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Hamas planned attacks on Jewish people in Europe

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Shhhhivegotasecret · 14/12/2023 22:35

Have seen in the news - I suspect it’s the tip of the iceberg and absolutely terrifying for Jewish people everywhere. Hamas need to be stopped, hopefully this helps to reinforce that they are a terrorist group and not some romantic notion about being ‘freedom fighters’

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OuiOuiKitty · 15/12/2023 21:43

stomachameleon · 15/12/2023 21:42

when it's your type of Western civilian

@OuiOuiKitty what does that mean?

It means if you are posting on mumsnet I am assuming you are living in a Western country.

Desertrose2023 · 15/12/2023 21:43

Humdingerydoo · 15/12/2023 21:35

I was only asking because I was looking back and your posts seemed to overlap. I mean, at one point I thought I was replying to you when it was actually toothy as the conversations seemed to be following on from one another. I am very aware there are a fair few with the same views.

Glad to hear you have a good work-life balance 👍🏻

Anyway as per your request I'll leave you alone now. At least until your next outrageous post.

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I accidentally responded to a post that was directed at her somewhere in the chain above thinking it was aimed at me so that probably didn’t help. I can assure you we’re not the same person, although based on her posts I reckon we’d be good buddies if we met outside the crazy world of MN.

speaking of work life balance I think I’m going to call it a night too, so no more outrage from me this evening :)

Pizdietz · 15/12/2023 21:45

OuiOuiKitty · 15/12/2023 21:43

It means if you are posting on mumsnet I am assuming you are living in a Western country.

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You're posting on MN. Does that mean you only care about white middle-class Westerners?

stomachameleon · 15/12/2023 21:46

'Your type' doesn't mean that though does it! 'Your type' of western civilian. What is not 'their type' of western civilian?

Or you would have said that originally? That doesn't make sense.

Humdingerydoo · 15/12/2023 21:51

Desertrose2023 · 15/12/2023 21:43

I accidentally responded to a post that was directed at her somewhere in the chain above thinking it was aimed at me so that probably didn’t help. I can assure you we’re not the same person, although based on her posts I reckon we’d be good buddies if we met outside the crazy world of MN.

speaking of work life balance I think I’m going to call it a night too, so no more outrage from me this evening :)

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Ok so I'm not going crazy! I think it was that post that got me wondering if I'd been having two different (yet similar) conversations with the same person at the same time. It really was a genuine question, which I hope you see now.

Have a good night.

OuiOuiKitty · 15/12/2023 21:56

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OuiOuiKitty · 15/12/2023 21:57

stomachameleon · 15/12/2023 21:46

'Your type' doesn't mean that though does it! 'Your type' of western civilian. What is not 'their type' of western civilian?

Or you would have said that originally? That doesn't make sense.

Soz you don't think it makes sense 🤷🏻‍♀️

Pizdietz · 15/12/2023 21:58

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No, it's not, but thanks for the personal attack as usual!
and for totally swerving the question as usual!

OuiOuiKitty · 15/12/2023 22:06

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Totallymessed · 15/12/2023 22:10

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You seem to have finally given up on pretending you're just an anti-zionist. Some very interesting posts today, the masks are truly off.

OuiOuiKitty · 15/12/2023 22:18

Totallymessed · 15/12/2023 22:10

You seem to have finally given up on pretending you're just an anti-zionist. Some very interesting posts today, the masks are truly off.

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I wouldn't see the point in wearing a mask? I don't think being anti war, anti genocide and pro ceasefire is anything to be ashamed of.

Christmascountdownpanic · 15/12/2023 22:40

Pizdietz · 15/12/2023 21:19

Germany is a big supporter of attempted genocide, they've involved themselves in this as has the UK and the US. You can't sit around being like fuck yeah war then act surprised when it comes to your doorstep

Are you saying that anyone who supports Israel's right to defend itself from further terrorist attacks, like those of 7 Oct, which Hamas has promised to repeat, is a legitimate target of further terrorism?

Wow. It certainly comes over that way.

Silence1 · 15/12/2023 22:48

Pizdietz · 15/12/2023 21:19

Germany is a big supporter of attempted genocide, they've involved themselves in this as has the UK and the US. You can't sit around being like fuck yeah war then act surprised when it comes to your doorstep

Are you saying that anyone who supports Israel's right to defend itself from further terrorist attacks, like those of 7 Oct, which Hamas has promised to repeat, is a legitimate target of further terrorism?

@Pizdietz Germany supplied Israel with £32 million of weapons in 2022.
In 2023 that has risen to £303 million with I think 185 of 213 export licences being urgently approved after 7/10 . To supply weapons which have killed maimed and mutilated thousands .

Totallymessed · 15/12/2023 22:53

Silence1 · 15/12/2023 22:48

@Pizdietz Germany supplied Israel with £32 million of weapons in 2022.
In 2023 that has risen to £303 million with I think 185 of 213 export licences being urgently approved after 7/10 . To supply weapons which have killed maimed and mutilated thousands .

