This is the reality of what Israel is doing (part 3)

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/15/babies-children-gaza-famine

Continuation of the previous thread.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/conflict-in-the-middle-east/5018751-this-is-the-reality-of-what-israel-is-doing-part-2?page=39&reply=134623626

As if these people haven't suffered enough - and that pier will need to be finished in time

Israel’s defence ministry has bought 40,000 tents, each with the capacity for 10 to 12 people, for Palestinians relocated from Rafah, Israeli government sources have told Reuters.

Government sources told the news agency prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s war cabinet planned to meet in the coming two weeks to authorise civilian evacuations – expected to take around a month – as the first stage of the Rafah sweep.

Wow. Blame 'England'.

There are numerous conflicts, terrorism in various countries with atrocities perpetuated around the World and people dying of famine in many countries.

Why don't you ask Where's Egypt, Saudi, Dubai, The UAE, other countries actually in the region.

Ukraine is being invaded by Russia and over 2 years defending itself now. Gaza is on the news daily, it's talked about constantly. The UN hold numerous meetings.

Unlike other countries Palestine has its own charity organisations specific to them and them alone. Huge amounts of aid sent, boats, aircraft, lorry loads. Huge aid package from numerous countries announced again today. There are some ridiculously wealthy countries in the Middle East

There are hundreds and hundreds of threads discussing the conflict on Gaza. More so than discussing any other conflict, famine or tragedy.

But hey ho it's England's fault. Once Hamas decides the people actually matter and the Israeli government feel they have stopped the terrorists enough to prevent 7 oct again? It's on both those not on England.

No wonder people avoid the topic. It's pointless and you do Gaza no favours blaming.

Driven away from the threads by constant blame towards people who don't agree on everything the regulars say? 🙄 I've noticed many people stop posting.

I post more in the light hearted threads now since get fed up. Driving people away with constant whinging about others doesn't help. It's boring and won't help the situation at all.

@Factsareimportantplease I've noticed some posts (your recent posts above as an example) jumping on people who express sadness and despair, with whataboutery, telling people their concern is misplaced and they should be off looking at other conflicts. Maybe posts like yours drive people away and is why some people don't post so much on the boards these days.

I've seen a lot of regular names stop posting so much, probably because of the intense pushback they face from some posters, calling them out for daring to express genuine upset and concern about a horrible and nasty war against a people who are in the one of the direst situations. And yet they face whataboutery and get told it's "pointless" for highlighting it. 🤔

Thank you for your response.

My post above shows how much gaza is discussed. It's not ignored but people do have and are allowed different views. Thankfully, a lot of aid is sent to help. Gaza is in the news daily but its not an easy situation to resolve.

There are plenty of pro Palestine threads, threads about the awful conditions, threads about what Israel are doing, numerous threads often started by the same people. Posters blaming 'England ' suggesting we are sick, really don't help at all. Not much concern about Israeli people concerns about long term safety against an organisation intending to wipe them out.

I'll join the no longer bothering MN ers then since anything other than dreadful Israel is welcome. People in England are not sick. For a tiny country, lots of aid, help, etc is given around the world.

@Factsareimportantplease if a "lot of aid" is sent, why is Gaza close to famine, please?

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/risk-famine-very-high-gaza-especially-north-us-official-says-2024-04-23/

It's not anywhere near enough. It doesn't have to be that way. it is a political choice.

You should be disgusted and outraged that children are orphaned daily, having limbs removed without anaesthetic, and desperately scrabbling around scooping up bits of contaminated flour from the ground to have something to eat.

But apparently our concern is "misplaced" and unhelpful and we should move our focus away.

And whilst the overall conflict may be harder to resolve, it is certainly easy for Israel to resolve the famine, the inadequate aid and healthcare and allow an adequate, co-ordinated, effective relief response.

@Factsareimportantplease
"Not much concern about Israeli people concerns about long term safety against an organisation intending to wipe them out."

Israel's intentions are actually in progress and the Palestinians ARE being wiped out as we speak.

Do you actually bother to read what others have said or just spin it to what you think they have said 😂 it's pointless engaging with you at all. You carry on, purposely misinterpreting, you're doing a grand job. That was intentional sarcasm.

As I said I won't engage with you any more. I won't read any more of your purposeful misinterpretations. More important things to do 🙄 you won't help the situation at all, although you don't appear to realise that though.

@Factsareimportantplease okey dokey.

