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mixgoal · 18/11/2023 22:37

HorseFaced · 18/11/2023 22:08

Seriously, acknowledging that Palestinians are human beings whose humanity has equal value to Israeli and Jewish lives is antisemitic?

Putting aside any political or moral evaluation of that position how do you think the optics of it are working out?

Can you please point to where someone has said acknowledging that Palestinians are human beings whose humanity has equal value to Israeli and Jewish lives is antisemitic?

SilverBranchGoldenPears · 18/11/2023 22:39

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Trulywonderful · 18/11/2023 22:45

mixgoal · 18/11/2023 22:37

Can you please point to where someone has said acknowledging that Palestinians are human beings whose humanity has equal value to Israeli and Jewish lives is antisemitic?

This

mixgoal · 18/11/2023 22:47

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Nazis? So the Israeli govermnet are white supremacists who want the extermination of the Jews?

Trulywonderful · 18/11/2023 22:49

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Someone sort this poster out about why it is not OK to use certain words when referring to Jewish people. Especially considering the millions of other words or phrases they could use.

This is 2023 and not rocket science

Reallifelurker · 18/11/2023 22:52

And you get posters coming along to say BuT wHaT aBoUt GaZa!?! on the Jewish MN board too.

Well it is an ongoing HuMaNitaRiaN CriSiS. But the Jewish board is not the right place to discuss it I guess.

mixgoal · 18/11/2023 23:13

Reallifelurker · 18/11/2023 22:52

And you get posters coming along to say BuT wHaT aBoUt GaZa!?! on the Jewish MN board too.

Well it is an ongoing HuMaNitaRiaN CriSiS. But the Jewish board is not the right place to discuss it I guess.

You guess?

Someone starts a thread about anti-Semitism, you tell them to take it to the "Jewish board". People try to derail threads about anti-Semitism on that board, but that's fine because there's a humanitarian crisis.

So is there anywhere that people are allowed to discuss anti-Semitism in your eyes?

Reallifelurker · 18/11/2023 23:27

Someone starts a thread about anti-Semitism, you tell them to take it to the "Jewish board". People try to derail threads about anti-Semitism on that board, but that's fine because there's a humanitarian crisis.

I wasn’t telling anyone to do anything it’s just that people on this board will read new threads and probably comment on them from their particular angle as it were.

I did wonder whether the Jewish board would have less of that (and it probably would to be fair) and would be a better bet for those who don’t want Gaza mentioned.

So is there anywhere that people are allowed to discuss anti-Semitism in your eyes

As I said before I’m not stopping you.

noblegiraffe · 18/11/2023 23:29

Yeah Jews, stay in your board. FFS.

Reallifelurker · 18/11/2023 23:31

Yeah Jews, stay in your board. FFS

Thats not really what I meant and you know it

Happyvalleyfan · 18/11/2023 23:32

grownonaspottytable · 18/11/2023 22:08

People keep using the buzzwords of 'genocide' and 'ethnic cleansing' in relation to Israel while completely ignoring that this is the exact stated aim of Hamas - to wipe out all the Jews. Every rocket they fire, every suicide bomber they send, is all with the same aim of ethnically cleansing Jewish people from that region.

But oh ok, it's Israel who's apparently committing 'attempted genocide'. 🙄

I think most people would agree Hamas had committed war crimes. More and more people are becoming concerned the Israeli government are too. As for using buzzwords like genocide and ethnic cleansing- people are responding directly to what they see and read not only SM but also on the news and in papers. What would you call what is happening in Gaza? Collateral damage?

Is it ok to say that a founding principle of the Likud party is was: “between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty”?

AboutYouTalk · 18/11/2023 23:40

Sacha Baron Cohen? Of Ali G and Borat notoriety? Another self-serving hypocrite who thinks it’s perfectly acceptable to imitate black people and other cultures in a mocking and insulting way but cries antisemitism when it comes to Israel. He needs to move to Israel if he loves it so much instead of sitting comfortably in the USA.

noblegiraffe · 18/11/2023 23:41

I think most people would agree Hamas had committed war crimes

This woman who phoned into LBC really didn't want to say that Hamas should even release the hostages they are holding.

https://x.com/lbc/status/1725914261606592614?s=61&t=U9XrcF693-JpMxeIueYG7g

https://x.com/lbc/status/1725914261606592614?s=61&t=U9XrcF693-JpMxeIueYG7g

noblegiraffe · 18/11/2023 23:42

Reallifelurker · 18/11/2023 23:31

Yeah Jews, stay in your board. FFS

Thats not really what I meant and you know it

Some people on this board are really uncomfortable with any discussion about antisemitism that has arisen as a result of this conflict.

