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anotherfatyorkie · 08/02/2024 10:20

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ConnieCounter · 08/02/2024 10:27

sunick · 08/02/2024 10:17

How many thousands of rockets has Hamas fired into Israel since 7.10?
That's 7.10, before Israel took military action against Hamas.

How many people have been killed or seriously injured by those rockets? I've never seen a figure mentioned.

EasterIssland · 08/02/2024 10:28

we have had posters trying to take the first part of the this thread and other similar ones. Don’t feed those with that aim. And keep showing what is happening in Palestine.

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anotherfatyorkie · 08/02/2024 11:36

EasterIssland · 08/02/2024 10:28

we have had posters trying to take the first part of the this thread and other similar ones. Don’t feed those with that aim. And keep showing what is happening in Palestine.

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we have had posters trying to take the first part of the this thread and other similar ones.

What does that mean ??

PeasfullPerson · 08/02/2024 17:02

I can barely bring myself to read about all the death, destruction and cruelty that is happening in Gaza today.

I did read an article in the Guardian, and this part especially stood out to me.

Several veterans said they had not personally seen women or children killed or wounded, despite both groups comprising the majority of Gaza’s victims, which is possibly a consequence of most of these casualties being inflicted by long-range artillery or airstrikes some distance from most ground troops.

I imagine being able to avoid the very human consequence of your actions helps soldiers disconnect from the reality of what they are doing. I wonder if one day, many of them on reflection, will look back and feel very differently about it. What a privilege it will be for them to get the chance to do that.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/08/israeli-soldiers-idf-gaza-fighting-disaster-area

‘The destruction is massive … It’s a disaster area’: Israeli soldiers speak about fighting in Gaza

Exclusive: IDF troops shed light on their experience of fighting in the territory, where Palestinian casualties have passed 27,700

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/08/israeli-soldiers-idf-gaza-fighting-disaster-area

inkworks273 · 08/02/2024 17:39

x.com/ajenglish/status/1755378431640887791?s=46

"Hussam Al-Attar, a 15-year-old Palestinian boy, has been dubbed ‘Gaza’s Newton’. He’s successfully generated electricity, using scrap items to light up his displaced family’s tent"

Not sure if this has been posted before. What an amazing young man.

Kindatired · 08/02/2024 19:16

anotherfatyorkie · 08/02/2024 08:45

@Parkingt111 "I don't also agree with the way this war has been conducted against the Palestinians in a indiscriminate manner"

Unless you have the IDF's mission statement you can't say it's 'indiscriminate'.

"the unjustified deaths of thousands of children and made most of Gaza uninhabitable."

It is a tragic situation, but what would you have Israel do?

Hamas has inserted itself among citizens of Gaza to use as human shields.

What would you consider to be a 'proportionate response?

It is indiscriminate because about half of the missiles they are using are not targeted and therefore not suitable for using in an urban setting.

Israel‘s close military allies have condemned its approach- see above posts so most of the world does not accept the excuse “what would you have Israel do ?is not acceptable.

It must be admitted that 7/10 Hamas attack occurred against of some very very poor military decisions at every level ( eg no spare key for the gun room, ignored plans for a year, disregarded the accounts of women intelligence workers) . Why is it assumed the IDF know better than the Americans? Are you a bit of an armchair general yourself?

Clearly Israel’s response is clearly disproportionate both in the simple sense and in terms of the balance of harm to civilians in relation to achieving any of its poorly thought out stated war objectives leading us to believe that it’s underlying war objective is genocide. . Which brings us back to the title of this thread….

PeasfullPerson · 08/02/2024 19:27

Not sure which thread to put this on, but as it’s an accusation we often see thrown around on the Mumsnet boards, I thought it was relatable and wanted to put it somewhere.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/basketball/68243979

Ireland players stand for their anthem beside the team's bench before playing Israel

Ireland women's basketball team refuse to shake hands with Israel

Ireland women's basketball team refuse to shake hands with Israel before their EuroBasket 2025 qualifier in Riga.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/basketball/68243979

EasterIssland · 08/02/2024 19:29

PeasfullPerson · 08/02/2024 19:27

Not sure which thread to put this on, but as it’s an accusation we often see thrown around on the Mumsnet boards, I thought it was relatable and wanted to put it somewhere.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/basketball/68243979

I posted about something they did yesterday similar to this in the support for Gaza around the world thread

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sunick · 08/02/2024 20:13

How disgusting.
Interesting how the Nazi, raping, murdering terrorists get a free pass whilst some people pile into Israel.
Whatever could the cause be?