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So, just to clarify, you do think German civilians are a justifiable target for attacks by Hamas or other terrorist groups?

Livinginanotherworld · 15/12/2023 22:53

Toothyfruity · 15/12/2023 09:07

Those who don't approve of the use of children as human shields presumably also condemn the IDF for using them?

Does anyone have information on attacks carried out outside of Israel and the Occupied Territories by Hamas? I'd be interested in learning the history of this.

Hamas do not operate outside the occupied territories and certainly not in Europe. This is all conjecture and fear mongering by the western msm. Neither country have verified that these are Hamas.

Can anyone name one instance of a Hamas operation in Europe ! It’s not in their interests. It’s blatant scare mongering.

Silence1 · 15/12/2023 22:54

@Totallymessed No

stomachameleon · 15/12/2023 23:03

@Livinginanotherworld

So they are lying then?

www.lbc.co.uk/news/hamas-operatives-arrested-europe-plot-against-jewish-institutions-foiled/

It's involved several countries and several intelligence groups and they all have it wrong? Even though Hamas have operated in other countries... Lebanon, Egypt etc?

Do terrorists not travel?

Totallymessed · 15/12/2023 23:08

OuiOuiKitty · 15/12/2023 21:57

Soz you don't think it makes sense 🤷🏻‍♀️

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It's not clear to me either - could you explain? So there isn't any misunderstanding.

Livinginanotherworld · 15/12/2023 23:11

Desertrose2023 · 15/12/2023 13:43

I see the typical bullying tactics didn’t take long and the slandering from Pro Israel posters started almost immediately.

this thread is to discuss the alleged threat posed by Hamas outside of Israel. Arguing that Hamas does not pose a credible threat outside of Israel is not the same as supporting them.

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OuiOuiKitty · 15/12/2023 23:16

Totallymessed · 15/12/2023 23:08

It's not clear to me either - could you explain? So there isn't any misunderstanding.

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No. You want to post about masks slipping etc go ahead but it's almost 11:30, I have covid and absolutely no desire to engage in a discussion with someone with that kind of narrative in their head.

Livinginanotherworld · 15/12/2023 23:30

stomachameleon · 15/12/2023 23:03

@Livinginanotherworld

So they are lying then?

www.lbc.co.uk/news/hamas-operatives-arrested-europe-plot-against-jewish-institutions-foiled/

It's involved several countries and several intelligence groups and they all have it wrong? Even though Hamas have operated in other countries... Lebanon, Egypt etc?

Do terrorists not travel?

No they are not lying as such, but the narrative is being manipulated to scare monger. Potential terrorist attacks are alway being flagged by the security services, most thank god, are thwarted before anything happens. It’s only massive news because of the situation. Several months before Oct 07 there was a massive operation which thankfully foiled what would have been a horrendous attack in mainland Europe. There was also another in the spring which thwarted a potential plot in the UK. The threat level in Uk and Europe has been high for years. Many operators also may act independently, but in the name of the many hundreds of terror organisations around the world. Sadly it’s the world we live in.
Obviously the support that the UK an most of Europe are giving to Israel will make them a target, but from anyone.

Support for Israel is massively waning around the world that’s a fact, it’s suits governments to manipulate this and garner support for Israel again.

quantumbutterfly · 16/12/2023 07:15

When you say anyone would target Europe & UK for their 'support' of Israel, who are you referring to?

Christmascountdownpanic · 16/12/2023 07:36

Livinginanotherworld · 15/12/2023 23:30

No they are not lying as such, but the narrative is being manipulated to scare monger. Potential terrorist attacks are alway being flagged by the security services, most thank god, are thwarted before anything happens. It’s only massive news because of the situation. Several months before Oct 07 there was a massive operation which thankfully foiled what would have been a horrendous attack in mainland Europe. There was also another in the spring which thwarted a potential plot in the UK. The threat level in Uk and Europe has been high for years. Many operators also may act independently, but in the name of the many hundreds of terror organisations around the world. Sadly it’s the world we live in.
Obviously the support that the UK an most of Europe are giving to Israel will make them a target, but from anyone.

Support for Israel is massively waning around the world that’s a fact, it’s suits governments to manipulate this and garner support for Israel again.

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I really don't think that Denmark, The Netherlands and Germany are making up these terrorist arrests to 'garner support for Israel '. They really did arrest terrorist suspects. There are numerous news outlets covering this.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/14/europe/hamas-suspects-arrested-terror-plot-europe-intl/index.html

Four suspected members of Hamas arrested in Europe over alleged terrorism plot | CNN

Three were arrested in Germany and one in the Netherlands on suspicion of planning attacks on Jewish institutions in Europe, Germany’s federal prosecutor said.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/14/europe/hamas-suspects-arrested-terror-plot-europe-intl/index.html

Christmascountdownpanic · 16/12/2023 07:39

I'll post a few different links some don't like main stream sources.