The WIMBEWAIF and WIMBEWAINF 2WW club, new and existing members welcome.

[Bucky2008]

Ahhh, look how nice and clean and new this thread is .

And there is a big ScaryHairy birthday cake for us all to share. I am not being good till after Thursday afterall...

Bucky I was PSML at your WIMBEWAIF club - I am now humming the theme song...so so glad you had a fab holiday though terrible about your knees! Now back to packing for procrastinating old me [scuttles off to pack more boxes]

Hi Ladies

Love the new thread, and there is cake too which makes it pretty much perfect!

Lou I am glad it went ok and you have pristine tubes too. Hope you've recovered today.

bucky hooray for good holidays, but it's nice to have you back.

picknmix grrr at your boss. Even if you weren't ttc, that sort of coversation sounds both boring and annoying to me!

Hello to everyone else.

I am in a foul mood. I did 2 more tests this morning - 1 neg and one so pale it could hardly be seen. I think I have to conclude that this was a CP . I guess I was just being stupid to think it could be that easy. I don't know how I am going to tell my husband.

hi girls -
nice new thread!
feeling good today, slightly uncomfortable but nothing i cant handle...
However, the lady at the hospital said to take it easy today, so that is what i am going to do! (im sure that included not filling/emptying dishwasher, hoovering, dusting, tidying of any kind etc... )

scary i am thinking of you. Sorry things are crappy at the mo. It's not over till the evil witch comes though...
Your DH will understand, you are in this together. I know it's so hard, but we are strong women, and we can cope with anything!

Lovely new thread!! Bucky - fantastic name!! And i love the idea that you are going to have stern words with our babies when they eventually get here Great to have you back, by the way, and pleased to hear you had a fantastic time. Sounds like the break did you the world of good. I am avoiding all fun things at the moment - wheat, sugar, caffeine & alcohol. We can be boring together!! I did it a few years ago when i had hormonal problems (not ttc) and it really worked, so i thought i'd give it a go.

Lou glad to hear you feel ok after yesterday, and that you have lovely clear tubes! Make sure you continue to take it easy, though,

SH Sorry about no conclusive news this morning. Do not give up hope yet. As Lou says, we are all strong women, and we are walking alongside each other on this journey. You WILL get there - we will make sure of that!

PnM You sound more like yourself -warbling "happy birthday" It must have been difficult with all the "baby" stuff at that meeting - i suppose people don't realise they are rubbing it in, but it's very painful all the same.

GG have you disappeared on another exotic trip???

caitni i hope it is going well today. Thinking of you with your head in a box, no doubt!

Hello to everyone else not mentioned! Right, better go and cut the grass...

hello all

what a FANTASTIC new thread!! {grin]. i think we shall all be very happy here. Bucky - welcome back, m'dear! We missed you and sorry to hear about the battered knees, although your holiday was lovely. If you need an investor for you quick sperm test business, I'd do it. Rarely was there a greater need for a sevice . I cannot stop laughing at the WIBEWAIF song. in fact it is now buzzing around my head annoyingly . Come an djopin us with the accupuncture. We can compare needle tracks and rate of free flowing qi energy at the next 2WW WIMBEWAIF meet up .

lou - really pleased that the HSG went ok and you are free flowing . It's not very pleasant at the time and does leave you shaky, but i avoided having any nasty after effects.

MOB - must try to do more . I am quite a healthy eater anyway and do exercise, but the demon drink is my problem (well, the odd glass of wine) and I have got fairly fatalistic after 19-20 months of trying and nothing happening. I figured "why should I bother being good when nothing ever happens?" . But DH is putting me to shame . He came back to bed this morning after getting up early. The angel brought me a cup of tea and announced he'd surfed the net for info is also going organic on top of no drinking and always eating at least 5 portions of fruit and veg a day. He's also gone for a swim . I'm sitting here feeling completelely guilty. It is sort of as I predicted - once my DH gets the bit between his teeth he is amazing for resolve. It just took a while to get his head round everything and now he's gone for it . Good luck tomorrow at the GP - I have everything crossed for you and your DH and sending you plenty higs .

picknmix - that must have been so hard for you . I am fed up with people being to gung ho about babies and fertility. I met a lovely old friend for lunch yesterday and her 10 week old daughter. She is gorgeous but there was lots of "you next!" conversations. Urghhh. I won't correct anyne though, I don't want to discuss it and have people feeling sorry for me or monitoring me.

Scary - I am so disappointed for you . Your husband will be fine for sure. Your time will come, I promise. Hope you are enjoying the sunshine

Ha, ha, I am actially at home this weekend (for once!) and very blissful it is too not to pack/uppack a suitcase. It's the best sort of holiday for me and I am spending lots of time cooking, which I love.

CD25 today for me and getting that itchy fingers feeling when I want to POAS . Even with Dh's sterling efforts, it is a VERY slim chance of a any BFP for me, but somehow I enjoy playing the 2WW game, especially with you ladies. Makes me feel "normal" every month

Must dash. I feel i ought to do some execise after DH's enthusiasm

Been working all weekend so apologies for lack of posts....

