The JC: Sacha Baron Cohen says ‘Tiktok is creating the biggest antisemitic movement since the Nazis‘

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Agree with @Trulywonderful
Also it's not really surprising that Tiktok is a hotbed of hate speech. TTand twitter/X serve largely as a space for hate filled people imo.

It was an amended plan after the first wasn't going to work. Three different plans at least were put through. Israel accepted the second and the Arabs didn't.
They also accepted the third plan which the Arabs didn't

Is it these? (From the article I linked earlier)

“In April 1947, exhausted by World War Two
and increasingly intent upon withdrawing from the region, Britain referred the issue of Palestine to the UN.
To investigate a suitable course of action, the UN formed the UN Special Committee on Palestine (UNSCOP), an inquiry committee made up of members from 11 countries. Ultimately, UNSCOP delivered two proposals: that of the majority, which recommended two separate states joined economically, and that of the minority, which supported the formation of a single binational state made up of autonomous Jewish and Palestinian areas. The Jewish community approved of the first of these proposals, while the Arabs opposed them both. A counterproposal—including a provision that only those Jews who had arrived before the Balfour Declaration and their descendents) would be citizens of the state—did not win Jewish favour”

It doesn’t seem to indicate any plan for all of Palestine to be given to the Jewish people and the Palestinians to go to Jordon. In fact I’m not sure what Jordon had to do with it? I don’t think the Zionists ever laid claim to that?

Trulywonderful wrote
Yes. I believe most countries didn't realise what Hitler intended for the Jews in the beginning.

Whilst most countries may not have forseen the obscene extent to which he would go, they were certainly aware of the discrimination and antisemitism he was pursuing from as early as 1934. From then, Jews were not allowed to hold places of high public office and their numbers were restricted in universities and schools. And all that was before the grotesque Nuremburg laws of 1935 which restricted the rights of Jews even more. In the UK we knew all this was happening, but because Germany was a bulwark against the despised communism of Russia, it was forgiven. There were many Nazi sympathisers in the UK, and to be counted amongst these were certain members of the royal family.

So to say that we didn't know it was happening is untrue. The UK did know, it simply chose to do little or nothing about it because it was in our interests not to.

It’s not just a case of it was in the UKs own interest to do so. The UK did exactly the same to others. Non British and people of certain religions. Look, for example, at how the Catholics were treated both here and in Ireland, they were banned from owning land, businesses ( even wearing green for god's sake ) and until very very recently holding high office here in the U.K. Tony Blair only converted after he left office.

Back in the 30s and 40s it was really not unusual to heavily discriminate against other people. It’s not just therefore about personal interests.

FourCandlesNotForkHandles

My husband would love your username

TikTok is nothing more than a spy tool for China. Who on earth uses it as a trusted news resource?

That’s so funny because I also use …T………………world🤣🤣👏

Hello hope you are well. You mentioned you were going to look for the report of schools not teaching about the holocaust to Muslims in the UK to avoid controversy so I have had a look myself and the only thing I could find was what @etmoiandme mentioned how it was reported and proven to be a hoax

I just wanted to add that I did say I was taught about it but briefly. I went to a state school with majority Muslim students. To be honest most of the parents at the time were probably engaged with more worrying issues like poverty, trying to make ends meet and then the aftermath of 9/11 on Muslims than try and police the schools history lessons but that was just my experience.

I have been reading the other threads and I don't always comment. Because of my fierce pro Palestinian stance i know my presence is not always welcome on some threads like the placard one so I tend to avoid it.

But from what I have read, even without looking at statistics its clear to me that anti semitism is on the rise and many Jewish people do not feel safe. Alot of what posters have said draw scary parallels to what many muslims suffered and felt like after 9/11 so I fully believe it and i would hope that at times abit more empathy is shown simply because we know what it feels like to be blamed for something simply by association of faith/race

Sometimes this happens because as a PP said we live on our own echo bubbles. Our social media feed only shows us the content we often want to see. If you had asked me my view on certain things a month ago and now, some would now be different. Only because of what I read from some Jewish posters on here who has helped me to see things from a Jewish person's perspective. I'm sure I still have many views and stances that yourself and others would disagree with but in a conflict like this that is probably expected

What that is you

That is hilarious you are right

I would also add that I have seen a rise in islamophobia after the attacks too. Thankfully not something I have personally experienced in relation to this war in real life but more online.

Even on mumsnet, from posters who come on here and say they are not Jewish but want to support Jewish people.
From observing these posters they tend to be in two categories.
The first are those who are genuinely upset and want to show their support.
The second are those who seem to support because they percieve that they and the Jewish people have a common enemy. The Muslims.
It's something quite fascinating to see at times how the posts start off and within a day or two or sometimes even an hour or two the islamophobia comes out. Credit where its due some posters do call it out

Even on mumsnet, from posters who come on here and say they are not Jewish but want to support Jewish people.

@Parkingt111 I've seen them do this too and I can assure you they are not doing so in my name, and I'm sure the majority of Jewish posters on here would say the same.

The second are those who seem to support because they percieve that they and the Jewish people have a common enemy. The Muslims.

Yes. It's frustrating actually. The Muslim friends I have I've actually always felt pretty close to, possibly because we grew up with a shared common threat - white Christians. We grew up always on our guard because of this, it's a shared understanding and fear. Because every single incident of antisemitism I've encountered personally (offline) has always been from a white Christian. What I'm seeing more recently is not the case however, but as others have said on here, as Jews and Muslims I firmly believe we have more in common than many recognise.

