The WIMBEWAIF and WIMBEWAINF 2WW club, new and existing members welcome.

[Bucky2008]

Ahhh, look how nice and clean and new this thread is .

And there is a big ScaryHairy birthday cake for us all to share. I am not being good till after Thursday afterall...

Haven't caught up properly as am just on way out to work but just wanted to say hope all goes well at the appt today gg. Will be thinking of you xx

Hi to everyone else!!

Ah yes, thinking of you GG.

hi ladies
good luck today GG il be thin kin about you today
xx ei xx

hello all

Bucky - please don't be disheartened by Mr Needles. I am so sorry you are disheartened. Big (((((higs))))) to you. I know how you feel . You want to be told that whatever issue you have can be "fixed" and to be enthused that there is a solution. I felt a complete fraud at my first appointment, because there is nothing really to "treat" me for when we ran through the list of issues I had. I had no real problem to be treated, 'cept for trying to maximise my receptiveness to DH's swimmers on zimmers. It isn't a cure, but I view it as preparation for ICSI and getting body and mind in the best shape they can be to carry a baby. I think scary is right when she says you have to view it holistically as a tune up, not a targeted treatment. Accupuncture makes me feel good - whether that's a placebo effect or truly all my yin and yang balancing out and my chi free flowing, I don't know! Maybe it's not for you? I honestly think that Mr Needles lack of promises is a good sign. That he is reputable (is that the right term?) and he doesn't claim quack-style miracles, but everyone gels differently with doctors and you have to be comfortable.

ei - that is brilliant news abotu the referral. Really pleased for you and the days until the 28th of August will fly past and then a BFP shall be yours, I am sure.

scary - i have just googled the lunar fertility stuff. In fact (now that the matter I was working on has cratered) I have been checking out weird and not so weird fertility rites. At the moment, I have emailed DH details of holidays in Dorset so we can have a quick shag on the cerne Abbas giant's penis in the hope that will get his swimmers motoring

picknmix - any more news form your doctor about your DH's sperm test. I can't even imagine how frustrated you must be by al this . Big ((((higs))))) to you too.

caitni - haha , I pounced on my DH last night . It's CD13 for me today, so we are there or thereabouts for OV in my 28 day cycles.

Crapping myself about the appointment this afternoon and will update you all tomorrow morning as the internet is down at home, so have to log on in the office. I have NO idea what to expect (or what to ask ). The letter wasn't exactly explicit as to what we'd be doing, so it's a magical mystery tour sort of appointment! DH (being the super organised soul that he is) put togethe ra file of all our paperwork to take just in case the NHS has lost bits or files haven't been transferred. He has asked for/kept copie sof everythign and it has saved us a couple of times already having the info to hand.

Right, I'm off to bite my nails for a few hours and wonder what's happening next for us in the great TTC marathon. This month and next really is our last chance saloon to TTC naturally. Hopefully, the results of DH's sterling efforts consuming NO alcohol and to eat lots of fruit/veg/seeds/organic every day, should be beginning to work [fingers crossed emoticon]

hello to anyone missed!

GGx

GG Not long to go now before your appt. Hope it goes well. Don't worry about not having read the book, i'm sure you are already more informed than most people they see! Maybe get a contact name & number of someone you can ring afterwards, incase you & DH get home and suddenly think of lots of things you want to ask. Thinking of you both & with you all the way. XX

Bucky poor Molly - we had a cat like that once. It just took a long, long, time. I'm sorry you feel down after yesterday - maybe perservere with it for a bit, & if it's not for you, there are other alternative therapies out there that may suit you better.

SH LOL at whether the consultant is the sort of person i'd like to get me pregnant!! I did get home and say to DH that in the middle of the meeting i looked at the consultant trying to work out whether i could imagine him with his hand up my bits! He was ok actually, had quite a nice manner. Lunar fertility looks interesting - am going to read up on it!

EI glad you've got your appt through and it's not too long away. Hope the meeting about the job goes well.

