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Vittuunterroristit · 06/07/2024 17:22

ScrollingLeaves · 06/07/2024 16:55

Although given the excuses you made on another thread for someone laughing at the victims of October 7th I doubt that bothers you much

Please would you avoid sarcastic personal attacks of this kind?
They could be thrown in all directions when it comes down to it.

It wasn't sarcasm.

keenforhelp · 06/07/2024 18:30

No sarcasm

Kindatired · 06/07/2024 21:33

The signatories of the letter are the most amazing people- writers, artists, a biophysicist. They are all longstanding activists,.
One of them has written before :
Be tolerant and get to know other people so you won't fall for stereotyping. We were stereotyped, and that led to anti-Semitism. Also, don’t be a bystander. The people who saved both my mother and I were normal people who took a position”
They’re not alone. i
In November, ten Illinois based Holocaust survivors signed a
letter which included the call:
We must lay down our arms and stretch out our hands."

Finallyloggedin · 06/07/2024 22:21

Kindatired · 06/07/2024 21:33

The signatories of the letter are the most amazing people- writers, artists, a biophysicist. They are all longstanding activists,.
One of them has written before :
Be tolerant and get to know other people so you won't fall for stereotyping. We were stereotyped, and that led to anti-Semitism. Also, don’t be a bystander. The people who saved both my mother and I were normal people who took a position”
They’re not alone. i
In November, ten Illinois based Holocaust survivors signed a
letter which included the call:
We must lay down our arms and stretch out our hands."

“We must lay down our arms and stretch out our hands” ❤️ So true.

Thank you @Kindatired

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Finallyloggedin · 08/07/2024 18:43

Alon Mizrahi, Israeli Jewish commentator, on the Hannibal Directive:

”Hannibal Directive

  1. It has been my suspicion for a long time that Israel killed a great number of its own casualties on October 7. We know about dozens who died at IDF hands for certain already, but the scale of the use of Hannibal Directive is only gradually coming out.

Today in Haaretz, Yaniv Kubovich, one of Israel's finest journalists, provides a peek into how extensive the use of that directive was on the day.

For long hours of October 7, 'No vehicle is going back into Gaza' was the standing order, Kubovich reveals. IDF forces were ordered to make the area between Israel and Gaza a death zone for everyone and anything.

  1. What does it even mean that a military has an order to eliminate its own soldiers and civilians if there's a suspicion they are being kidnapped? Has any military in history given such an order to its troops? What does it mean about the psychology of Israeli soldiers, who may be required to kill their comrades at any given moment? How can actual camaraderie develop under such conditions? Has anybody given serious thought to this lunatic policy and its devastating meaning? Or was it done, in standard Israeli fashion, as a brain fart improvisation that stuck?
  1. Rules always expand and encroach, and so, inevitably, the Hanibal Directive is applied more frequently for more situations that may have been considered gray areas under the former, softer insanity. But think about the mentality of high-ranking Israeli officers, who are basically given sweeping permission to eliminate their subordinates when a kidnapping is suspected. Can they see they're soldiers as important human beings that matter under such conditions? Of course not.
  1. Palestinians are said to be the religious crazies who don't value life, but we've never seen Hamas members shoot at their own to prevent them from falling into Israeli hands - even as they know what awaits them in captivity: unimaginable torture and humiliation potentially to death.

Israel is always (and quite comically, at this stage) presented as a normal and life-loving vibrant democracy, but what does it say about its mental health such an order exists?

  1. Can you imagine what would happen if it was discovered that American or British soldiers killed dozens or hundreds of their own service men and women, and civilians, 'to prevent them from being kidnapped'? Could you imagine the complete and devastating outrage? In Israel, it is not even news. It doesn't matter. It's a smallish side issue we don't talk about.
  1. The Hannibal Directive lets us see the breathtaking derangement of Zionism: it creates people who would rather kill their own than have to deal with an enemy as a human equal. Once an Israeli becomes a hostage, their existence is perceived as a threat to collective pride, which is more important than life, making them an unbearable burden. I'd say there is a more pressing need to kill potential hostages than the people who took them, as they embody leverage that can potentially diminish Israel's sense of absolute human superiority.

And this is so insane, so extreme, so bizarre and uncanny that no establishment can even recognize it and its meaning, so everyone acts as if this utterly clinical show of deadly exceptionalism does not even exist”

sorry about the numbering, it has done something strange with the copy and paste but it won’t let me change it!

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Finallyloggedin · 08/07/2024 20:33

“I am Jewish and Israeli and a patriot and care deeply for my society and my people, and I know beyond a shadow of a doubt: this is not what security looks like. The reality we create in Gaza is not only bad for the Palestinians. This reality of total destruction and killing is bad for the abductees, bad for our people, bad for the possibility of life in this country.

Only peace, political order, will bring security”

Alon Lee Green, Standing Together, via X.

https://x.com/alonleegreen/status/1810368502030823605?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

x.com

https://x.com/alonleegreen/status/1810368502030823605?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

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AhNowTed · 08/07/2024 20:56

Finallyloggedin · 08/07/2024 20:33

“I am Jewish and Israeli and a patriot and care deeply for my society and my people, and I know beyond a shadow of a doubt: this is not what security looks like. The reality we create in Gaza is not only bad for the Palestinians. This reality of total destruction and killing is bad for the abductees, bad for our people, bad for the possibility of life in this country.

Only peace, political order, will bring security”

Alon Lee Green, Standing Together, via X.

https://x.com/alonleegreen/status/1810368502030823605?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

The video accompanying that X post is truly shocking.

How can anyone pretend this was "targeted".

How can anyone con themselves, let alone other people, that this is in anyway justified.

Vittuunterroristit · 11/07/2024 09:57

BelleHathor · 18/06/2024 10:18

No problem at all @Finallyloggedin a lot of pro Palestinian spaces get mass reported to Twitter, resulting in them "crashing" or people not being able to join, you're in good company one of the hosts was also unable to join and the space crashed 3 times! I will post the summary from Hala later tonight.

On Mehdi, wowsers pure fire, impossible to argue against him, like he said Shameless! I wonder if the his bosses who fired him last year regret cutting his strings allowing him to be more free. He was the first of many of many who dared criticize the Israeli Government that lost their jobs who are not backing down, just like Briahna Joy Gray who lost her job last week at the Hill, here is an interview she did with Candace Owens (contract also not renewed ;-)lol!)

Your antisemitic hero Candice Owens has jumped the shark into nazi apologism.

https://archive.is/UCqh3

Finallyloggedin · 12/07/2024 17:07

Miriam Margolyes on the Jewish Council of Australia statement and the importance of all people speaking out against Israel’s actions.

https://x.com/bladeofthes/status/1811719093948416273?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

x.com

https://x.com/bladeofthes/status/1811719093948416273?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

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