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Conflict in the Middle East

Israel has bombed the front of a hospital

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TakeMe2Insanity · 03/11/2023 15:56

Israel has bombed the gates of the Al Shalha hospital.

Everyone knows displaced families are sheltering in and near hospitals.

Israel has bombed the front of a hospital
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Readingallnight · 12/11/2023 02:44

EnoughIsay · 12/11/2023 02:41

I've seen various reports of IDF stopping civilians from evacuating over the last few days/couple of weeks, including footage of them shooting civilians and blowing up all civillian places and audio recordings between IDF operativies in Gaza and the Israeli government.

Obviously this is already verified but the worst of it yet to be known as they have locked Gaza down but it seems to be a consistent pattern.

Clever post

EnoughIsay · 12/11/2023 02:48

Humdingerydoo · 11/11/2023 23:27

I guess the issue is that if Israel is shown to be right, it's a case of "either we get rid of Hamas and their infrastructure now or it'll be our hospital /school/nursery/nightclub next". I can assure you Hamas won't be making any attempts at evacuating anyone beforehand like Israel has tried. And I know they don't exactly have many options of places to evacuate to. I know that. I'm just not sure what Israel can do about it. I genuinely feel sick thinking about Palestinian parents having to try and decide what to do in these situations, whether they should stay or go. Trying to decide which way their children are less likely to die. It's horrific.

Anyway, it's as I suspected. It doesn't matter what the outcome is of this war, Israel is going to be the sole bad guy in public opinion regardless. They've already lost.

And no, of course I wouldn't want my own family sacrificed for the greater good. But then I also wouldn't want to live under a terrorist regime either so really not sure what I'd do. I can't even begin to imagine any of it, it's too insane.

'm just not sure what Israel can do about it.

They could stop the systematic slaughter of the Palestinian people.

They get over $3 BILLION every year from the USA.

Over $3 BILLION evry single year.

I am pretty sure they can train agents to go in and do targeted kills?

Targeted kills would be a hell of a lot better than this homocial revenge on an entire country.

EnoughIsay · 12/11/2023 03:09

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EnoughIsay · 12/11/2023 03:13

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Ohlalalalala · 12/11/2023 05:43

Parkingt111 · 11/11/2023 23:12

@Humdingerydoo I should add that my own daughter spent a long time in ICU as a baby. When I heard today that a baby died in the hospital because the fuel generator was bombed which meant the incubators and equipment stopped working, my heart shattered
Spending days not knowing if my baby was going to survive or not despite receiving the best care she could get was absolutely traumatising.
To think what the parents must be going through right now whose babies have died or will likely die a preventable cruel death has broken me

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PurpleCrocs3 · 12/11/2023 06:57

x.com/kthalps/status/1723538810221338973?s=46&t=H7RsBMUqqEi6HTuLgy64hg

Here's a video for anyone still insisting Israel tries not to kill civilians. Israeli officials in their own words. Would love to see you defend this.

Hiddenmnetter · 12/11/2023 07:43

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But it’s not about the pound of flesh is it? The Israeli government isn’t killing Palestinians in retaliation- it’s killing Hamas operatives who use Palestinians as human shields, which is terrible.

All this destruction in Gaza, all of it- is down to Hamas using human shields. Stop using civilians as cover, stop using civilian infrastructure as concealment- civilians won’t die. It was a terrible and brutal attack- now unfortunately Hamas are causing even more grief.

WhileMyDishwasherGentlyWeeps · 12/11/2023 07:54

Surely they have their pound of flesh?

I’ll assume the obvious, unpleasant implications of that are unintended.

SomeCatFromJapan · 12/11/2023 07:54

Okay I'll leave you all to it. Israel is just doing all this because they're fundamentally evil. No other explanation. They just love killing babies.
George Galloway said so.

EnoughIsay · 12/11/2023 08:04

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Iwantcakeeveryday · 12/11/2023 08:08

SomeCatFromJapan · 12/11/2023 07:54

Okay I'll leave you all to it. Israel is just doing all this because they're fundamentally evil. No other explanation. They just love killing babies.
George Galloway said so.

Yup, sometimes its better just to leave conversations when they turn like this one has.... some of these posts are disgusting.

EnoughIsay · 12/11/2023 08:08

WhileMyDishwasherGentlyWeeps · 12/11/2023 07:54

Surely they have their pound of flesh?

I’ll assume the obvious, unpleasant implications of that are unintended.

Any room at all in there for a little pity?

1,300 Israeli's killed.

So in revenge they kill 11,000 of whom over 4,000 are children.

