The WIMBEWAIF and WIMBEWAINF 2WW club, new and existing members welcome.

[Bucky2008]

Ahhh, look how nice and clean and new this thread is .

And there is a big ScaryHairy birthday cake for us all to share. I am not being good till after Thursday afterall...

I'm going to Germany for the weekend too, GG. Maybe we'll run into each other at Heathrow!!

scary...if you are on BA 15.25 to Munich, I'll see you in the lounge!!!

Sadly not; we're doing crack of dawn to Stuttgart.

PnM that is quite a shocking wait for a sperm test! And to have your GP's practice handle it so inefficiently - grrr . I'd second MOB's suggestion of going private for the test if possible...

Bucky I've already told you how I am at the follow up appointment for your lap/fibroid. Let us know how you get on phoning up the hospital/clinic.

GG & SH schoenes Wochenende to you both! (I just asked my German colleague how to spell "enjoy your weekend" - what must he think I'm up to on my PC!!)

Back to CD1 for me, as AF arrived this morning bang on cue. Not feeling too bad to be honest, I think my crying jag last week got it all out of my system ! I'm glad also that my pre-AF spotting has been reduced to practically nothing so I feel like the acupuncture is helping a bit. Am now curious to know how if needles will shorten AF itself (I often spot until CD 7 or 8 and then usually ov on CD 11, so part of me thinks maybe lining's not thick enough). SH am planning to get some of those Zita vitamins you recommended! Also ordered some books off Amazon (including the fabled TCOYF ) to see if I'm actually charting properly etc. OK, that's enough rambling from me for one afternoon.

Big hello to MOB and Ei and Citybranch and everyone else. Hope everyone's enjoying the sunny weather! Am off to a BBQ tomorrow so am hoping it holds it together until Monday at the earliest . Happy weekend to one and all
xx

Caitni sorry to hear that period has arrived, am impressed with your PMA towards it all though. Keep meaning to invest in the TCOYF book but haven?t got round to it yet. I?m impressed that your acupuncture has taken effect so quickly (did I mention my mum did acupuncture on my back the other day to sort out my numb leg? Had to peel me off the ceiling because she managed to hit a nerve ending [poor woman was mortified, it?d never happened before] so prob wont be partaking in any fertility acupuncture just yet ). It sounds like the Exmouth Needler certainly knows his stuff!

GG your appt is coming up quickly ? it sounds like your ?swim for swimmers? campaign is going well? Hope you?re having a fab time in Germany? You too SH!

I?m sorry that things are still so tough for you at the moment MOB but let me echo everyone else in saying you are not to go anywhere!!! You would be sorely missed if you left the thread!! Also ? my Dh was terribly impressed about your Hobby spotting, he got all excited when I told him and that was the catalyst for our trip to the nature reserve

Bucky your poor belly button! And, more to the point, you have to wait until December before you get a follow up appt?!?!?! At the risk of becoming parrot like ? I too think you should go the private route. Let us know what they say if you ring them today.

Ei, have you heard about your job interview yet??

Thank you to you all for your words of encouragement ? in a funny way your ?angry? faces cheered me up too MOB (so does that make me as warped as you Bucky?!).

I?m waiting for DH to get back to me re what the Dr has said today (although when I rang him earlier he hadn?t heard from them?.grr). I?m sure if it came to it we could find the money to pay for a private test ? it just grates that we will probably need to do that. Its just one of those postcode lotteries and I don?t like it but that?s just the way it is I guess.

Am off playing tennis tonight ? I am doing my sponsored walk on Sunday (have had to drop down to just 15 miles instead of 25 due to poorly leg though) so am getting in some last minute exercise! Please all think of me on Sunday!! Am fingers crossed for rain (sorry Caitni!) as think the heat might finish me off

Not sure if I said it before but hi and welcome to Citybranch

Well I had a traumatic day at work so never got near a phone never mind actually using one.

Caitni we are almost cycle buddies...CD2 for me today. Totally expected here though what with the 'holiday contraception' so I am fine.

PicknMix great to have you back in the fold. Now MOB has gone AWOL .

