The JC: Sacha Baron Cohen says ‘Tiktok is creating the biggest antisemitic movement since the Nazis‘

[AllWeAreSaying]

https://www.thejc.com/news/news/tiktok-is-creating-the-biggest-antisemitic-movement-since-the-nazis-says-sacha-baron-cohen-atXpPLW21qrpRTcbh9MU2

Do you mean the one that a racist singer was singing for the IDF making misogynistic comments about Palestinian women that I won’t repeat here?
You really do need to get out more if this is looks like fun to you! Or perhaps you dont mind racism as long as it’s not antisemitic? Or is this satire too?

https://bnn.network/world/israel/outcry-over-israeli-singers-controversial-remarks-about-gaza-during-idf-performance/

But what about the ordinary person who is pro Palestine and keeps getting labelled as antisemitic for saying Israel is committing war crimes or a genocide? Islamophobia is on the rise, even those who are neutral through this are being labelled as antisemitic and told they are pro Hamas.

I don’t think you fully understand what satire is, don’t ever read “A modest proposal”, you’ll be horrified.

Also BSC - as a Jew I think it’s fine he satirises his own race.

I am not sure others find his humour funny when he pokes fun at their culture. So no, he’s not the right person to preach on racist diatribe.

https://www.newarab.com/opinion/there-nothing-funny-about-racism-borat?amp

I think the expressions of anti-semitism has been vandalism, verbal abuse, security at school (given schools and synagogues have been attacked elsewhere). I don’t think the average pro Palestinian protesters are suffering that kind of harrassment, not sure any schools have had to get security in or paint thrown on their walls etc.

I think it should be pretty easy to condemn anti-semitism as appalling in the same way we would condemn islamaphobia. If you find yourself trying to justify either you are suffering from moral rot.

Not an expert on Borat but I remember Alf Garnett (yes, I’m old) and how a lot of the people he was actually meant to be satirising really liked him because they agreed with the offensive stuff he came out with.

You mean if a Muslim created a caricature of an Islamophobe and had them sing "throw the Muslims down the well"? I don't see why that would be a problem.

You mean if a Muslim created a caricature of an Islamophobe and had them sing "throw the Muslims down the well"? I don't see why that would be a problem

I think* *problem with Borat is he wasn’t just dealing with Jewish themes. The people in Kazakhstan were apparently not very happy with him and banned his films.

Yeah that's probably true, but I don't think you can blame him for people apparently repeating some of the obviously satirical anti-Semitic slogans non ironically.

And either way it doesn't make him wrong about Tiktok.

I sitll think freedom of speech on Tiktok, MN and everywhere is very important even if people don't like the views expressed. I want everyone to be free to lampoon all religions and none without getting blown up or visited by the police etc. however any crime of anti semitism or any other offences against the Equality Act 2010 in the UK is a different matter.

SBC was pretty racist. Agree that he isn't the right commentator.

Agree@Happyvalleyfan
what has happened to people to think any of this is acceptable.
Too much screen time viewing hate.

Of course he's right. I feel besieged my the antisemitism on Twitter right now - is it new, or was it always there but is suddenly avalanching on me because I am Jewish/have an interest in Jewish issues?

I would love to read just one thread like this that didn't have someone bleating that they're not allowed to criticise Israel without being accused of antisemitism. Ditto the posters saying well, we're only seeing antisemitism because of how Israel is behaving. I'll bet most of these people (rightly) were protesting Muslims aren't collectively guilty in the wake of 9/11.

My posts were deleted. Presumably because I said that the rise in antisemitism is directly linked to the curren conflict, the Israeli flag containing the star of David and the Israeli flag becoming associated with attempted genocide and ethnic cleansing. That pretending like it is a coincidence is absurd.

My question is why was this post posted here on this board if it has nothing to do with the current conflict? Is there not a more appropriate board to post it on rather than trying to centre people that have nothing to do with the current conflict on this board? I actually find it really distasteful tbh.

There's been a ramping up of antisemitism over the last few years (maybe decade), OuiOuiKitty. Definitely not limited to since 7 Oct, and what I have seen has been coming from sources that couldn't give a shiny shit about the sufferings of Palestinians – in fact, the same sources often also indulge in Islamophobia.

I'm no expert (nor Jewish) but have been keeping a broad weather eye.

Eg This is an informative report from the International Centre for the Study of Radicalisation in 2021, on the way social media has been used for "youth-on-youth radicalisation" by groups formed since 2018.

“We are Generation Terror!”: Youth‐on‐youth Radicalisation in Extreme‐right Youth Groups
https://icsr.info/2021/12/14/we-are-generation-terror-youth%E2%80%91on%E2%80%91youth-radicalisation-in-extreme%E2%80%91right-youth-groups/

Nothing to do with what he said or the thread

Sure others have already told you that but seriously!

OuiOuikitty is on those too

I find you get into an echo chamber with Twitter- I only get shown tweets that mirror what I like- probably the same with TikTok?

It’s only when you start to read comments to the original tweet that you get opposing views. I can imagine some of those can be hurtful.

However- it does allow you to see how others think, rather than continuing to reinforce your own views - so difficult to know whether to read or not?

I don’t think honestly in a democratic country you can expect to avoid the comment that criticising Israel doesn’t mean you’re antisemitic, as that’s a reasonable belief many will have? Just as you’re not pro Hamas if you’re pro peace.

No you are thinking of Lior Narkis

The party that looks like fun was with Avihu Pinkasov

Lior Narkis' lyrics actually call the geographical place of Gaza a whore, not the women of Gaza.

Still not ideal or befitting, but then nor is a lot of rap music either.

If you find it distasteful, you're perfectly free to not read it.

It seems like some people conflate being pro Palestine or anti Zionist with antisemitism.

Unfortunately it is much the same thing with a fair few protesters and pro Palestine people

"There's a Jew? GET HIM!!!"

https://twitter.com/HaydenHewitt/status/1725960414654030022

It seems like some people conflate being pro Palestine or anti Zionist with antisemitism

Oh here we go again