Caitni get pouncing - practice makes perfect!!

PnM have your achy muscles recovered from Sunday yet?

Well, CD2 for me - AF turned up as expected yesterday. Officially now NOT ttc. Feels strange. DH & i just desperately hoping that ICSI will be suitable for us, & that I will get a normal smear test result next time. The next few months are going to draggggggggggggg.

MOB - for you at AF turning up, even when you know it will. It must be so hard for you not TTC after months of trying so hard. Have you sought any more advice from GP or anyone else as to whether ICSI will be suitable for you and your DH and where you might go for treatment? Thanks for the good wishes for this afternoon - means a lot to know there are people looking out for me . I don't know what to expect at all, but I'll post first thing tomorrow with what happened. Maybe I'll learn something that might be useful for us ICSI people generally. Who knows, we might be going through it at the same time - ICSI buddies !

It's a lovely sunny day today in Ye Olde London Towne. River is all sparkly outside and work is slower (thank goodness!) so I am pstching myself up. Don't know why I am so jittery about this appointment !

Ah GG hope its all going well. Hopefully you will have a positive update for us tomorrow.

I forgot to mention, I 'fessed up to Mr Needles (who looks about 12 years old BTW) that he has a big following now. I didn't name any names and actually he said he hadn't noticed a massive surge of ttc women or anything , which is I guess a good thing in a way (as he is not freaked out) and a bad thing as apparently women with WIM BEWAI(N)F issues must be way more common than we originally thought.

I went a bit mental (no change there) last night and had a big cry on DPs shoulder. He was soooo sweet, it was incredible. It actually started with me being a complete b*tch about the fact that he was drinking all the mineral water that I had purchased to ensure that I would not have to drink evil hormone infested tap water, and it turned out that he was doing loads AND LOADS of healthy stuff to hopefully contribute to us having a more successful month this month. He didn't even tell me what he was doing, I just thought he was competing with me and was getting peed off about how much more willpower he has than me as he wasn't eating/drinking anything naughty and was drinking water and doing loads of exercise and already I have caved (only once) and had a sliver of treacle tart . How amazing is that, he is actually trying harder than me (although I really am trying hard) and he didn't even tell me!

MOB crappy old AF. Sorry she got you and sorry you are having an 'onhold' period . It is great however, that you are sticking around . We are like a little family (ahhh) and you are part of it. Can't have you going all AWOL can we, we would miss you. I wish Hatty and Abby would come back and tell us how they are getting on, I think they must be ok though.

Hello everyone,

Good luck for today GG. I love how your DH has become so committed to everything with his healthy eating and organised files. I'm sure they will be nice and gentle with you at the first appointment . Good luck!

Bucky Sorry to hear you're feeling down. Your DP is a real sweetie too. I think it is good news Mr Needles didn't find anything to target specifically, a general tune up sounds just the ticket! Have you tried removing the door bit and trying to get Molly to go through the hole? That's how we trained our old cat. Hope she gets the hang of it soon.

MOB I'm so sorry you are having to take a break from TTC, it must be very difficult {{{{{hugs}}}}}}

PnM Well done on your mammoth walk! I hope you've recovered. How at your GP. I cannot believe it is going to take so long for a simple test. Hopefully you'll get a BFP long before then which you can rub the GP's face in.... maybe not literally

ei I'm really pleased you have an appointment and really soon! Good luck with your job appointment

Hello to SH and caitni and anyone I've inadvertently missed.

Everything is fine with me and Jollycub. I'm getting a nice tubby tummy and matching swollen ankles

hello there - very quick post form me to update you, as I have a meeting at 11

We went yesterday to the Hammersmith hospital and we are now down for ICSI. It was a bit anti-climactic - answering the same questions as before, but this time so Westminster will fund our two cycles of ICSI. Doctor was absolutely lovely (she was Greek and I used to work there, so she was a bit shocked when I replied in Greek to a question ). She said to call her any time with questions and I felt really comfortable with her. She seemed to think DH's sperm results were pretty good for someone with sub-fertility and originally recommended us for straight IVF, until we said, hang on a minute we thought it was ICSI!!!

