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MistyMooPup · 2023-10-10T11:14:29+00:00

Not all of Israel. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said he will obliterate Hamas. But undoubtedly hundred if not thousands of civilians will now be killed. I’m not sure what Hamas thought the end game if this would be? What have the Iranians convinced them of? This was a sophisticated operation, outside help was given for definite. I’m not sure it’s possible to rationalise with dehumanised terrorists, neither am I sure what the end game will be, but I just can’t understand what Hamas expected if not a total war/strikes from Israel in retaliation.

affeny · 10/10/2023 15:00

I'm afraid that while I don't agree with the conspiracy theory, it was such a massive security failure that I think it's understandable some people are coming to such conclusions.

Lonesomefetter · 10/10/2023 15:00

The only reason people are pretend weeping for isreali people is because it's on the news. You drive by virtue signallers.

SinnerBoy · 10/10/2023 15:01

I've been thinking about why Hamas would carry out such a large scale, brutal attack, knowing exactly how Israel would respond. Could it be that they hope that the response is so brutal that nobody can support Israel's response?

Hamas don't care how many Palestinians are killed, to try to achieve their aims.

Tempnamechng · 10/10/2023 15:01

I can't imagine how parents either side must feel. The raid on the festival was stepping it up to a whole new level and the only outcome was the wrath of the Israeli forces. I've said on another thread that a theme with Islamic terrorists seems to be rape and trafficking; the image of that poor young woman taken away on the motorbike is haunting, and the way they and apparently a lot of young men on Facebook are celebrating what happened is sickening and has turned the western world against them.

Lonesomefetter · 10/10/2023 15:03

Because @Tempnamechng you have only been paying attention for the last 5 minutes, as intended.

Moonlightdust · 10/10/2023 15:04

Hamas are a bloody terrorist group

Ratsoffasinkingsauage · 10/10/2023 15:04

Hamas are planning another set of attacks. They’ve told residents of the port city of Ashkelon, which is nine miles north of Gaza to be out by 5pm. So obviously planning more bombings and ground assaults.

For what? For what purpose other than their own glory? They don’t seem to care about the collateral damage- as long as they get to kill Israelis and push the whole region into all our war.

And people sit on her defending them. The most bigoted group of people in the world, along with the Iranian government who are their allies, and some people can’t help but say ‘well Israel had it coming’.

Hamas play the international community like a fiddle when it suits them but only have their interests at heart. Why would they want peace when war brings in so much money for them?

Ibizafun · 10/10/2023 15:06

soddingspiderseason · 10/10/2023 12:55

Hamas knew exactly what response Israel would take. They want war - Jihad - and don't care one iota about the lives of ordinary Palestinian people. Can't believe there's already daft conspiracy theories that are victim blaming Israel for Hamas's appalling terrorism. Give your heads a wobble.

Exactly this

Lonesomefetter · 10/10/2023 15:08

I just shake my fucking head, people are so easily manipulated. Well duh @Moonlightdust , do you think the Irish people deserved to be deprived of water because of the IRA?

HerMammy · 10/10/2023 15:10

Israel have killed 7000 Palestinians in the last 15 years, I've yet to see an outcry about that.

Lonesomefetter · 10/10/2023 15:10

Why do people equate hamas with the Palestinian people? Racism that's why.

BlurredEdges · 10/10/2023 15:12

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No Israeli no matter how warlike would have allowed women, children, elderly people to be slaughtered in cold blood, gang raped, murdered live on Facebook, paraded around naked.

Your neighbour is a stupid, antisemitic wanker.

Ibizafun · 10/10/2023 15:12

dimsumfatsum · 10/10/2023 13:01

By killing the Palestinians and forcing them out to neighbouring Muslim countries, Israel will have achieved its purpose- to have the entire country to itself. The Israeli ambassador was baying for blood on last nights Channel 4 news. The whole thing stinks to high even and they're now going to use to 'poor Israel' rhetoric to get their way. Hmmm...

If this happened in the UK and terrorists were murdering grandparents in their homes and uploading the murders on their facebook page for their grandchildren to see, wouldn't you be a tad more sympathetic?

BlurredEdges · 10/10/2023 15:13

Lonesomefetter · 10/10/2023 15:00

The only reason people are pretend weeping for isreali people is because it's on the news. You drive by virtue signallers.

It's because it's my friends and family, and because I'm a human being. Fffffffffff off.

BlurredEdges · 10/10/2023 15:14

lillylovely1993 · 10/10/2023 12:51

Agree

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For fucks sake. This is fucking disgusting.

So MN take down anti-vaxxer posts but allow this jew-baiting racist bullshit?

PumpkinsAndCoconuts · 10/10/2023 15:19

soddingspiderseason · 10/10/2023 12:55

Hamas knew exactly what response Israel would take. They want war - Jihad - and don't care one iota about the lives of ordinary Palestinian people. Can't believe there's already daft conspiracy theories that are victim blaming Israel for Hamas's appalling terrorism. Give your heads a wobble.

This.

An unstable region may also benefit other global players.