But sure - keep on getting offended...

feralunderclass · 12/11/2023 08:10

Nobody believes the "Israel are just doing it to kill Hamas" now. You don't need to be an intelligent person to work that out. If one of the most powerful, technologically advanced armies in the world needs to kill 10k+ people, more than half of them women and children, in order to wipe out Hamas commanders, then US should cut their funding, as they are doing an atrocious job. The world can see now, that yes @SomeCatFromJapan it appears that Israel loves killing Palestinian babies. The same babies that they and some posters here say are Hamas. "A good Arab is a dead Arab".

Hiddenmnetter · 12/11/2023 08:11

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Yes. You are correct- if not for Hamas, then Israel would not be launching strikes at Hamas where they hide in mosques, hospitals, schools and any other civilian infrastructure they can conceal themselves with.

Hamas are a terrorist, guerrilla force. Look at the damage inflicted by The Taliban against a vastly superior force (the US+ allies) that concealed themselves in the civilian population. Hamas are brutal, dangerous and utterly without scruples about sacrificing any and every Palestinian life they can. And it is clear that for Hamas, the more dead Palestinians the better (it suits their propaganda war, which is why they’ve closed off the evacuation routes)- that’s why they’re not following up on their “brave” attack. Because they know, in an open field battle they would get steamrolled. So they hide behind human shields. That’s how it works. That’s guerrilla tactics.

LaDerniereVacheFolle · 12/11/2023 08:13

Surely they have their pound of flesh?

Did you mean to reference Shylock from The Merchant of Venice there ? - therefore blatantly antisemitic or are you just extremely uneducated?

EnoughIsay · 12/11/2023 08:25

Hiddenmnetter · 12/11/2023 08:11

Yes. You are correct- if not for Hamas, then Israel would not be launching strikes at Hamas where they hide in mosques, hospitals, schools and any other civilian infrastructure they can conceal themselves with.

Hamas are a terrorist, guerrilla force. Look at the damage inflicted by The Taliban against a vastly superior force (the US+ allies) that concealed themselves in the civilian population. Hamas are brutal, dangerous and utterly without scruples about sacrificing any and every Palestinian life they can. And it is clear that for Hamas, the more dead Palestinians the better (it suits their propaganda war, which is why they’ve closed off the evacuation routes)- that’s why they’re not following up on their “brave” attack. Because they know, in an open field battle they would get steamrolled. So they hide behind human shields. That’s how it works. That’s guerrilla tactics.

I grew up in a country where there was loads of guerilla activity.

I know it well. I understand it well.

This was started by Hamas.

Israel had every tight to defend itself.

This is no longer defense.

This is a far right government taking an opportunity to grab land it does not own and get rid of a problem.

No matter how ofetn you repeat yourself you cannot hide this fact.

Rubbishagain · 12/11/2023 08:32

Hiddenmnetter · 12/11/2023 07:43

But it’s not about the pound of flesh is it? The Israeli government isn’t killing Palestinians in retaliation- it’s killing Hamas operatives who use Palestinians as human shields, which is terrible.

All this destruction in Gaza, all of it- is down to Hamas using human shields. Stop using civilians as cover, stop using civilian infrastructure as concealment- civilians won’t die. It was a terrible and brutal attack- now unfortunately Hamas are causing even more grief.

This is utter nonsense. The fact that you are spewing the same propaganda is awful. More land has been stolen by Israel. They now have north Gaza to steal the oil they wanted. The whole population of Gaza is in one corner. There is no logic to what you’re saying regarding Hamas hiding behind civilians. They have absolutely no space. Israel have the most advanced technology to spy on everyone but they can’t find Hamas. They have enough soldiers to go in and take them out. I think innocent civilians are trying to survive a genocide

EnoughIsay · 12/11/2023 08:32

LaDerniereVacheFolle · 12/11/2023 08:13

Surely they have their pound of flesh?

Did you mean to reference Shylock from The Merchant of Venice there ? - therefore blatantly antisemitic or are you just extremely uneducated?

I am very distressed at the amount of children being slaughtered by Israelis at the moment.

I am very distressed at the amount of civillians being slaughtered by Israelis at the moment.

I am very distressed at the continued dergradation of the surving population at the moment.

I am very distressed that Israel controls what we see and what we don't see.

But I am glad you are here to monitor my language, suggest I am anti semitic and more than likely ignorant.

Because that is clearly what is important right now.

Xenia · 12/11/2023 08:38

Hamas built tunnels and certainly not to be cooler in hot summers but for nefarious purposes. Israel warned on about 8 Nov that people should leave the North. It has continued to give warnings including paper drops as they know comms are cut.