Because DH's motility/morphology of 45%+ was pretty good in her view, it was just count that she was concerned about and while it was low "it could be improved" and that's why she thought IVF. But she laughed and said, "Oh I can put you down for anyting we like - let's stick down ICSI and that's all fine!".

So I am more hopeful of TTC naturally again after her reaction, although if that was the case why didn't it happen in the first 18 months of trying? Still, doesn't hurt to be optimistic, I suppose.

The down side is that there is a lot more waiting time for us Six months time limit to start treatment from now, so realistically, we are looking at the New Year before we get started with ICSI. It could be quicker than that, but whatever happens it's still going to be months away. Two years from when we first started TTC. What a marathon!

Sorry I don't have time to check up and respond to everyone individually and sorry for the me me me post . I will look in later and read through the thread I get a sec. I'm off to Mr Needles too this afternoon.

GGx

I'm really glad that it went well for you GG and that you liked the Consultant. It's excellent that she thought your DH's sperm is not that bad - surely that means they should have some really prime ones to pick from for the ICSI?

Hello jollybear - lovely to hear about tubby tums - it reminds me of what nice things there are at the end of all this!

Poor Bucky, it does sound like you are having a hard time. It's brilliant that your DP is making such an effort though.

I am sorry that your period arrived MOB and I hope that the waiting period flies by. As I think I have said before, the 3 month wait to ttc after my ectopic wasn't too bad. I just looked on it as a chance to do all the things I won't be able to do once I get that BFP! I'm very glad you are not leaving us; I would miss you far too much.

Higs to the rest of you, hope you're enjpying Thursday.

I am still missing my egg, which I hope will hatch tomorrow or Saturday. We're off on holiday tomorrow for a week and I cannot wait! So I will go quiet for a week but will "see" you all when I get back. And I have to go see the gynae on the 11th (Arg! I am feeling a little chicken about that as it gets closer. I am sure he/she will think I am totally foolish for making a fuss...)

GG so glad it went well, and that she thinks your DH's results are better than you'd been told. That must be so great to hear (especially when his good efforts mean his sperm is probably going to get even better). And I'm glad you're comfortable with the doctor. She sounds lovely! Six months will fly by, especially with Bali in August and staying healthy and happy.

SH Have a great time on holidays! And don't worry too much about the gynae - you're not "making a fuss"! You've had an ectopic and a CP and it's perfectly normal for you to ask for reassurance, and further investigation if necessary.

MOB it will be difficult to not be ttc for the momennt . I'm hoping that the time flies just as quickly for you as for GG and that the new year brings you a healthy smear result so you can get back to ttc xx

Bucky sorry that you were upset, but it's good you got things off your chest. Your DP sounds like a sweetheart (and a well-hydrated one at that!).

Jolly so good to hear from you! As SH says, it's good to remember what we're all looking forward to at the end of this

Hi to Ei & PnM and anyone else who's about. I am crazily busy today, so only time for a flying visit to see how GG got on.
xx

In a mad rush... just got in and off out again. Just wanted to say glad it went well yesterday GG sounds like you have a good dr, and you never know, with all the hard work your DH has put in, it may happen naturally in the next few months - and if not, then you have every chance of sucess with the ICSI.

Will read all posts properly tomorrow, and reply to everyone else then as well!!!

MOB XX

Like everyone else just popping in to see how GG got on. Sounds good. The time is a pain, but it seems to be the theme of the month at the moment what with PicknMixs SA and my Dec consultation! I don't mean to sound dismissive of it though, it is a long time to have to wait, but they have to give you the official waiting times. They told me that at my hospital when my operation came round within weeks after them saying it would be months!

Higs for everyone else. Have the best holiday SH.