Have a great weekend in Germany girls and higs to everyone else.

hi ladies
GG and SH have a great time in germany (GG im saying nothing judith)
PnM bucky i am so on your behalf at the awful waiting times for your appointments the NHS can be total poo cant it!!
MOB i hope you are ok
i heard about my interview and i didnt get the job!! but i had another interview yesterday and bar me taking some info in on wednesday i should be starting that one in a week or 2 so not to worry and this one is better paid aswell so if all goes well on wednesday i should be a working woman in a week or 2
caitni and bucky sorry AF showed up for you two good luck for this cycle
xx ei xx

Hello? (hello -o -o echo) - anyone here?

It's gone very quiet on here! I'm assuming that means everyone was out enjoying the amazing weather over the weekend. SH and GG hope Germany was just as sunny as old Blighty this weekend . We've now got internet at home - yay! - so shall be able to check MN in the evenings again.

Bucky I'm CD4 now so we are definitely (almost) cycle buddies!

In other news (TMI alert!) acupuncture has shortened my period into 3 days, which amazes me as I've always been a 5 day-er. I'm especially happy, as the disappearance of the pre-AF spotting and the shorter period can only be good when I've been ov'ing on CD11. Wonder if I'll ov later this month... [caitni wanders off to ponder the effects of acupuncture and also to read TCOYF, which just arrived at work, causing a momentary sweat as caitni wrestled fertility books out of amazon packaging and into handbag without colleagues clocking a look]

sunny waves to everyone!
C
xx

and a quick PS (posted the last one rather too quickly!). Congrats on the job front Ei - hope it all goes well on Wed!

Ah yes, congrats Ei. I am here Caitni wondering where everyone has got to. I am seeing Mr Needles tomorrow. How often do you have to go?

afternoon all! I'm here and have the start of EWCM, so luckily DH is around tonight for pouncing on and having my wicked way with . Despite facing ICSI (appointment on Wednesday ) old habits die hard and DH has been very good with taking his man vitamins and not drinking, so I am still hopeful of a miracle natural conception. caitni is there anyone in particular you can recommend that I should pray to for miracles after your success with holding off the rain . I heard St Jude was responsible for "lost causes" (me? ) but I was looking for someone more dynamic

Germany was brilliant. I was on a friend's hen weekend and it had a sailor girl theme . I am definitely too old and too dimpled of thigh to be prancing round beer halls dressed like a nautical Cheeky Girl . Oh and my name in RL (printed across the back of my T-shirt) is apparently Bavarian slang for "Horny", so I got the right royal p*ss taken out of me all weekend.

hello to everyone - 'tis very quiet on here today. Is there any gossip?

Have fun at Mr Needles tomorrow Bucky - I am going on Thursday to the one in Victoria, as I can't do Tuesday at Exmouth Market. You come out lovely and relaxed.

Scary - did you have fun in Bundesrepublik Deutschland too?

I am so busy at work and quite stressed with it all too, plus attendant late nights . Yuck Not what you need when you are supposed to be avoiding stress and relaxing in order to conceive your first DC afetr 19 months of trying.

Bucky good luck with the lovely Mr Needles tomorrow! Bet you don't feel a thing . I've had three sessions - just after period, just after ov and just before period - and have noticed benefits with the problems I was having with PMS, spotting etc. I don't have another app until 8th Sept (I'm moving from "treatment" stage to "maintenance" stage)

GG so glad to hear of start of fertile phase and imminent pouncing . Glad to hear Germany was fun! Though you poor thing, having to work such long hours. Remember to save some energy for pouncing! And no need for st jude, we're none of us lost causes but I googled it and turned up quite a [http://saints.sqpn.com/pst00686.htm list]. After years of being beyond lapsed perhaps it's time to dust off the old rosary beads

sorry, messed up that link - see here.

I'm around as well! I think I know what it must feel like to be hit by a bus though - did my sponsored walk yesterday in blazing hot sun and I ACHE (note to self: for future ref, doing some kind of preparation before walking 25k is probably a good idea). We raised nearly £2000 for Cancer Research though so really chuffed we completed it.

Sounds like you had a fab time in Germany gg, must be nice to escape work when its proving so stressful at the moment. Good news re imminent egg arrival, keeping positive on your behalf!

Hiya Caitni, still very impressed by such a speedy response to accupuncture. Did you have a lovely bbq at the weekend?

Congrats Ei on your new job!

Hi Bucky! Did you ring that private doctors yet??

