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How do prevent the rise of anti Semitic feeling in the UK?

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mids2019 · 03/11/2023 10:09

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12705139/Jewish-ambassador-says-London-feels-safe-Israel-jihad-ideology-exploded-capitals-streets.html

Will the continuous marches in London lead to an environment where anti semitism becomes acceptable? There has been a massive rise in hate crime against Jews and surely in the UK we have a duty to prevent any platform which may lead to unjustified hatred of a group in the UK?

I feel we should feel pride we have a diverse society with a while range of ethnicities and religions but we should always act to encourage social cohesion by not allowing events that could contain messages of hate.

Although the support of the Palestinian people is absolutely reasonable in terms of free speech in a democratic society and it is reasonable to comment on the actions of the Israeli state at times the marches in a lot of major British cities have the danger of including terrorist apologists.

Jewish ambassador says London feels less safe than Israel

Tzipi Hotovely told the Daily Telegraph that the Jewish community felt fear due to 'jihad ideology' witnessed during pro-Palestinian protests in the capital city over the past month.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12705139/Jewish-ambassador-says-London-feels-safe-Israel-jihad-ideology-exploded-capitals-streets.html

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25milesfromhome · 14/12/2023 21:46

But not to worry, according to people who apparently know better than we do, the sole aim of Hamas is freedom from “the Zionists”, definitely not targeting Jews worldwide.
Isn’t it?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/14/four-arrested-in-europe-over-alleged-cross-border-hamas-terrorism-plot

Four people have been arrested in Germany and the Netherlands on suspicion of being part of a cross-border Hamas terrorism plot that German federal prosecutors said aimed to target Jewish institutions in Europe.

Three others were arrested in Denmark on apparently related terrorism offences, and while police in Copenhagen were more circumspect about the details, the prime minister, Mette Frederiksen, said the threat was “as serious as it gets”.

The office of Germany’s federal prosecutor said three men were detained in Berlin and the fourth in Rotterdam on Thursday and were described as “longstanding members of Hamas” who had links to its military wing and “have participated in Hamas operations abroad”.

Four arrested in Europe over alleged cross-border Hamas terrorism plot

Three held in Germany and one in Netherlands over plans for possible attacks on Jewish institutions, prosecutor says

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/14/four-arrested-in-europe-over-alleged-cross-border-hamas-terrorism-plot

etmoiandme · 14/12/2023 22:12

Scary. I've never been in favour of the protests being cancelled over here, even though they make me feel really uncomfortable. But I was glad Macron banned them in France tbqh.

EasternStandard · 14/12/2023 22:28

etmoiandme · 14/12/2023 22:12

Scary. I've never been in favour of the protests being cancelled over here, even though they make me feel really uncomfortable. But I was glad Macron banned them in France tbqh.

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That’s scary

XRAYTHIS · 15/12/2023 05:35

I think this is why France banned pro Palestine marches because they are aware of the anti semitism it continues to fuel. They appear to have a base of individuals who would take violent action.

I'm worried that those in the UK are growing bolder too.

etmoiandme · 16/12/2023 18:57

For the 'evidence please' crowd. Some pretty rank UK hard-left antisemitism. 'Tez' is a self-identified comedian closely connected to Corbyn and STWC.

This is absolutely common, bog-standard stuff that's been directed toward Jews from the left for years now.

https://twitter.com/joshxhowie/status/1736061271286444508

https://twitter.com/joshxhowie/status/1736061271286444508

BigFrau · 17/12/2023 14:47

I knew 'Tez' was going to be Tez Ilyas before I even looked.
I have personal experience of this person and there's nothing he won't do to get into the limelight.
Including making tasteless "jokes" about dead Jews.
I like your description 'self-identified comedian' though.

stomachameleon · 17/12/2023 15:40

Peak thirst.

etmoiandme · 17/12/2023 15:42

@BigFrau I was just reading Corbyn got him to do an Instagram 'takeover' of his own account.

Another far-left antisemite for the 'evidence please' crowd. Who knew Wikipedia had it's own Morning Star Supporters page! Anyway, he's certainly saying the quiet bit out loud.

https://twitter.com/Steve_Cooke/status/1736163973865607472

https://www.keywiki.org/Phil_Oakland

https://twitter.com/Steve_Cooke/status/1736163973865607472

Xenia · 20/12/2023 18:01

That pro Hamas propaganda in a UK school is very biased. Even saying "some were killed " rather than 1200 were killed including babies is biased.

