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mids2019 · 20/11/2023 23:57

I feel there is a lot to be gained from having moderate people of all faiths and countries engaging in dialogue but to achieve that I think we need to declare what the barriers to peace are. For instance the destruction of the state of Israel is anti Semitic so I think it is a given that Israel needs to remove Hamas as an existential threat. The means of doing this have proved extraordinarily difficult and there has been unfortunately large civilian casualties in Gaza. I think everyone wishes a peaceful resolution to this conflict soon.

However in order to achieve peace there needs to not be a residual sense of vengeance from all concerned and I fear that may be the really hard but to crack. It is obvious that Hamas rely on a jihadist ideology to help support its aims and this ideology as well as fuelling anti semitism is a threat to the wider western community.

To prevent a growth of anti semitsm there needs to be an acknowledgment that there needs to be a two state solution and that the boundaries respect the current territorial borders along which many Israelis have died. I am sure that as in the UK peaceful co existence can ultimately happen but there needs to be an end to the resentment of Palestinians about Israel and vice versa. Surely continued bitterness about decisions made after WW2 can only lead to more bad feeling?

Iwantcakeeveryday · 21/11/2023 09:27

However in order to achieve peace there needs to not be a residual sense of vengeance from all concerned and I fear that may be the really hard but to crack. It is obvious that Hamas rely on a jihadist ideology to help support its aims and this ideology as well as fuelling anti semitism is a threat to the wider western community.

Yes, you're right. It's why wars happen, vengeance. Nobody seems to be coming at this with an aim of peace, from this point today what do we do to achieve it... they're constantly referencing the past and until they stop that, there will not be peace.

FourCandlesNotForkHandles · 21/11/2023 12:22

mids2019 · 20/11/2023 23:57

I feel there is a lot to be gained from having moderate people of all faiths and countries engaging in dialogue but to achieve that I think we need to declare what the barriers to peace are. For instance the destruction of the state of Israel is anti Semitic so I think it is a given that Israel needs to remove Hamas as an existential threat. The means of doing this have proved extraordinarily difficult and there has been unfortunately large civilian casualties in Gaza. I think everyone wishes a peaceful resolution to this conflict soon.

However in order to achieve peace there needs to not be a residual sense of vengeance from all concerned and I fear that may be the really hard but to crack. It is obvious that Hamas rely on a jihadist ideology to help support its aims and this ideology as well as fuelling anti semitism is a threat to the wider western community.

To prevent a growth of anti semitsm there needs to be an acknowledgment that there needs to be a two state solution and that the boundaries respect the current territorial borders along which many Israelis have died. I am sure that as in the UK peaceful co existence can ultimately happen but there needs to be an end to the resentment of Palestinians about Israel and vice versa. Surely continued bitterness about decisions made after WW2 can only lead to more bad feeling?

Confused by your first paragraph re the destruction of Israel.
Gaza is not Israel
Israel has a right to defend itself, it does not, have a right to bomb Gaza and all it’s people.

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Trulywonderful · 23/11/2023 08:50

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The JC: Sacha Baron Cohen says ‘Tiktok is creating the biggest antisemitic movement since the Nazis‘
BeggyMitchell · 23/11/2023 11:35

Trulywonderful · 23/11/2023 08:50

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backtowinter · 23/11/2023 11:50

Trulywonderful · 23/11/2023 08:50

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Hopefully there will be a lot of people attending.

All those that want peace must surely support fellow brits who are being targeted by hate

Bigminnie1 · 23/11/2023 11:53

@backtowinter I so hope you are right. It will be interesting to see who shows up apart from the U.K. Jewish community. I really hope there's a good turnout.

Bigminnie1 · 23/11/2023 11:54

@Trulywonderful thanks for posting info about the March on every thread.

Trulywonderful · 23/11/2023 11:57

I hope but not convinced of it

I see a lot of lip service but not many people want to actually do something about Jew hate

Hopefully I am very wrong and it is a decent crowd

Trulywonderful · 23/11/2023 11:59

Bigminnie1 · 23/11/2023 11:54

@Trulywonderful thanks for posting info about the March on every thread.

I only did the threads that I thought had people that may be interested

I could do the echo chamber ones about the conflict too but somehow think that would be pointless

Bigminnie1 · 23/11/2023 12:00

@Trulywonderful - sadly, you are right.

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