I know there are some Palestinian supporters in the UK but plenty of people support Israel. if someone invaded the UK and killed 1400 people and slit the throats of babies in Kent we would do whatever it took to protect our nation including what we did in WII. We may seem like a sleeping giant in the West but we roar very hard if there are threats to our citizens and Israel is entitled to do the same. Hopefully the Hamas theat can be reduced and some good will come out of the Hamas terrorist killings. We should also be looking very carefully at whether particularly in London we have given sanctuary to Hamas terrorists.

EnoughIsay · 12/11/2023 08:47

Xenia · 12/11/2023 08:38

Hamas built tunnels and certainly not to be cooler in hot summers but for nefarious purposes. Israel warned on about 8 Nov that people should leave the North. It has continued to give warnings including paper drops as they know comms are cut.

I know there are some Palestinian supporters in the UK but plenty of people support Israel. if someone invaded the UK and killed 1400 people and slit the throats of babies in Kent we would do whatever it took to protect our nation including what we did in WII. We may seem like a sleeping giant in the West but we roar very hard if there are threats to our citizens and Israel is entitled to do the same. Hopefully the Hamas theat can be reduced and some good will come out of the Hamas terrorist killings. We should also be looking very carefully at whether particularly in London we have given sanctuary to Hamas terrorists.

Such an utterly pompous, hard hearted and cruel post.

Implicit in this is the notion that anyone who died in North Gaza brought it on themselves because they did not leave.

Where they were to go, how they were to go or even how to avoid being bombed when they tried to go is simply ignored.

Like most people I know , my legs turned to jelly after the Hamas attacks.

But this?

For me Israel has lost all it's morality.

Ohlalalalala · 12/11/2023 08:54

For all those posters defending the genocide being committed before the whole world, are you trying to justify the killing of over 11,000 defenseless people -majority of whom women and children- in a little over a month?

Are you trying to justify carpet bombing?

Are you trying to justify IDF snipers targeting any human in Gaza?

Are you trying to justify attacking hospitals and blood banks?

Are you trying to justify destroying mosques and churches?

Are you for real???

Assuming the majority of you are mums, I simply cannot comprehend how you feel OK for any child, whoever s/he is or wherever s/he comes from, to be killed. One dead child is too many.

It's crystal clear what's happening.

Parkingt111 · 12/11/2023 08:55

From The Guardian
Al Jazeera is carrying some quotes from Ahmed al-Mokhallalati, a surgeon at the al-Shifa hospital. He told the network:
We can hardly treat the patients within the hospital and are in the middle of the war zone. There are continuous airstrikes and the drones are hovering within the hospital area.

Day before yesterday at about 2am, the electricity stopped because of some issues. The engineer who went to try to fix that was shot by a drone and injured in his neck. Four of his limbs are paralysed.

I saw a family of five in front of my eyes who tried to move from the east yesterday and they were shot. So they came back injured.

The Israelis also called the hospital director the day before yesterday ordering us to evacuate. He asked them to help arrange a way to evacuate the patients. They didn’t have a plan.

It just gets worse and worse. Its clear that the lives of the Palestinians are worth less to some than others

EasterIssland · 12/11/2023 09:00

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Israel has bombed the front of a hospital
LaDerniereVacheFolle · 12/11/2023 09:02

EnoughISay

I am VERY distressed at ALL the recent deaths of EVERYONE.

It has yet to make me spout anything racist or Islamophobic.

Fairtobefairohhhhhc · 12/11/2023 09:05

@Xenia honestly? When has the UK government since WW2 helped the UK citizens... how many terror attacks have there been. They get a slap on the wrist and a bit of time in prison. Where is the roar you talk about? Rishi standing on a podium declaring the UK backs israel, when we can see a lot of the population Do Not, is not a brave roar of the UK but the timid squeak of a mouse scared of Israel.

Anyone touting whatever you say against israel as Antisemitic have twisted and contorted the narrative in their attempt to win their argument. This is NOT about Jews and Muslims, Christians. This is about a blood thirsty Israeli government, not Jewish but zionist, who wants their 'inheritence' Yemen will be next, so you can see why they are really not happy!

There is enough verified evidence that isrEl have a plan and are following through. And those who say we can't verify any sources. There are videos of Netanyahu saying it!! How much more verified do you need

I have woken up funking furious that those supporting this genocide accused me of playing a game last night in my posts.

This not a game this is genocide. This is my community being slaughterd!

I couldn't give a flying fuck If you don't like what pro Palestinians are saying. Someone said if your family was slaughtered 1400 would you not want to retaliate... what about the palestinian civilians. Or are they just animals as described by many Israeli officials?

If they are animals, then so am I!

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