I spoke to my dr about the length of time it will take for my dh sperm test - she said that was normal for this area. Dh is now on a cancellation list but hasn't stopped me from having a bit of a melt down today - think it was just my dr's attitude, she just made me feel stupid.

Where are you mob?? Are you ok?

Am off to have supper in the garden now, speak later xx

Morning ladies

Sorry not to have been around the past few days, have had a flu-y sort of bug that's been going round work - haven't had the energy to do anything apart from the absolute necessary!

PnM Well done on completing your walk. I was thinking of you in the heat. You've raised a fantastic amount of money. How is the leg(s) now? Has it made the problem any worse? Still can't believe that a long wait is usual round you for SA. Hopefully he will get a cancellation appt. I guess they make appts so that people are on hand to analyse immediately - potentially a good thing, but they could have warned you of this when you first went for your blood tests, so that he could have been in the system much sooner. Incidentally, i have been reading up on fertility clinics round us, and i noticed that one of them did SA for £60, so it looks like it can be done for a lot less than i originally quoted. When is your DH's birthday?????

Caitni I laughed at you smuggling TCOYF into your bag!! Your colleagues probably thought you'd been buying porn or something! Interesting list of saints - do you think in a few years we'll all be meeting up with a collection of DCs named after them?!

GG Hope the pouncing went well last night Sounds like you had a great fun weekend, and probably just what you needed when you are so busy at work ATM. Can't wait to hear all about your appt tomorrow. It's such a big step forward, and i guess you will get some sort of timetable for the next few months. You must both be a little anxious, but i hope you are a little excited at the same time. I'll be thinking of you.

Bucky Glad you are now back on a "live" cycle again! Have fun with Mr Needles - i am feeling quite left out - i think that those of us who can't visit him will have to stick needles in our foreheads anyway, and have a lovely red mark too

EI well done on getting the new job. Are you looking forward to getting back to work?

SH Hope you had a lovely weekend in Germany too!

Well, AF due here today or tomorrow. Already had the tell tale signs, so i can't even be bothered to convince myself that a miracle may have occurred! After this, we are on a few months of enforced T(not)TC. I have been doing some reading up on private fertility clinics round here. There is not a lot of choice, as there are only two. I don't quite know how we are supposed to choose between the two, although i will get a sneak preview of one of the consultants this afternoon. I have a meeting at work, and one of the doctors who is going to be present runs one of the clinics jointly with another consultant. So although i am meeting with him for a completely different matter, i will be able to get a feel of the sort of person he is.

Have a good day everyone. XX

hello everyone!

caitni - I am PMSL at the list of saints to pray to who represent barren wimmin like me . What has King Henry II got to do with fertility!? . Think I'll stick with the obvious choices of Sts Felicity or Anne. Ha, I'm not even catholic, but DH is, so I'm sure they'll take pity on him at least.

MOB - I thought I would be very nervous about my appointment, but I have been so frantic, that I haven't had a moment to think about it! Or to think up any pertinent and informed questions for the doctors. The IVF book I bought is sitting unopened in a drawer because I have been getting home from work about midnight, exhausted, and I daren't read it on the tube in case someone sees me. I like to be informed, so I am feeling a bit vulnerable . I'll let you know how it goes and what happens with timetabel and procedure, in case you have to start ICSI.

'Cause I'm so busy, i told my boss yesterday that I would be leaving the office at 3.45pm on Wed for a hospital appointment and he said "Erm, I think that should be ok" . NO you idiot, I am not ASKING you if I can leave, I am TELLING you I am leaving at that time. Oh, and p.s. I will be totally uncontactable too for the rest of the day, so don't bother calling my mobile or expect me to check emails, matey boy! . Didn't like that one bit, but tough, I say!

picknmix - I am in awe of you raising £2,000 for Cancer Research! That is fantastic and in all that heat [phew emoticon]. Did you get sunburned? My dad has prostate cancer, so i know what a good cause it is. YOu are having a horrid time of it with the health services in your area. I can't believe it takes that long to do a sperm test, but the way your GP made you feel like an idiot on such a sensitive matter really makes me on your behalf.