BackandForthRoundandRound · 08/02/2024 22:57

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C3GW--wgQjy/?igsh=Z3dyb3hyZW1tN2Ey Proud of preventing 132 aid trucks from entering... what a wonderful person

Instagram

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C3GW--wgQjy?igsh=Z3dyb3hyZW1tN2Ey

BackandForthRoundandRound · 08/02/2024 23:19

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C3FpW9Soqhb/?igsh=MnFvY3RuMDlnbDA2 Those poor babies... No words can describd this horror.

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https://www.instagram.com/reel/C3FpW9Soqhb?igsh=MnFvY3RuMDlnbDA2

anotherfatyorkie · 09/02/2024 03:14

As an Israeli offensive in Rafah remains likely Netanyahu has confirmed that “we’ve instructed the IDF to prepare also to operate in Rafah and in two camps in the centre, the last strongholds Hamas has left.
Here too, when the time comes, the IDF will act in compliance with international law and will allow the [civilian] population safe passage out of the war zones.”

Israel has reportedly told Egypt that it will allow people to leave Rafah before it moves in. (From the Guardian)

BackandForthRoundandRound · 09/02/2024 07:13

John Kirby's tone, along with choice of words, were completely different when discussing Israel. Thanks for posting this article... I would hope America would try to prevent this ~ likely due to how much their reputation has gone downhill for supporting and supplying Israel with the arms for murder ~ but I am somewhat doubtful. The thought of another massacre taking place is beyond any words

BackandForthRoundandRound · 09/02/2024 07:16

PeasfullPerson · 08/02/2024 19:27

Not sure which thread to put this on, but as it’s an accusation we often see thrown around on the Mumsnet boards, I thought it was relatable and wanted to put it somewhere.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/basketball/68243979

I'm glad they stood by their beliefs and didn't compromise them.

BackandForthRoundandRound · 09/02/2024 07:25

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C3HeOcyMlnb/?igsh=MXh0ZXVpeWZwZDdocg== A mother is forced to feed her baby dates wrapped in cloth as she is too malnourished to produce any breast milk and cannot afford to buy any formula. This situation is not unique

Instagram

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C3HeOcyMlnb?igsh=MXh0ZXVpeWZwZDdocg%3D%3D

BackandForthRoundandRound · 09/02/2024 07:27

Former Chief of Staff of Rafael Eitan ~ his own words

Please do all you can to object to the genocide of Palestinians (Thread 2)
BackandForthRoundandRound · 09/02/2024 07:29

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C3G_FW-s5bR/?igsh=MWdxejB1eDdubWRoZg== Israeli soldier attempt to intimidate journalist (nothing new there)

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https://www.instagram.com/reel/C3G_FW-s5bR?igsh=MWdxejB1eDdubWRoZg%3D%3D

Parkingt111 · 09/02/2024 07:29

BackandForthRoundandRound · 09/02/2024 07:25

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C3HeOcyMlnb/?igsh=MXh0ZXVpeWZwZDdocg== A mother is forced to feed her baby dates wrapped in cloth as she is too malnourished to produce any breast milk and cannot afford to buy any formula. This situation is not unique

That is so upsetting, yet there are people blocking aid trucks whilst babies are dying

BackandForthRoundandRound · 09/02/2024 07:32

Parkingt111 · 09/02/2024 07:29

That is so upsetting, yet there are people blocking aid trucks whilst babies are dying

I shared a video on here where a female was boasting about having helped to stop 132 trucks of aid from crossing yesterday. Very proud of herself for having helped to do so and no intentions of stopping. How anyone can stop aid from going in, and also celebrate doing so, is beyond me. It is obvious that babies would be among the ones suffering and dying as a result yet they continue on.

BackandForthRoundandRound · 09/02/2024 07:37

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C3GygEqofQI/?igsh=MTA2NmtpbnRkZHIyZA== An man in Israel speaking up (again) regarding the horrific conditions for pregnant women and babies in Palestine. (Running anyone over in a tank is barbaric but to do so to a pregnant female repeatedly is psychotic behaviour)

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https://www.instagram.com/reel/C3GygEqofQI?igsh=MTA2NmtpbnRkZHIyZA%3D%3D

EasterIssland · 09/02/2024 07:39

Un about bombing rafah

Please do all you can to object to the genocide of Palestinians (Thread 2)
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