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HeidiInTheBigCity · 17/02/2024 23:39

Rangelife · 17/02/2024 22:01

I saw the post. There is never ever a reason to place any value judgement or speculation, at any time, in any place, for any reason, on the murder of any children. There is nothing more to state but 'That is an abhorrent act'. Nothing else. Musing any further is heinous. I'm surprised the poster has not been banned. What is happening to people?

I saw the post too!

In a nutshell, it was roughly [and I am paraphrasing because I do not want to be deleted, too] saying:

"Well, essentially maybe sometimes unpleasant stuff about children is necessary because they might potentially grow up to be bad people".

10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 18/02/2024 01:02

Snowypeak · 17/02/2024 17:07

@fleurneige
It’s unbelievable.

And to 10Usernames - I won’t argue with you about the teaching. We keep being told about all the hate that Palestinian children are taught and I’m sure there is some so I didn’t want to say it doesn’t exist - but I must say I’ve seen some far more chilling videos from Israeli classrooms. Talk of making Arabs their slaves. Stuff you wouldn’t believe an adult in this day and age could teach a child in a school.

That's absolutely horrendous. 😢 Can you post some links to them here or make another thread about it? I may have seen one or two of them, but I think other people here would benefit from seeing what we're up against. ☹️

Fussandmisery · 18/02/2024 07:44

madderthanahatter · 17/02/2024 13:16

Whilst the Israeli impulse to seek vengeance is understandable

This is what I don't get. Israel have been oppressing, occupying, killing and torturing Palestinians for decades. The numbers from the last twenty years alone show this is not some sort of tit for tat conflict.
Hamas killed 1600+ people on 7/10. So many more Palestinians have been killed prior to this, and 25k+ in the last 100 or so days. So why is Israel's impulse to seek vengeance understandable? Should it not be the other way around?

Yes, Israel are within their rights to defend themselves but vengeance? Hamas would say October the 7th was vengeance.

Snowypeak · 18/02/2024 11:13

10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 18/02/2024 01:02

That's absolutely horrendous. 😢 Can you post some links to them here or make another thread about it? I may have seen one or two of them, but I think other people here would benefit from seeing what we're up against. ☹️

Yes. Freely available on google. Here you go.
Israeli classroom

10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 18/02/2024 11:19

Fussandmisery · 18/02/2024 07:44

Yes, Israel are within their rights to defend themselves but vengeance? Hamas would say October the 7th was vengeance.

You're right of course, what Israel is doing is vengeance. Except under international law, as an occupier Israel does not have the right to self defense at all against a threat coming from the territory (which includes Gaza) that it occupies.

https://twitter.com/sahouraxo/status/1726604117299404938

https://twitter.com/sahouraxo/status/1726604117299404938

Snowypeak · 18/02/2024 11:31

I’m sure that many other Israelis would feel disgusted at what was going on in the video of that classroom above.

Not saying other countries are perfect either. But the fact is, under the current regime, this is the language being propagated in at least some Israeli schools and by any standards it’s pretty out there. If this is what they teach their children Israel will always be a malign force in the area, paranoid, bristling with weapons, hated and hating, ready to kill or be killed.

kirinm · 18/02/2024 18:00

Anybody that still supports what the Israeli government is doing is just disgusting. There is no 'but Hamas' or anything else anymore.

The murder of 1200 people however brutal does not warrant the murder of 30,000 people. The accounts of doctors who have been to Gaza is fucking horrific.

Blackkittypoo · 18/02/2024 18:10

@Rangelife "I'm surprised the poster has not been banned. "

Well I haven't, I'm still here and no-one at MN HQ has contacted me about the post in question.

I haven't been told why it was removed and only 3 people on this thread have claimed to find it 'inappropriate'. Interestingly some other comments have been removed, so it looks like a case of "glass houses and stones".

inkworks273 · 18/02/2024 18:16

x.com/nournaim88/status/1759259304685711857?s=46

"Heart wrenching: this baby will sleep tonight in the mortuary, not in his father's arms !

Yesterday was his first birthday. The Israeli army gifted him a missile, ending his life at only one year old"

The reality of what Israel is doing.

Blackkittypoo · 18/02/2024 18:17

10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 18/02/2024 11:19

You're right of course, what Israel is doing is vengeance. Except under international law, as an occupier Israel does not have the right to self defense at all against a threat coming from the territory (which includes Gaza) that it occupies.

https://twitter.com/sahouraxo/status/1726604117299404938

Edited

Interesting but Hamas said different.