There is a third type. The third are people that say they are Jewish but are not. Possibly they have a Jewish relative somewhere in their bloodline. However they come on and lie about being Jewish then start being islamophobic and generally anything to make the Jewish community look bad

You can normally spot these posters as new users and they know nothing about Jewish people apart from the holocaust.

@Trulywonderful Ah yes, the 'as a Jew' crowd. And I think they're a group who can be subdivided further - the 'Walker' types who don't do Islamophobia as such but are just massively antisemitic usually making us out to be shadowy liars (I'm sure you know who I mean and I've actually seen a few posters and thought "is that her?). Their whole raison d'etre is to make the Jewish community look bad, as you say.

I don't think of anyone as my enemy. I just support Israel (am Christian and have certainly never claimed to be Jewish - I have had fund tracing my family tree back to the 1700s on just about all sides and it is extremely boring - everyone back to then from UK or Ireland although all humans are from Africa if we go back far enough and I am 3% Neanderthal DNA too).

The UK and USA support Israel, so it is not particularly surprising that lots of people in the UK and USA support Israel - that is our Governments' stance and a very justifiable stance. I also support eg Australia (a democracy) particularly against China (not a democracy) trying to damage its interests.

On schools my sons' school used to show everyone aged 12 Schindler's List before they left the school. We live in North London in one of the most mixed area of the UK and I think that kind of film was a good thing to show boys of that age just before they left the school.

posters who come on here and say they are not Jewish but want to support Jewish people.

I don’t think you mean me. I have reported some Islamophobic posts, but obviously people may display some unconscious bias that they may not be aware of. The area where I live doesn’t give much exposure to other cultures so it is definitely useful to hear the (calm) experiences of people from different backgrounds on here.

The other day I saw dogshit smeared on a parked car sporting a Free Palestine sticker which I found really shocking and upsetting.

@noblegiraffe I'm not sure if you are asking me or @etmoiandme. If me then i definitely do not mean you at all and I have seen you actively call out islamophobia and anti semitism so thank you

As I said they are normally split and the
The first are those who are genuinely upset and want to show their support

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@etmoiandme thank you for your lovely post. Unfortunately divide and rule has been around for thousands of years by the rulers and maybe sometimes we fall into the trap ourselves.

And from a Jewish perspective, @noblegiraffe is definitely what we would call a "mensch".

Joy of social media to some is they can pretend to be whoever they like or have as many user accounts as they like. However yes I believe there are a couple of users with at least one other account. If we don't engage with them they will literally talk to themselves. The writing style and phrases they use are ridiculously similar. At work of a couple of students did this you would know one had copied the other. In this case it is very possibly a user with two accounts.

Anyway it just makes them a sad individual and better to just ignore them. They are not fooling many people and most just ignore their posts if they haven't worked it out anyway. What with them being obnoxious etc

@Parkingt111 I just wish more British Muslim and Jewish people would appreciate our commonality!

@noblegiraffe that unconscious bias is very true. From all my Muslim friends and family that I know its rare for me to have seen any blatant anti semitism but in their anger there has been times where its sort of skirting the line you can say. People I know are so filled of grief and anger. I know many muslims who have said that since the start of this war it has and continues to have a massive affect on their day to day lives.
Their are many reasons why this affects people more than other conflicts and I don't think it's fair to say that the reason for all who are speaking out is anti semitism (again not aiming at you but I see this come up many times)

Its also a conflict that has been ongoing for most peoples entire life time, and therefore one that they empathise and relate with at a greater level as its what they see as a lifetime of injustice/oppression (again i know this is subjective) This time round its probably worse because we can see in real time the day to day horrors of the war and the worst part is the Gazans absolutely cannot escape it. They are being killed in their homes, in the refugee camps, in the hospitals, in the schools and even in the safe zones. Regardless of who one blames they have nowhere to escape which In itself is horrifying to even try to comprehend.

I really do pray that after this a fair two state solution is reached and an effort made to address grievances on both sides so that both can finally live a life of dignity and safety

First of all YUCK!

I think you are very antisemitic and Islamophobic, what you talking about! (Joking)

I have seen posters decide you are Jewish because you call out antisemitism. Which is amusing though kind of says a lot about the state of things on here lately. Nobody is expecting many non Jewish people to call them out.

It is a bit stereotypes but most the Jewish woman I know are strong minded logical critical thinking and not afraid let others know their opinion. Therefore you would make a great Jewish woman. Have you done an ancestry DNA test maybe you have a little bit of Jewish in you😂

Hi Tower
Sorry I had a busy day, I looked for that report and only found reference to it but that was in the Daily Mail so I was looking for the original report or at least a way more reputable one! I cannot find it but I definitely did see a news report on it somewhere in the last couple of weeks. I will have another look this week and post if I find it. I imagine in any case it isn't a stretch to think that there are certain topics in certain areas that are very contentious and teachers may avoid teaching them in depth.

Have you done an ancestry DNA test maybe you have a little bit of Jewish in you

My background is Irish Catholic so I'd be very surprised!

It was the DM who started the rumour - which was just that - in the first place. I linked an academic article earlier on in the thread which talks about it, and the moral panic which followed. So basically, it wasn't true!