Scary - how was Stuttgart? I HAVE to get round to listening to the CD and getting myself relaxed and focused for what is ahead. I haven't had a chance to listen to it. I absolutely agree with your theory that you have to be mentally ready to "accept" a baby into you and this can help. I remain rediculously optimistic that it WILL happen for us - I don't know why, when it's only a 33% chance "at my age" in any given cycle of ICSI.

Bucky - have fun with Mr Needles. I wonder if he has spotted that somehting is up because all his patients have TTC issues. He's a one man fertility rite All hail to Mr Needles! [worship emoticon]

hello to everyone else. EI are you about today?

CD13 for me today and DH and I managed a quickie last night and I'll pounce on him again tonight if I can get him to stay awake for me getting home. I refuse to work late tonight

Well I am Catholic (the non-practising, gin glugging type)and am thinking I will hedge my bets with Francis of Paola, he sounds quite rocking...

MOB sorry you have been poorly , but glad you are back .

PicknMix Very impressed by your mega walk! It inspired me to walk to work today (35mins). My healthy pursuits are not going too bad. I have taken my FA every day, have not drunk any alcohol since CD1 (CD6 now...a record!), have eaten green leafy vegetables at every opportunity and, although I am finding it difficult, I am drinking lots of water. So far I can only get down 3 glasses a day but its better than none and I am gradually increasing . Mr Needles is today and I have my CB OPKs this month too...so this is Project GetBaby well underway. I am trying to do the low GI diet as well, and it is not going too bad, although I only started that yesterday, and I did have a spoon of treacle tart from DPs plate . But enough about me, hope your leg is better and that you find a solution to your SA dilemma.

Scary are you still in Germany? Did you decide to stay?

Ei

GG Good luck with the appointment tomorrow. It's their job to know about ICSI so don't beat yourself up about not reading the book. If you had you would probably go there and be told everything you already know anyway. Hope it goes well, I will be thinking of you.

Well got a dog flap and Finn jumps though it like dog possessed whilst Molly is petrified of it! Despite many hours of demonstration, tempting with treats, praise for jumping through it with the flap up etc etc etc. Still no luck...she is such a scaredy cat . Not sure what else to do, but by winter she had better have sorted her life out and be jumping or she will be out in the cold! (Bucky takes stern parent approach to Molly's phobia of the dog flap)

As I said CD6 here for me. I am a bit scared of getting obsessed (again), hence why I have not beaten down the door of 92 Harley Street yet. I think i may have one or two cycles of looking after myself and accupuncture etc, and then if no luck give in to being consumed. I am one of those annoying 'all or nothing' people and unless I am focussing all my energy on something I tend to lose momentum. With ttc I find that investing lots of energy and effort means that when AF turns up I am devastated. Wheras if I am a lazy arse I have a much more relaxed attitude. I know this may sound weird for someone who should do all she can to get the baby she wants but time and experience have made me learn about myself and I just need to pace myself before I jump in with both feet...

Went to Mr Needles and feel a bit demoralised now really . Apparently, he couldn't see anything obvious to treat, so it would be a general getting things in line treatment. I feel a bit dumb really, what exactly did I expect him to say? I thought maybe he would focus on the fibroid thing or something..... Anyway now I feel fed up, I guess I just want someone to say 'this is what is wrong...now we will fix it'....

Hi All

Sorry I haven't been about more, I am just being a bit rubbish...

Bucky don't be disheartened by what Mr Needles said. I don't know how much you know about Chinese medicine - I don't know loads, but I have learned that it is more about looking at the whole person than at fixing one problem. The more "results-driven" approach is really a feature of Western medicine. I view the acupuncture as a "tune-up" (to help my reproductive system function as well as it can) and to help me feel more positive about ttc. Try to relax a bit and see what happens. It might not be for you, but you might enjoy it. Re the water, could you drink Ribena? That might be a good way to increase your intake - I have read that dehydration can be a significant factor in whether or not women conceive, so you go for it.

Picknmix well done on your walk and raising such a lot of money - that's really great. I hope you're not aching any more. And [grrr] at your Dr for making you feel stupid (which you definitely are not).

MOB I hope the bug has gone and you are fully recovered. How did the meeting go? Did the Dr seem like the sort of chap you'd like to get you pregnant? (please forgive the lame joke...)

LOL at the list of saints Caitni (although I am not sure it is done to laugh at saints...). I am not a Catholic, as you can tell, although DH claims to be one (I've not seen any evidence of this). I will read them later and try to pick my favourite - a sort of Saints Top Trumps...