Have they changed their minds??

https://www.hudson.org/foreign-policy/gaza-not-occupied-says-hamas-so-where-is-the-un-

Gaza Not Occupied, Says Hamas, So Where Is the UN?

In a stunning about-face, and after decades of violence justified by excuses of being under occupation, Hamas recently admitted that Gaza is not occupied by Israel. And yet, the United Nations, which has long been reluctant to acknowledge Gaza's change...

https://www.hudson.org/foreign-policy/gaza-not-occupied-says-hamas-so-where-is-the-un-

Blackkittypoo · 18/02/2024 18:29

@10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne Some different opinions here,

It seems it's a disputed point?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/07/02/does-israel-actually-occupy-the-gaza-strip/

Blackkittypoo · 18/02/2024 19:37

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ScrollingLeaves · 18/02/2024 21:39

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It will be increasingly a problem to know what is AI or not, but I would give that man grieving the death of his baby the benefit of the doubt that he is not an AI creation.

It is not as though there aren’t thousands of verified killed babies there.

Babyboomtastic · 18/02/2024 22:53

Blackkittypoo · 18/02/2024 18:29

@10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne Some different opinions here,

It seems it's a disputed point?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/07/02/does-israel-actually-occupy-the-gaza-strip/

Not disputed in international law.

madderthanahatter · 18/02/2024 23:03

Blackkittypoo · 18/02/2024 18:10

@Rangelife "I'm surprised the poster has not been banned. "

Well I haven't, I'm still here and no-one at MN HQ has contacted me about the post in question.

I haven't been told why it was removed and only 3 people on this thread have claimed to find it 'inappropriate'. Interestingly some other comments have been removed, so it looks like a case of "glass houses and stones".

MN don't inform a poster when their post is deleted. They just post a link to their talk guidelines.

10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 19/02/2024 07:30

Blackkittypoo · 18/02/2024 18:17

Interesting but Hamas said different.

Have they changed their minds??

https://www.hudson.org/foreign-policy/gaza-not-occupied-says-hamas-so-where-is-the-un-

What makes you think I care about what Hamas says? Gaza is occupied under international law and occupiers don't have the right to self defence against the occupied. That's all there is to it.

10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 19/02/2024 08:05

Snowypeak · 18/02/2024 11:13

Yes. Freely available on google. Here you go.
Israeli classroom

Thank you! 😀

Blackkittypoo · 19/02/2024 09:47

@10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne

"What makes you think I care about what Hamas says?"

Because Hamas are the elected government in Gaza - or don't you believe in democracy?

Snowypeak · 19/02/2024 10:39

Hamas was last elected in 2006. A lot of today’s adults didn’t vote for them, or vote at all. Not one of the 10000 children Israel has slaughtered in the last 4 months voted for them.

kirinm · 19/02/2024 11:24

Blackkittypoo · 19/02/2024 09:47

@10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne

"What makes you think I care about what Hamas says?"

Because Hamas are the elected government in Gaza - or don't you believe in democracy?

Ignoring the fact that there hasn't been an election in Gaza for 18 years, Israeli's voted for Netanyahu and he's an absolute monster.

Snowypeak · 19/02/2024 11:39

A monster who funded and encouraged Hamas in order to split Gaza from the West Bank.

10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 19/02/2024 11:59

kirinm · 19/02/2024 11:24

Ignoring the fact that there hasn't been an election in Gaza for 18 years, Israeli's voted for Netanyahu and he's an absolute monster.

Well said, kirinm.

10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 19/02/2024 12:09

Blackkittypoo · 19/02/2024 09:47

@10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne

"What makes you think I care about what Hamas says?"

Because Hamas are the elected government in Gaza - or don't you believe in democracy?

I don't care what either Hamas or Netanyahu says, because it's irrelevant to international law. The International law is the law no matter what either one of them say. And you know damn well there hasn't been an election in Gaza in 18 years. Also, all countries, democratic or not, must abide by international law.

FOJN · 19/02/2024 13:11

kirinm · 19/02/2024 11:24

Ignoring the fact that there hasn't been an election in Gaza for 18 years, Israeli's voted for Netanyahu and he's an absolute monster.

Don't forget the proud self confessed fascist and the convicted terrorist who are now members of the Netanyahu government.

Five elections in Israel since 2019.

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