I'm just curious to know why some posters are so desperate for the real facts not to be shown and repeatedly encourage people not to post, and pile on with whataboutery and distraction and misinformation.

I suspect it is because in highlighting what is going on it does help Gazans. By bringing it to people's attention. If the world ignores it then it will continue longer, harder and will never be challenged. We cannot allow this gross mistreatment of civilians to go unreported, ignored.

Speak up more, I say!

Oh and the other reason I suspect some posters are desperate for people to stop talking about the situation is what is happening makes them feel deeply uncomfortable yet they are unable to face it. The reality is so dire it's easier to make out it is "not that bad", that "lots of aid" is coming in etc etc etc. People don't want to feel the discomfort the truth brings.

https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/04/1148821
As many will know, the independent investigation into the Israeli allegations that 12 UNRWA staff members participated in October 7th and some, up to 10%, are members of Hamas was published two days ago stating there is ZERO evidence of this found by them or provided by Israel.

These allegations caused a loss of $450 million in funding from major donor countries. The U.K. was one and despite this report has not made any indication of restarting aid funding. The lack of funds has hobbled the delivery of humanitarian aid to Gaza, contributing to the universal malnutrition and increasing famine in the besieged strip. The IDF destruction of agricultural land and water sources has further contributed to the starvation.

The pp comparing the UK’s actions today to the UK’s actions that caused the famine in Ireland isn’t far off the mark. There are parallels and our government is making the choice to stop food aid when it is most desperately needed by a captive population who cannot escape the area. At least many Irish could get on a boat and escape Ireland during that famine. Gazans cannot escape the ongoing famine they are trapped in.

Choosing not to help is a choice and yes the UK is responsible for any and all consequences of its choices.

@Factsareimportantplease re: "Blame England" - are you suggesting that the actions of the English government at the time of the Irish potato famine weren't deserving of some criticism?

I saw that video. I don’t think I have ever felt such despair in response to a news story before. Her parents and three year old (so also a baby) sister were killed.

it is hard to believe this is about Hamas.

@Allthatwegotisthispalebluedot this isn't about Hamas any more. It's about genocide, land and resources, and some bitter men wanting more power.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68891216

Mothers search mass grave sites for the bodies of their children.

Wives and daughters search for husbands and fathers.

This is not just. This is not unavoidable.

This is not only the reality of what Israel is doing; it is the reality of what all complicit countries are doing.

@Scirocco heartbreaking 💔

Many men were detained and not allowed to leave Al Nasser. I have seen videos where the mothers and wives have gone back to see if they can identify any of their loved ones that are being dug up from the mass graves.

Sky news have done their own analysis on it, from the acticle

Analysis of satellite imagery and social media shows how dozens of bodies were interred in mass graves during Israel's weeks-long siege of the hospital, and how these graves were subsequently bulldozed while Israel occupied the complex.

This is the full article but I should warn it is a tough read.

https://news.sky.com/story/israel-bulldozed-mass-graves-at-gaza-hospital-sky-news-analysis-shows-13121638

One of my friends who was at Al Shifa is still missing. Every time I see these articles I'm almost scared to read them in case it's reported that his body has been found. Which doesn't make much sense because whether his name appears in an article or not isn't going to change whether or not he's dead. I hope he's alive, but at the same time, if he is dead, I hope someone finds him. He deserves better than an unmarked, disrespected mass grave. His family deserves better.

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@Scirocco I hope your friend is found soon and is safe. His poor family must be distraught

@EasterIssland that poor man and his family. I hope their faith can be a comfort to them through their grief, that they can be reunited and have justice in the next life.

@Kindatired thank you.

I don’t post but I DO read. I agree with your post.

The aggressive nasty push back on these threads is interesting, it kind of mirrors what is happening.

I think many Israelis see themselves as Ukraine as did most of the world after Oct 7th. But as soon as the IDF started their slaughter it was clear they are the Russia.

I am old enough to remember Sept 11th. The world was so sad for America. When they went for all out carnage in revenge people reacted against them. Humans don’t like slaughter of other humans just because you can.

I think people stop posting here because of the nasty posters but they don’t stop thinking, marching, or writing letters etc. I have stopped buying all Israeli goods. So have most of my friends and we quietly encourage everyone we know to do so.

it is time for an economic boycott, like against South Africa. But, with America giving it $3 billion plus a year it is hard to see how it would Impact.