Fingers crossed for natural conception for you GG. Glad you had fun in Deutschland. My visit was a little more...sober - to the in-laws but it was a good visit and my DD had a great time which is the main thing.

Are you around Ei? Are you well?

Coming up to ov here so am trying to spot and catch the egg. I have a feeling this cycle is the one (psychs self up for cycle... 12? 13? I've lost fecking count )

Forgot to say, I am getting so desperate I have started looking at lunar fertility (the theory that as the moon regulates your cycle, you have a chance to conceive when the moon is in the same phase it was in at the time of your birth, regardless of when you expect to ovulate).

I think loon may be the operative word...

hi ladies
nice to 'see' so many of you around todaywe have been rather quiet of late
GG glad you had a nice time in germany and good luck with your appointment tomorrow
scary glad your time in germany was nice aswell
bucky it is a good sign that the needle man cant find much to treat and he thinks just a general tune up is in order you will have your BFP in no time if he gets everything straight for you
MOB sorry you have been under the weather i hope you get your surprise BFP this cycle
caitni at your stealth book buying and your list of saints!! i usually go by st jude when i lose my keys...not sure she is the right one for when i cant find my egg/BFP etc BTW im in no way religious i just find it helps having someone else hep me look for my keys
PnM hi hope you are ok and you know what i think of GPs so i would maybe try and find a private appointment as if you have to wait that long for SA how long do they make you wait for treatment/follow up if they do find a problem?? i dread to think of it!! where is it you live? are you a northerner like lil ole me? i cant reme,ber if you have mentioned it before but i know someone is from up this way
hi to anyone i have missed
i got my referral finally for the recurrent MC clinic its for the 28th august at 330pm so im counting down the days til i hopefully get some answers or get the ball rolling to find them anyway either way i will either have a bfp before then or i will be nearly due to ov on cycle 10 i havent oved on this cycle yet though so i dont know why im even wondering about it
i hope everyone else is having a nice evening
xx ei xx

oh i forgot to add
scary my auntie swears by the moon/cycle thing she used to harp on about believe in mother nature and things will work themselves out...but then shes a loon aswell
i have to go for my meeting to sort my job details out at 130 tomorrow so wish me luck i hope they havent changed their mind/come to their senses[nail biting emoticon]
xx ei xx

So good to see so many people on here!

PnM well done on raising all that cash! Such a great cause too . I was thinking of you on Sunday, and said to my DH that I hoped the weather would be cooler for you (though not rain ), course we ended up swimming in the sea it was so hot so glad to hear you survived it

MOB you poor thing, I hate summer flu bugs - it's so much worse when the weather's hot and everyone around you is in summer mode. I hope you're fully recovered. I'd love a chance to see a consultant I might visit as a patient in a situation like that, as they'd not be "on" (in that charm the patient manner they can have). You'd get a much better sense of them I thin. Anyway, hope it went well!

GG I'll be thinking of you tomorrow - hope the appointment goes well [hand holding emoticon]. I second Bucky about not feeling bad about not reading the book. It's a lot to take in, so it's better to gen up on it once you've had the first appointment.

Bucky sorry to hear you sounding a bit down. Mr Needles pretty much told me the same thing - that it sounded like everything was fine, that I was ovulating (even said I'd lovely charts), so the focus on the pre-AF spotting was my insistence as he said it's not a problem. SH is right that it's about generally tuning up the body and helping combat stress...maybe Molly dog could get some needles for her dog flap phobia?? Poor Molly, I hope she gets used to it soon

SH glad you enjoyed the in-laws! I may look up this lunar fertility, out of interest (can you tell that TCOYF has me interested in the non-medical aspects of ttc??)

Ei I'm SO glad you've got your referral to the recurrent miscarriage unit. While I hope you get a nice BFP before then, it's good that the ball is rolling on sorting out this obstacle in your ttc path

Anyway, off to pounce on DH (not quite start of fertile phase but nothing wrong with a bit of practice [win]).

Blessings of the saints on you all!!
Cxx

that was a and not a [win] lol

Definitely time to put the laptop away now!
Czzzz

i forgot to add earlier
PnM well done on your 25k and your amazing efforts of raising £2000
xx ei xx