Hello ladies - just a quicky to say glad all went well with appts GG and Bucky despite marathon waiting time - fingers crossed they are average/worst case and things get moving soon And esp god news that ttc naturally may not be such a long shot for the swimmers with zimmers - keep up the symptom spotting ladies

All going well with miblet - 22 weeks now ! 20 week scan went well, getting quite a bump now !

Hello to all the other lovely symptom spotting ladies in here

just a quick one to say GG im glad your appointment went well i hope you get a speedy appointment for ICSI or even better you get a BFP before you need to appointment
for all who are interested aswell i got my job i start on 11th august i cant wait im over the moon
i hope evryone has a lovely n ight
xx ei xx

I haven't posted for a while but I've been keeping up with all your goings on.

Bucky How lovely of your DP to be trying so hard yet so discretely (SP?) I'm assuming Mr Needles is accupuncture, I've heard that is great for fertility, I'm still having reflexology I don't know if it helped me get PG but I feel reassued by it and I hope what ever it is works for you. And on the dog flap situation I used a couple of pegs either side to hold the flap open whilst my cats got used to actually going thru the hole, might help?

GG Marathon is the right word for you. I'm so pleased you felt comfortable with the doctor as that can make such a difference. I hope you fall PG naturally before the new year

Ei I'm glad you've been refered for MC's to be looked into and I hope you get a sticky one very soon. Many congratulations on the job front

MOB I do hope the next few months don't drag and an unexpected BFP shows up

PnM Well done on the fund raising

Hello to everyone I've missed personally lots of good vibes to you all

I'm very big now 29 wks but measuring two weeks ahead dd was 9lb 2oz and midwife tells me I'm not destined to have a small baby, ouch! All is well though and for that I'm truly grateful. I just can't wait to hear all my TTC buddies on this thread are having their much wanted babies - good luck to you all. x

hello lovely ladies!

I went out for lunch and had too many vinos , but it was really good fun. I met my best friend for lunch and I hadn't seen her in months and months, it was lovely and the time flew past.

07MTW and mibbes - I am so excited for you both and that Baby MTW and The Miblet is getting bigger by the day . Hope you are having a dream pregancies and that you'll pop in here when little MTW and Miblet are born and tell us names and everything abou the birth, 'cause we'll be cyber aunties

Ei - that is fantastic new about your new job! I'm so pleased for you. Big congratulations. Where are you working and is it your dream job? Also, what is the maternity cover like?!

hello everyone else. i don't broadband at home at the moment and using my crappy moble to log on here is veeeerrrry tedious for posting, so will probably not post again until Monday at this rate. Is anyone testing this weekend? Any AF's due? I pounced on DH again this morning and had my wicked way with him . Hell, the TTC physical part is fun, even if nothing else about it is! CD16 oday for me and think I may have OV-ed today, so gave it another good shot. The 2WW begins (AGAIN!)

have a lovely sunny weekend everyone and hello to scary MOB Bucky caitni picknmix and everone else.

GGx

AAh thanks GG you are a sweetie - I like to try and keep up with you all and am constantly throwing quiet bucketfuls of babydust over you all . Let's hope your wicked way pays off and your DH's 'swimmers with walking sticks (purely for balance as they're actually pretty mobile)' do the job this month. I know it probably feels unlikely but hey you've got to be in it to win it and there are a lot of MNers with their fingers tightly crossed for you.
Am indeed having a pretty easy PG so far - so far so good

Sorry ladies, haven't had time to catch up properly, and we are off on holiday early tomorrow morning! (only for a week)

So, love to you all, and so sorry not to "speak" to you all individually.

I'll try and check for any news on my mobile!! (although it's not always easy)

Have a good week everyone!

Evening all

Sorry I've been a bit slack in posting...busy busy week.

GG I'm so pleased to hear that your appt went ok. Such positive news that your DH's swimmers aren't quite the geriatric zimmer needing sperms you previously thought - and if your DH keeps up the impressive attitude they can only get even better. 6 months does seem like such a long time for you to wait - fingers crossed its just an estimate and the appt comes through a lot quicker.

