Israel has bombed the front of a hospital

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Israel has bombed the gates of the Al Shalha hospital.

Everyone knows displaced families are sheltering in and near hospitals.

Horrible. He also said that the situation in Gaza makes "hell look like a tea party". Sums it up pretty well. Poor poor people.

So they are interesting articles, but beyond the inflammatory headlines, those articles are saying that Netenyahu is guilty of trying to work with Hamas to try and contain them- I.e.: by allowing work visas, turning a blind eye to their siphoning cash and smuggling they would be happy with their corrupt power structure. It’s actually not a bad plan, except it turns out that Hamas are not happy with their corrupt power structures and lives of luxury- they still want to kill all Jews.

What would have been better the suggestion goes: that he had been even more hard line on Hamas- not that he was “supporting” them- rather that he was trying to interact with them like rational actors on the political stage. I agree with the conclusion- it’s bitten them right in the backside, although I presume that at some point he had some indication this would work. It’s an interesting footnote, but what you’re complaining about here is that Netenyahu was allowing trade and workers visas, to allow interaction between Gaza and Israel.

And Palestinian children are taught what exactly @OuiOuiKitty ?

https://unwatch.org/un-teachers-call-to-murder-jews-reveals-new-report/

https://www.investigativeproject.org/4394/guest-column-palestinian-tv-teaches-kids-the-way

https://www.un.org/unispal/document/auto-insert-181056/

The article was about Israel. I'm not playing some game of one-upmanship with you. I was giving my view on the article mentioned.

So they are interesting articles, but beyond the inflammatory headlines, those articles are saying that Netenyahu is guilty of trying to work with Hamas to try and contain them- I.e.: by allowing work visas, turning a blind eye to their siphoning cash and smuggling they would be happy with their corrupt power structure. It’s actually not a bad plan, except it turns out that Hamas are not happy with their corrupt power structures and lives of luxury- they still want to kill all Jews.

I disagree. It was a bloody awful plan. Hamas are part of a wider network of jihadist and were never going to be happy with “lives of luxury”. They are radicalised fanatics. Israel has been very complacent, tolerating them because they were so sure they could do no harm.

If their PM comes out the other side of this war declaring glorious victory and expecting a round of applause I don’t think I’ll be able to take it.

@WinterWarmth When are Palestinian children taught this? All of them? I feel like I must have missed school at that point, but I've never had more than a few days off at a time.

Have you read the articles in their entirety? For a start, some of the claims are against UNWRA staff, not the Palestinian schooling system in general. I wouldn't even class the second article as a completely reliable source.
I'm not saying it never happens, but it was a fairly sweeping generalisation.

On the news:
-journalist inside al-Shifa hospital says ICU is being targeted

• 2 more babies have died due to lack of oxygen

-Israeli tanks are positioned 20 meters from hospital

The BBC are now reporting that the IDF have stated they will start evacuating babies to "a safer hospital" from tomorrow (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-middle-east-67385263?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=654fcb101ec331355f962a48%26Israel%20military%20says%20babies%20in%20Al%20Shifa%20will%20be%20evacuated%20to%20%27safer%20hospital%27%20tomorrow%262023-11-11T18%3A53%3A18.258Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:49f1fdd7-be8b-4dfa-ac74-6526acf8198a&pinned_post_asset_id=654fcb101ec331355f962a48&pinned_post_type=share)

I do wonder if that will actually be to a safer hospital, in Israel, or simply to another collapsing target within Gaza City.

A little bit of good news presumably about the prem babies at Al Shifa - well done RA Hagari for taking this on

The Israeli military will help evacuate babies trapped in Gaza’s Al Shifa Hospital on Sunday, chief Israeli military spokesperson rear admiral Daniel Hagari said on Saturday, Reuters reports.

“The staff of the Shifa hospital has requested that tomorrow we help the babies in the pediatric department to get to a safer hospital. We will provide the assistance needed,” Hagari told a news conference.

Tho' it's a mystery where they'll go considering the state of the other hospitals and that Al Shifa has the biggest NICU

This is their land. The Palestinians want to stay on their own land. Why can’t you understand that. Of course they are being moved to access the oil. Would you be happy to be forced to move to another country because someone stole your home?

Sorry x-posted with @Motorina

That's assuming they'll be alive tomorrow. Premature neonates, lying on a hospital floor, with no oxygen, medication or fluids. You wouldn't see a stray dog treated this way 💔

Don't worry. It is, on the face of it, good news. Worth sharing twice.

(Fingers crossed both that it happens, and that those babies survive to be evacuated.)

I can never condone the actions of the IDF overall, and although this gesture has come too late for some babies - credit where it is due. Hagari has made the right choice and I hope he is able to ensure those babies safe passage to a hospital where they will have the best chance at life. I hope their parents, if still alive, will also be afforded safe passage with them.

I hope they are, and that Hagari keeps his word. It is already too late for some babies, and it should be now instead of later, you're completely right.
I'm hopeful at seeing a shred of humanity from the IDF, I can only hope it leads to more. 🤞

Guess we'll have to see what happens but 37 babies would be an enormous ask for any one hospital to take under normal circumstances so they'll likely go to different places - and maybe even Egypt if well enough to travel that far Can't imagine they'd go to Israel atm

This is utterly atrocious and the IDF are baby murderers. They have cut off oxygen to babies.

Why are they just bombing the hospital?? Why not carry out a ground invasion???
Because it's all just an excuse to destroy more infrastructure.

The IDF have been releasing some audio recordings, this is one of them co-ordinating the evacuation of Rantisi hospital:

https://twitter.com/IDF/status/1723419278383223295

Evacuating the babies would be the bare minimum they should do, after all everyone has suffered there.

The Al Shifa hospital director is saying that his 37 babies are without electricity, they’ve asked for them to be taken out safely but the IDF keeps saying 1 hr only. He says it’s impossible to do this in an hour.

Just stunned at the heartlessness that is being shown.

@TakeMe2Insanity now sounding more like a cynical PR gesture than a kind offer - like I hinted earlier the logistics don't make much sense even without expecting it all to be done and dusted in an hour

There used to be 130 prem babies [spread over several units], talked about but not seen that mentioned for a couple weeks now

Does anyone know anything about this? I have only found it mentioned on CNBC, jpost and times of Israel.

Edited to add - genuine question. Trying to work out if it's true or not.

And that’s an entirely reasonable position, but it’s not like he was supporting them in the sense that he was pro-Hamas- he simply wanted a solution to the problem and went with a pragmatic, of questionable method. Now, I don’t actually know any Hamas commanders myself, but I imagine some of them could have been bought off. Maybe he thought he could do it all round. I don’t know- but it’s not the same as him being some kind of clandestine Hamas supporter using them to manipulate the war between Israel and Gaza- it was a realpolitik decision made to turn a blind eye to corruption, because, as you say, he didn’t believe they could achieve what they achieved. Clearly he was wrong about that.

I suspect you’re right anyway- he’s been on the outs for a while, and the October 7 attacks represent such a large failure of the intelligence services that I suspect he will will be held accountable.

If they simply evacuate to another hospital within Gaza then it is a PR gesture and no more.