Such as Iran. Or Russia, which will try to use this crisis.

BlurredEdges · 10/10/2023 15:20

dimsumfatsum · 10/10/2023 13:01

By killing the Palestinians and forcing them out to neighbouring Muslim countries, Israel will have achieved its purpose- to have the entire country to itself. The Israeli ambassador was baying for blood on last nights Channel 4 news. The whole thing stinks to high even and they're now going to use to 'poor Israel' rhetoric to get their way. Hmmm...

You see hundreds of young women raped and slaughtered in cold blood and your response is to mock 'poor israel'?

Fucking hell

EasternStandard · 10/10/2023 15:24

BlurredEdges · 10/10/2023 15:20

You see hundreds of young women raped and slaughtered in cold blood and your response is to mock 'poor israel'?

Fucking hell

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@BlurredEdges no words but some posts are just really off

Spaghettimouth · 10/10/2023 15:25

Israel have, for decades, slaughtered, kidnapped and raped Palestinian people. I’ve been to the West Bank and witnessed the generational trauma. The Israelis continue to bulldoze swathes of Palestinian territory against international law, displacing thousands. What Hamas has done is equally abhorrent. Let’s not be selective in our outcry. I condemn them both.

soddingspiderseason · 10/10/2023 15:26

HerMammy · 10/10/2023 15:10

Israel have killed 7000 Palestinians in the last 15 years, I've yet to see an outcry about that.

So that makes what Hamas did acceptable?! Terrorism is justifiable?! No. You are condoning the massacre of innocents.

AmongTheNations · 10/10/2023 15:29

HerMammy · 10/10/2023 15:10

Israel have killed 7000 Palestinians in the last 15 years, I've yet to see an outcry about that.

When have the Israeli defence forces ever acted like this? https://www.thejc.com/news/israel/hamas-terrorists-murdered-40-babies-including-beheadings-says-report-2fdcCmtBjFvAcCCf5MDwKU

https://www.thejc.com/news/israel/hamas-terrorists-murdered-40-babies-including-beheadings-says-report-2fdcCmtBjFvAcCCf5MDwKU

beachcitygirl · 10/10/2023 15:30

Hamas are horrific.

To use collective punishment on 2.2 million people. Is genocide.
Over 50% of Palestinians are children.

That bastard called them human animals.

I think I recognise dehumanising language in order to wipe out a population.

There are scenes of apocalyptic destruction in Gaza. Children and babies sheltering in a UN hospital murdered as an act of revenge. I wonder if anyone can tell me what these babies did.

The minute we lose our human empathy all is lost.

Peace is the only answer not the obliteration of Gaza & Palestinians

Israeli politician Tally Gotliv wants to use a nuclear weapon to kill a million children.
That's got a name.
GENOCIDE

Ibizafun · 10/10/2023 15:31

Some pure and unadulterated antisemitism on here. Just to knock the heinous conspiracy theories" on the head, a close relative is extremely high up in IDF Intelligence.. Israel fucked up big time. That's right.. they didn't conspire to slaughter their families.

soddingspiderseason · 10/10/2023 15:32

BlueYonder57 · 10/10/2023 13:45

I suspect that Hamas were really more interested in preventing any peaceful settlement or movement towards it. They do not represent Palestinians or Muslims - they are terrorists, and terrorists do not require logical or good reasons to do what they do. They have been hiding behind ordinary Palestinian people for a long time, so why should they care if their shield includes Israelis? I do not always like Israeli policy either, but I do wonder what apologists for the entirely unprovoked mass assault and murder of Israeli citizens expected the country to do. Or what their attitude would be if a foreign power attacked the UK, bombing and murdering. I can't help but compare how so many people think Israel should just accept the threat of Hamas to the almost universal outcry at the mere thought of allowing one Muslim woman to return to the UK because she is percieved to be a huge threat to us.

Wars never have good reason, really. And they never "end well". But of course all the wars that we conduct are for the greater good, and so it is fine for us to deplore what others do to defend themselves. I do not want to see innocent Palestinians suffer either, nor do I want to see people killed. But be clear - Hamas want to see every Jew driven from Israel, and they will be fine if that means killing every single one of them.

I don't know what the solution is, and I don't know how or when this will end. But this is infinitely more complex than "a bit of peace-keeping", and if we have learned nothing from even recent history, it is that when terrorists achieve their goal, then they don't stop, they move on to their next targets. Isn't that why we set out to destroy ISIS? And we had little regard for the civilians killed in our attacks on them. The West is not in a position to tell Israel it should do any less than they did themselves. It's not what any of us would wish for, but stones don't do well when you have a glass house.

Absolutely this.

beachcitygirl · 10/10/2023 15:35

Ibizafun · 10/10/2023 15:31

Some pure and unadulterated antisemitism on here. Just to knock the heinous conspiracy theories" on the head, a close relative is extremely high up in IDF Intelligence.. Israel fucked up big time. That's right.. they didn't conspire to slaughter their families.

I can't believe people are suggesting such a thing. I'm sorry for any Jewish or Israeli people listening to this vile crap