How are you feeling now Bucky? Your DH sounds like a secret superman what with his brilliant behind the scenes efforts. Really hope that they pay off. Agree with the others that I think its a good thing Mr Needles has nothing specific to work on - means you're streets ahead in terms of sorting out probs and then dealing with the small stuff - you're already at the small stuff stage! I do know what you mean about wanting something to be wrong so that it can be fixed though (its a kinda weird way to think about it but I felt the same after my blood test results as I feel that its just plain old bad luck that there's no baby just yet).

Mob I'm sorry to hear period arrived and that you're now on your enforced break . I really wish I had a magic wand for you but, as others have said, its really nice to hear you're gonna hang around with us though. Wouldn't be the same without you. Hope you have a fab week away (are you going somewhere lovely?).

How are you Caitni? Are you heading down to watch the Pride parade this weekend? I have a few friends who will be partaking - sounds like a fab day out, such flamboyant costumes!!

Congratulations Ei!! Really fab news for you! Can you pass some of that good job hunting luck over this way? I've got an interview in a few weeks so fingers crossed!!

Hope you have a lovely time away SH - agree with the others, you are perfectly justified in visiting your gp and I hope he/she are able to give you some advice and reasurance.

Really lovely to hear from you JB and that Jollycub is behaving him/herself at the moment!

Also lovely to hear from you Mibbes!! Can't believe you're already 29 weeks ! Am so pleased all is well with you and Miblet

Would also love to hear from CBCB/Hatty and Abbymeg - if you're lurking, hope is going ok!

I noticed the other day that Twinklingfairy is due this month (I think) - I'm sure it wasn't that long ago she was posting on here??

I'm all ok here - am about 6dpo (according to FF) and we gave it a good 'crack' this month - sex every other day for 2 weeks (does anyone else find it a bit 'hard going'?! ). Can't help but feel positive this month but wont hold my breath... Dh is now on the cancellation list for the SA. He's going to put in a formal complaint though - he's as cross about it as I am. Bloody postcode lottery

Hi PnM, so glad you are feeling positive this month - everything crossed for you, will be watching with interest, any symptoms to report ?
Am only 22 weeks - you gave me fright there I had to double check ! I think it is MTW who is 29 weeks.
I'll give abbymeg and Hatty a shout for you as they're on same AN thread as me

hi ladies
hope you are all doing well
PnM twinklingfairy isnt due til november i checked after you posted as i was sure it was only recent that she had all theb molar preg troubles. it says on the nov 08 antenatal that shes due 26th nov
i cant believe MTW and mibbesy are so far along in their pregs wow how time flies when you sit on your arse on MN
hope everyone has a nice night and a lovely weekend
MOB have a great holiday
GG youre not going away this weekend are you? either way get some BDing in as you have gotta BD in it to win it
xx ei xx

Crikey - I really should check what I've written before posting - I think I managed to mix up Mibbes and MTW all in one sentence - very sorry to give you a fright

Also, meant TwilightSurfer is due this month, not Twinklingfairy - was thinking whilst typing, 'I wonder how TF is doing and got my TF's and my TSs confused....!!!!!!

I think I may have found me my first 'symptom' - can I claim pregnancy brain at 6dpo!???!

Gah! Meant to write also....

....a big proper (and separate ) HELLO to MTW - really lovely to hear from you and your healthy 29 week pregnant belly

and another big proper (and separate) HELLO to Mibbes and your 22 week Miblet !!

hi ladies,
Been manic this week, and havent kept up. Sorry. have posted the following in another thread but wanted to keep in touch with the very supportive people on this one too.
DH's results came back a lot more positively this time but we are under strict instructions from GP as to when to BD. Off on hols tomorrow,and back to "normal" TTC next cycle. hope you lovely people have a good couple of weeks, hope there are lots of BFPs' in the meantime.

Lou xxxx