This is the reality of what Israeli is doing.

[Eyesopenwideawake]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/10/im-so-scared-please-come-hind-rajab-six-found-dead-in-gaza-12-days-after-cry-for-help

@FOJN
i agree with what you say about a population being controlled by fear. It’s exactly what is happening.

How haunting, HeidiOnTheBigCity

It is as though, in his eyes, the beaten one’s existence was an irrelevance, or even a pestilence like a cockroach, assumed to be such by anyone ‘civilised’ like you (as he believed you must be) and him. It seems like viciously enacted racism.

Yes, this is what bothered me initially about the coverage of Israel/Gaza (less so now, thankfully). That we must all be automatically on the side of Israel because they were human, “like us”. The hundreds of Israeli victims’ names and photos being published while the thousands of dead Gazans were just random nameless bodies.

I think it came as a surprise to some that so many people cared just as much about those Gazan children as they did about the Israeli children.

The Israelis think and appear to have always thought they are victims of Palestinian violence, their violence towards the Palestinians is necessary and justified. Because many don't see Palestinians as human beings of equal worth 1600 dead Israelis is much worse than 25,000 Palestinians.

I think the shock and brutality of the attack genuinely felt like an existential threat and they wanted it dealt with at any cost. I can understand why they felt that way.

I am not claiming that represents an accurate or considered assessment of the threat but that I can understand why there would have been a desire and support for "act now, ask questions later" in the immediate aftermath of the attack.

That interview is very interesting, thank you for posting it. The effects of the Jewish education system in causing Jewish children to both fear and despise Palestinians is very clear; as is the Jewish education system’s intent to explete Palestinian’s own knowledge about themselves.

I note she has taken this interest in the plight of the Palestinians as created and maintained by the Israeli education system even though her own daughter was murdered in a Palestinian suicide raid.

On the other hand, haven’t we seen evidence posted on threads here that UNWRA schools were teaching anti-Israeli propaganda? Though if true that could well be an effect of the Israeli subjugation discussed in the interview.
She mentioned the common semantics of reversing cause and effect.

ScrollingLeaves-You are very welcome! I'm glad you found it interesting. The fact that she lost her child due to a suicide bombing and still has a deep empathy for the Palestinians struck a cord with me as well. She is a amazing women.

Even though there could be some anti-Israeli propaganda out there (which is, like you said, the effect of how Palestinians are treated), the accusation that there is wide-scale indoctrination is not possible. Palestinian education is too strictly controlled for that. I think the accusation that UNWRA schools teach hate is simply projection. I noticed that Israel and Israel supporters like to do a lot of projection. And also Israel HATES UNWRA and is willing to fling as much mud as possible at it until something sticks. You see this with the claims that UNWRA members are Hamas and took part in the October 7 attacks, which there is still no evidence for this.

To tell people of such a small land to flee to one part where they would be safe, wait for them to get there, in huge numbers without any facilities, and bomb them in their 1000s is a very very clever military tactic. It has a name GENOCIDE. And to tell those remaining that leaving for another country, where they are not welcome, and without the right to return, also has a name ETHNIC CLEANSING. Both diabolical and illegal too.

I struggle with the hypocrisy that it's apparently horrific when 'hate' is taught in Palestinian schools, but mandatory government training for Israeli 18yo's on how to actually kill Palestinians is fine.

@fleurneige
It’s unbelievable.

And to 10Usernames - I won’t argue with you about the teaching. We keep being told about all the hate that Palestinian children are taught and I’m sure there is some so I didn’t want to say it doesn’t exist - but I must say I’ve seen some far more chilling videos from Israeli classrooms. Talk of making Arabs their slaves. Stuff you wouldn’t believe an adult in this day and age could teach a child in a school.

I never said that and you know I didn't.

Stop making nasty disingenuous allegations without foundation.

You did.

You are just trying to deny it because it was deleted.

I deny it because it didn't happen.

You seem to be making stuff up.

@Blackkittypoo

I never said that and you know I didn't.

Stop making nasty disingenuous allegations without foundation.

Even if that wasn't what you meant, it's exactly what your post seemed to say. Which is why it was deleted.

Why do you think it got deleted?

Correct.

@Snowypeak "Interesting discussion above. "

That was in your post of 9.39.

It wasn't a discussion - it was some people hurling abuse at me because I flagged up an issue.

It's sad that some people are so quick to throw stones.

@whatsitcalledwhen it's exactly what your post seemed to say.

"Seemed to say "

The problem here is with your interpretation.

There's no reasoning with you is there?

I will ask MN why it was deleted (they certainly haven't contacted me about it) and ask for it to be re-instated.

@whatsitcalledwhen Why do youthink it got deleted?

I don't know, that's why I've contacted MN.

I doubt I'll get a response before Monday now.

I "denied it because it was deleted" ? What sort of crazy logic is that??

Maybe you should be much clearer when you're speaking about the murder of children.

If multiple people, including MN admins who felt it broke talk guidelines, found your post to be offensive / impossible to let stand then the issue might be with how you communicate your opinions. Rather than the way other people interpret them.

I disagree.

I am not responsible for what others think.

I take strong exception of being accused of supporting pedicide and will be taking this further.

Please do not contact me about this again.

@Blackkittypoo

I take strong exception of being accused of supporting pedicide and will be taking this further.

What an odd thing to say. You sound like you're going to write to my parents to complain or something.

It's a discussion forum. Your post was received poorly by a number of people who felt it was callous / offensive. That same post was deleted for breaking talk guidelines. I'm sure MN will confirm the specifics if you ask them.

Again, if multiple people react in the same way to your words then it's worth considering whether your choice of words might be the reason for the reaction, rather than assuming everyone is out to get you or something.

I'll leave you to it 👍🏻

I didn’t see the post. But I hope that nobody on either ‘side’ is ‘openly’ excusing or supporting the massacre of innocent kids, as is happening currently in devastating numbers in Palestine (and as happened to many Israeli kids on 7/10). That would be a seriously new low for MN posters.

Well said

I saw the post. There is never ever a reason to place any value judgement or speculation, at any time, in any place, for any reason, on the murder of any children. There is nothing more to state but 'That is an abhorrent act'. Nothing else. Musing any further is heinous. I'm surprised the poster has not been banned. What is happening to people?