It's fascinating (and horrifying) to see.

mixgoal · 18/11/2023 23:43

Reallifelurker · 18/11/2023 23:27

Someone starts a thread about anti-Semitism, you tell them to take it to the "Jewish board". People try to derail threads about anti-Semitism on that board, but that's fine because there's a humanitarian crisis.

I wasn’t telling anyone to do anything it’s just that people on this board will read new threads and probably comment on them from their particular angle as it were.

I did wonder whether the Jewish board would have less of that (and it probably would to be fair) and would be a better bet for those who don’t want Gaza mentioned.

So is there anywhere that people are allowed to discuss anti-Semitism in your eyes

As I said before I’m not stopping you.

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Okay, let me rephrase that. Is there anywhere that we can talk about anti-Semitism without people like you popping up every five seconds to say "What about Gaza" and "but the Israeli goverment are Nazis" or "how can you worry about anti-semitism when there are children dying" every five seconds even though it has nothing to do with the thread?

mixgoal · 18/11/2023 23:46

AboutYouTalk · 18/11/2023 23:40

Sacha Baron Cohen? Of Ali G and Borat notoriety? Another self-serving hypocrite who thinks it’s perfectly acceptable to imitate black people and other cultures in a mocking and insulting way but cries antisemitism when it comes to Israel. He needs to move to Israel if he loves it so much instead of sitting comfortably in the USA.

Is he wrong about anti-semitism on social media?

And why would he move to Israel? I missed the part of the article when he said he loves it, can you point it out to me pelase?

Reallifelurker · 18/11/2023 23:47

It's fascinating (and horrifying) to see
Oh don’t start

Happyvalleyfan · 18/11/2023 23:48

noblegiraffe · 18/11/2023 23:41

I think most people would agree Hamas had committed war crimes

This woman who phoned into LBC really didn't want to say that Hamas should even release the hostages they are holding.

https://x.com/lbc/status/1725914261606592614?s=61&t=U9XrcF693-JpMxeIueYG7g

I would hope that this is not reflective of how most pro- peace people feel.
I can understand that wording of criticism against IDF’s actions in Gaza needs to be carefully worded so as to not suggest that all Israelis support what the IDF and the Israeli government are doing.
I also hope that people can see that criticising these actions is not necessarily antisemitic.

etmoiandme · 18/11/2023 23:48

noblegiraffe · 18/11/2023 23:42

Some people on this board are really uncomfortable with any discussion about antisemitism that has arisen as a result of this conflict.

It's fascinating (and horrifying) to see.

Horrifying for sure.

noblegiraffe · 18/11/2023 23:50

Fascinating because I'm not Jewish. I'm fully aware that if I were, it would hit far more keenly and personally.

etmoiandme · 18/11/2023 23:51

@noblegiraffe I'm glad it's not just us (Jews) that see it though.

Reallifelurker · 18/11/2023 23:52

Okay, let me rephrase that. Is there anywhere that we can talk about anti-Semitism without people like you popping up every five seconds to say "What about Gaza" and "but the Israeli goverment are Nazis" or "how can you worry about anti-semitism when there are children dying" every five seconds even though it has nothing to do with the thread?

Tbh (and I’m not taking personal responsibility for this) probably not here. It does work the other way though.
Threads focused on the Palestinians situation will have people come on and say stuff like “oh but you know it was Hamas who bombed that hospital” or something like that because defending Israel is their priority. Like I said everyone has their angle. I’m not saying that’s right but that seems to be how it is.

Reallifelurker · 18/11/2023 23:54

Horrifying for sure

Oh it’s you. Come to read me the riot act have you?

noblegiraffe · 18/11/2023 23:55

It's me? Do elaborate.

Reallifelurker · 18/11/2023 23:56

It's me? Do elaborate.

No, not you, Etmoi