I have no problems with secondary pupils debating when is killing justified as a general religious moral or legal issue but the pro Hamas bias is appalling. I hope the teacher concerned has explained the context

XRAYTHIS · 21/12/2023 09:29

Wow let's find ways to justify terrorism. Come on kids try to find ways to explain that raping women is resistance and not wrong. Obviously entering another country by breaking down the border fences, grabbing people at a peace festival, entering homes and shooting people, grabbing children, women are dragging them over the border and keeping underground, drugged up is ok because......500 words.

Unbelievable.

XRAYTHIS · 21/12/2023 09:32

Xenia · 20/12/2023 18:01

That pro Hamas propaganda in a UK school is very biased. Even saying "some were killed " rather than 1200 were killed including babies is biased.

I have no problems with secondary pupils debating when is killing justified as a general religious moral or legal issue but the pro Hamas bias is appalling. I hope the teacher concerned has explained the context

We have a slow seep into accepting resistance aka terrorism is ok and justified. Start them young. University is another place to play with words and not condemn. It's disgusting and could be grooming

XRAYTHIS · 21/12/2023 09:36

I know many sneer at the DM but the writer makes some valid points.

They are not peace marches since they only address Israel and never call out hamas. A few signs suggesting hamas might stop too would help. Glad they aren't getting the publicity they previously did since hatred directed at UK Jewish people who have nothing to do with what's happening in Gaza.

FordAnglia · 21/12/2023 10:13

mids2019 · 03/11/2023 10:09

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12705139/Jewish-ambassador-says-London-feels-safe-Israel-jihad-ideology-exploded-capitals-streets.html

Will the continuous marches in London lead to an environment where anti semitism becomes acceptable? There has been a massive rise in hate crime against Jews and surely in the UK we have a duty to prevent any platform which may lead to unjustified hatred of a group in the UK?

I feel we should feel pride we have a diverse society with a while range of ethnicities and religions but we should always act to encourage social cohesion by not allowing events that could contain messages of hate.

Although the support of the Palestinian people is absolutely reasonable in terms of free speech in a democratic society and it is reasonable to comment on the actions of the Israeli state at times the marches in a lot of major British cities have the danger of including terrorist apologists.

so focussed on peace is she that in an interview with Sky last week she absolutely ruled out any 2 state solution at any point in the future. Interview widely available.

stomachameleon · 21/12/2023 10:43

@FordAnglia until the status quo changes a two state solution is not in the foreseeable future though is it?

FordAnglia · 21/12/2023 10:54

stomachameleon · 21/12/2023 10:43

@FordAnglia until the status quo changes a two state solution is not in the foreseeable future though is it?

what do you mean by the status quo?
In any case she said NEVER EVER.
Such statements are very rare from a diplomat for anywhere.
Especially as she, quite correctly, acknowledged that after an election the government might change.
This is the interview on youtube:

I think there may be a slightly longer clip on the Sky News website - that's what I? watched the other day.
When folk show/tell you who they are, believe them.

Two-state solution not a possibility, Israeli ambassador tells Sky News | Israel-Hamas war

Israel's ambassador to the UK has told Sky News' Mark Austin that her country would not accept a two-state solution when the war with Gaza ends.When pressed ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYOv_Jb8cA0

stomachameleon · 21/12/2023 11:42

@FordAnglia I am not sure why you are linking this to her statement about anti semitism in London and the uk at large?

She is the ambassador to the uk and I don't really see your point? Her opinion isn't valid as she shared she doesn't see a two state solution?

stomachameleon · 21/12/2023 23:21

apple.news/AACMWw4AXQ4KTkaSwZoElzQ

Todays news. Shocking behaviour.

EllaDisenchanted · 22/12/2023 08:24

@stomachameleon that link doesn’t work for me?

basculin · 22/12/2023 08:44

stomachameleon · 21/12/2023 23:21

apple.news/AACMWw4AXQ4KTkaSwZoElzQ

Todays news. Shocking behaviour.

A nine month social media ban? For planning to attack someone?

TheaBrandt · 22/12/2023 14:22

My 15 year old has experienced hearing anti semitic remarks from 15/16 year old boys. Her friends are scared to wear jewellery with Jewish symbols on to parties 😔😔

stomachameleon · 24/12/2023 12:23

apple.news/ATAyNTqU5QWaceJ-FfvLe4Q

The Guardian today.

Trulywonderful · 24/12/2023 13:20

Don't know what you mean I see no Jew hate here or in the UK

🤔

Seriously it is like some people either walk around blindfolded and with ear muffs on or are big fat lairs that hate Jews

On or the other I believe because frankly as clear evidence suggests these are the only two options

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