't any journalists there to report on these things. But from what I've seen it's in a UNWRA centre for the displaced. No surprised the Knesset have just passed a draft bill that aim to sever ties with them and designated them a terrorist organisation.

@Finallyloggedin posted this on another thread

x.com/malsaafin/status/1794805990812180969

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1794826941209702699.html

This evil man does not represent all Israelis, but he will not be alone. It must be people like him who are intentionally making sure not to miss the opportunity for collateral damage, and shooting children, and burning people alive tents.
A war criminal surely, in his own words.

Awful and shameful. Sadly he's not alone in his thinking and intentions.

From Haaretz.

There are posters who explain that this faction is not taken seriously, and that they do not represent Israelis, but they seem to be behind this disproportionate, harmful destruction of Palestinians. They seem to have too much power.

"In Gaza, in the West Bank and in bases in Israel, soldiers record themselves destroying Palestinian property and civilian infrastructure, blowing up homes without permission and spreading political messages identified with the far right. What is photographed and distributed is only the tip of the iceberg: The vast majority of offenses are committed beyond the range of the cameras, and in the vast majority of these cases, the army responds weakly, if at all" – Amos Harel

Article in the BBC this morning about violence in the West Bank.

I find it crazy that things like this keep happening in a place where people argue there is a democracy and equal rights for all. I can’t imagine this happening here.

The extreme and unchecked hatred of this particular group is scary. I would be interested to hear what actions are being taken in Israel to deescalate the cycle of violence.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-69052857

^Share in all the groups! Revenge must be taken against
the Nazi enemy
21:01^

^Everyone is joining!!! Jews demand R-E-V-E-N-G-E!!!!
21:12^

I had understood it to be taboo to mention Nazis in connection to Jewish people, understandably. But they have no compunction in using the word to validate their own Klu klux klan like behaviour.

Klu Klux klan - that's a new equivalence you're going for. Are you saying this is about skin colour?

Tbf which country is more likely to have a lynch mob?

@quantumbutterfly Israel literally does have loads of lynch mobs - illegal settlers, idf, military arresting children, etc, etc.

Its astonishing that what happened in Rafah last night has not even shaken your support for Israeli actions.

It was those settlers using Nazi equivalence.

The pot calling the kettle black.

Klu Klux klan - that's a new equivalence you're going for. Are you saying this is about skin colour? @quantumbutterfly no not about skin colour but about mob lynch mentality.

On this one of many occasions, it was the Israelis…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_Ramallah_lynching

https://jcpa.org/summary-executions-in-the-west-bank-the-disintegration-of-palestinian-society/

https://www.law.com/newyorklawjournal/2023/11/08/hamas-is-guilty-of-genocidal-lynching/?slreturn=20240427102727

https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel-at-war/1700990753-we-thought-we-were-about-to-be-lynched-by-mob-on-way-out-of-gaza

@Finallyloggedin I am on the side of peaceful settlement. should I think all Palestinians are like those in these links.

https://www.channel4.com/programmes/kill-zone-inside-gaza-dispatches

On channel 4 tonight...

I know it's important to bear witness of what is happening and to listen to these children but I can't bear it.

I know what you mean. I can’t bear it. I don’t click on too many of the links posted either. I’d rather read about what has happened because I sometimes think seeing video evidence can be almost as traumatising as being a witness in real time. I also think we can become desensitised if we see too much brutality. But maybe Im just being cowardly..

I think we need to protect our mental health and, like you, I also read accounts of what happened. I don't watch the videos.
For me, it is also because I was exposed to the horrors of WW2 at school as a young teenager and from hearing stories from my family, who lived under German occupation. My dad had also books (with photos) on the subject which I read. All this traumatised me.

This article from Haaretz gives reassurance that there are definitely Israelis who want peace for Palestinians and Israelis alike:

Excerpt:

Society So Indifferent to Death and Destruction Has Already Lost the War

Only those who are weak feel a need to unleash such exaggerated force, and are indifferent to the killing of thousands of children, as Israel has done in Gaza

Credit: AHMAD GHARABLI / AFP

Amit Varshizky
May 25, 2024

The video of Razan Muneer Arafat, an 11-year-old girl from Rafah, is stuck relentlessly in my mind. Razan lost her entire family and also one of her legs when the Israel Air Force bombed the building where she lived. Her heartrending weeping haunts me, just as I was haunted by the weeping of Yael Idan, from Kibbutz Nahal Oz, in a video shot by Hamas on that accursed day. The mind finds it difficult to take in the sight of the anguished girl begging for her leg to be restored to her, just as it was difficult for the mind to take in the sight of the girl from Nahal Oz begging for her just-murdered sister to be restored to her.

The faces of Razan and Yael are the true faces of the war. Not the heroic deeds, not the intrepid operations or the fire-breathing speeches – but the terrified, helpless expressions on the faces of two innocent girls who suddenly found themselves hurled into an inferno. Two tragic specks swept up and swallowed by the torrent of vast historical events. The chroniclers of the conflict and historians of war will not write about them. They are doomed to oblivion, like so many of the victims and orphans on both sides.

<a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/2024.05.26-144826/www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-05-25/ty-article-magazine/.highlight/a-society-so-indifferent-to-death-and-destruction-has-already-lost-the-war/0000018f-a53d-d807-a7df-a53fb0370000" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://archive.ph/2024.05.26-144826/www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-05-25/ty-article-magazine/.highlight/a-society-so-indifferent-to-death-and-destruction-has-already-lost-the-war/0000018f-a53d-d807-a7df-a53fb0370000

If this link does not work you can try the headline in archive ph

From the same Haaretz article:

For what is the point of winning the war and losing our souls? What is achieved by <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/pECHr/www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-05-19/ty-article/.premium/israels-far-right-minister-smotrich-calls-to-occupy-gaza-take-over-south-lebanon/0000018f-90d7-d926-a18f-f5d7564d0000" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">hoisting the flag of Israel over the ruins of Hamas' parliament building if along the way we have forgone everything in whose name we went to war, everything that renders our way just and differentiates us from our enemies? Indeed, does anyone believe that a society that turns away from the suffering of a child of the enemy will not, in time, be indifferent to the suffering of its own children as well?

( At that last sentence, think of indifference to their suffering shown by the IDF in sending back the very young IDF female border surveillance soldiers who survived brutal murder or capture Oct 7 to the very scene of the trauma they endured.)

@quantumbutterfly the links you posted suggest to me you really haven’t been following the daily, or rather hourly, crimes against humanity Israel have been committing. As someone living, I presume, in Israel, surely you have a moral duty to keep abreast of the violence being committed in your name.

what do you mean by “I am on the side of peaceful settlement. should I think all Palestinians are in the ones in the link.”

did you mean to put a question mark at the end?

also what is ‘peaceful settlement’?

https://x.com/alonleegreen/status/1795006110283251831?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

If you are in Israel, this is what you should be doing.

my conscience is clear.

https://x.com/nournaim88/status/1795183302686474567?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

oh really, when this is being done in your name?