Bearing Witness to the genocide - Israeli Academic Lee Mordechai

[Finallyloggedin]

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1780034934444331325.html?utm_campaign=topunroll

Thanks for that article @ScrollingLeaves - it’s very scary stuff. I’m interested how the far right movement have generally latched in to this issue as well. Feeding into their whole anti Islamic , great replacement theories in Europe.

Israel has used it Hasbara tools to spread disinformation about atrocities both real and imagined to justify its mass murder, maiming, rape and torture of Palestinians

Selective investigations will be allowed only by Israel itself, even in the cases where their side is the victim leaving nothing to be trusted from them

https://www.thetimes.com/magazines/the-times-magazine/article/israel-hamas-rape-investigation-evidence-october-7-6kzphszsj#:

No, it wouldn't be. And you know it.

https://www.thetimes.com/magazines/the-times-magazine/article/israel-hamas-rape-investigation-evidence-october-7-6kzphszsj#:

Thanks to @Tienne for the initial link. This article describes some of the challenges encountered by people seeking the truth about the use of sexual violence in the horrible events of October 7th as well as the experiences of the innocent people taken hostage.

I'm getting seriously sick of this 'human shields' crap. It is a hasbara line to justify the genocide so that Gaza is empty and ready for settlement. In such a tiny strip of land there will always be masses of civilians around 'Hamas'. That is convenient for Israel.
It is not Hamas getting the civilians to 'follow them and shield them'. It is the Israelis directing them to 'safe' places and bombing the hell out them. Their justification? Because a certain Hamas battalion was there.
Are people really that naive? So Israel knows exactly which battalion is hiding and where and can directly destroy them, yet on the 7th October, the world's most sophisticated army did not notice Hamas fighters smashing through the border in the most 'unsophisticated' way. And then when it did, did nothing to stop them UNTIL Hamas killed enough people to get the Israeli propaganda machine in motion. With a little help from the Hannibal Protocol so that the world believes Hamas killed more than they did (and before I'm lectured at I condemn those killings) .
And the hostages? Hamas would not kill them as they are extremely valuable bargaining tools. Does Israel really think they are alive with all the indiscriminate bombing and orders to move to 'safe' places? Of course not. But they will blame Hamas.
And finally, a message to certain posters from other topics: I will not be replying to you as you twist my words and play faux innocent. I'm done with that.

@BibiSuzanne

Totally. A shield implies protection.

When did Israel even hesitate to bomb them all anyway.

There is zero shield to genocidal maniacs.

This is a very important article, reporting on the findings of detailed and serious investigation all be it not one as extensive as a full scale legal one.

Thank you for posting it.

How complex the situation is and how elusive the full truth regarding the extent of systematic rape of Israeli women at the hands of Hamas.

Everyone should read this I think. It shows that all the reports that came out were not necessarily true; but at the same time it is not saying at all that no rapes or sexual abuse took place.

It is interesting and welcome that Patten feels that a much fuller, official, legal investigation should be carried out, though so much forensic evidence was lost at the outset, and that it should include, not only the rapes of Israeli women, but also credible alleged rapes of Palestinian women. It is frustrating that this has been refused (on both counts).

The real worry remains about the hostage Israeli young female conscripts.

A ceasefire to get them free should be a priority. It is awful to think there may be use of the idea of widespread rape for hasbara purposes, while at the same time these girls are being left at the mercy of their male captors.

That's a really interesting article. It saddens me that there will never be proper investigations into the atrocities commited by Hamas and the same for the atrocities commited by Israel. Everything has been cloaked in secrecy and lies, for those that want legal justice it is impossible to imagine that that will ever be allowed to happen. Perhaps if some day international bodies are allowed into Palestine they may be able to try and piece together something but it will certainly be a mammoth task that spans over years and years. I doubt that international bodies will ever be allowed to investigate in Israel, I cannot see them ever allowing that.

Human rights watch, Amnesty international and Israeli human rights organisations have released reports of previous conflicts. They wouldn’t be allowed in per say / but they’ll use partners on the ground, satellite images and the verification of images and videos we are seeing coming from Gaza now.

All dismissed as antisemitism by the Israeli authorities and their supporters of course,

https://x.com/owenjones84/status/1799800840925880424?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

Owen Jones - “lsrael has lost”

Currently watching the resignations, Gantz and Eisenkot resigned, as did the military head of the Gaza operation and another high ranking person. So it would appear that Owen is correct.

P.s. unrelated, perhaps? but Macron has called for elections in France too.

@BelleHathor this is good to hear, although very scary that Netanyahu will be even more influenced by the far right fanatics, although they pretty much seem to be in charge anyway, don’t they?

Interesting thread from Greg J Stoker -

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1799538488812941594.html

@Finallyloggedin Blinken is flying out tomorrow to apparently speak to Netanyahu and Gantz. Remember a few months ago Gantz went to Washington and Netanyahu threw a fit? Apparently Gantz is the one that the Americans want to replace Netanyahu. It's quite likely that he would have consulted them before resigning due to his popularity falling.

It's quite complicated, there is a guy called Lieberman who potentially could have replaced Gantz, but Netanyahu betrayed him 2021 so Lieberman hates him.

He could possibly move the crazies in like Ben Gvir, but they're delusional enough to actually go to war in Lebanon which would be a disaster for Israel. Hezbollah forced a F16 plane out of Lebanese airspace today.

All in all it's a mess, the thing to watch though are the military resignations.

Here is an article on the state of the IDF:
https://www.israeldefense.co.il/en/node/62113

And an article by Dan Cohen
https://www.uncaptured.media/p/eight-months-into-the-gaza-war-a

It is interesting to see this about the precarious state of the IDF. Before noticing your post, I had added a link on another thread to an article on the same subject by Dan Cohen June 3
Eight months into the Gaza war, a depleted Israeli military is on the brink of “collapse”
https://www.uncaptured.media/p/eight-months-into-the-gaza-war-a

and one by Brigadier Itzhak Brik (to whom Cohen referred ), in The Jerusalem Post June 7;
The current war cabinet is leading the people of Israel into the abyss - opinion
https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-804332

@BelleHathor my apologies, as I see you already posted the same Dan Cohen article. I misread.

Don't apologise @ScrollingLeaves , it's a great article that deserves to be read (many times!). It seems that in addition to completely wanting to annihilate Palestinians, Netanyahu and his government do not care about what their orders will do to Israeli Soldiers in terms of their mental health and what this will mean in the future for Israeli society.

Thanks @BelleHathor and @ScrollingLeaves , I’ve just read through all those links. I don’t usually read Israeli news sites which are explicitly pro the government and idf, so it was really interesting to see that even on these, the consensus is the same in the fact that Israel cannot achieve its reported military aims. (I’m still not convinced that genocide itself isn’t the aim tbh 😭 )

Also loved the Dan Cohen article, thank you.

It’s crazy that the whole Israeli government (not just Netanyahu) would rather ruin the entire country rather than change their path.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1800169338214953149.html

Ori Goldberg with another great thread.

I'm saying it again, but Ori gets it and articulates it so well.
The constant dehumanisation of Palestinians by certain pro people has shocked ordinary folk and instead of looking "powerful" it shows a disconnect, severe lack of self awareness or even basic self preservation.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1800629121736970458.html

https://www.democracynow.org/2024/6/11/harrison_mann_resignation_gaza_war

Ilan Pappe (Israeli historian) on the origins of Zionism

https://x.com/middleeastmnt/status/1800914022172127686?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

Listen to what this James Elder from UNICEF says. Atrocious that people still deny what Palestinians go through.