How are you doing today SH? Really really sorry to hear you think it might be a cp. How is your dh responding to it?

Thanks for the squeaky clean new thread bucky! But even more thanks for your song suggestion - I literally did laugh out loud when I read it - so much so that Dh asked what I was laughing at and so I got him to read it as well! Sounds like your holiday was fab, am very ! Not so good to hear about the bashed knees tho - sore and so not a good look! It's nice to have you back

Hows the boring healthy diet going Mob? I keep hearing people waxing lyrical about eating a low gi diet so want to do some reading up on that. Always find eating healthily very difficult though, just got too much of a sweet tooth! You're right, my warbling does signify a return to a more positive PnM, although plse keep your fingers crossed that the gp refers my dh for a sperm test tomorrow - if he fails to come back with a test date I shall be back to ranting and raving on here again!

I have husband envy gg - a cup of tea and a dedicated attitude! Its taken a while but really pleased he's taken up the challenge and is so keen to change his chances! I noticed that after I ranted at my dh the other day, he now has a folder on his laptop with sperm related info in it (diets, vits etc). I'm a bit that I've somewhat forced this but it is important for them to take a bit of control!

Hows the move going Caitni?? Hope its all going smoothly so far!

Good to hear you're still feeling comfortable lou, take care of yourself.

Hello to anyone I've missed (hows the camping ei?)

Xx

Hello

How is the move going Caitni? I hate moving, you have my sympathy.

I hope they haven't been working you too hard, Picknmix. You do sound more cheerful and I am glad you're back on form after last week. Just make sure you send Mr Mix with proper instuctions not to leave without an appointment. I can't believe they make getting a sperm test and getting the results such hard work.

I'm very glad to hear that Mr Gin is stepping up GG. Isn't it really annoying the way men follow instructions when they hear them from the Dr, but if their wives told them what to do it would be in one ear and out the other? Still, am v impressed with the not drinking, the veg and the swimming. Maybe if he does all this you'll get there by yourselves before December.

Bucky I am loving the WIMBEWAIF song too, although I suspect that if I had any tests I would be on the WIMBEWAINF side of the chorus...

The diet sounds very boring MOB, but I am very impressed with your willpower.

Put down that hoover and take it easy, Lou

No good news from here. I have started getting cramps so I guess this bean just never implanted properly. Actually that would be a bright side in itself since if my temps drop off at least I know this is not another ectopic (which I have been very scared about). I didn't drink on Friday because was still getting positive pee-sticks. I had a terribly pale line this morning and a BFN on a digi, so all I can conclude is that it is not sticking. The plus is that now I get to hav belated birthday champagne. I am trying to pull myself together, but this really hurts (emotionally, I mean). I expect I will drink too much and cry a bit, but tomorrow is another day and in a few weeks there will be another egg.

Speak soon.

hi ladies
hope you are all doing well
scary sorry you think this bean may not stick i hope you are wrong and it is a lovely sticky bean and you get a HUGE BFP over the next day or two
bucky glad you had such a lovely holiday i love love love the wimbewaif club and theme tune it made me laugh so much i may be joining myself as AF arrived in style this morning although it seems like my LP has lengthened slightly to 12 days so every cloud...
caitni how did the move go?? the saying goes new house new baby so i hope this rings true for you as it did for me!! (i bought my first house moved in and found out i was preg after 10 cycles of trying all within 2 weeks of eachother)
hi to MOB GG PnM and everyone else not mentioned by name
xx ei xx

Hi everyone

GG Wow - at your DH!! It sounds like he's putting lots of effort in. Good for him. Fingers crossed that all this dedication will mean that those swimmers can throw away their zimmers You sound like you are desperate to test, have you??

PnM Good luck to MrPnM for him appt later. I'm sure it will just be a formality, and that he won't have to justify it or anything. When my DH went i gave him a great big list of things to mention about our ttc time, apparently it was a trainee GP he saw, who appreared to find a lot of it "TMI" and handed over the paperwork and pot without saying anything!!!

SH How are things with you? I'm so sorry to hear that you think that this may have been a CP. Of course you are hurting - that is only natural. Have a good cry, if that's what you need. I find i need a really good one every few weeks, to let out all the emotion that ttc brings. I wish i could magically transport myself to wherever you are in RL and give you a good hug.

EI how are you? Did you test? How was the camping & weekend away? Sorry - i am bombarding you with questions!!

I have done a week of the boring diet now! I would have done almost anything for a large glass of chilled white wine last night, but i resisted. I don't drink huge amounts (only have a drink at the weekend) but i do associate relaxing at the weekend with having a drink!!

Oh hell, as i am writing this i have just had a text from DH - he has heard from the dr - apparently the results are "low" and he suggests repeating them in 2 months time. I guess i need to find out what "low" actually means. I don't intend waiting around for 2 months doing nothing.

MOB - oh no about the results for your DH. How is he feeling and how are you feeling. We're all here for you. I am thinking of you and as someone who went through the same thing about 4 months ago, I know how horrible it can be . You need to find out what "low" means - the results should be divided up into:

Number of sperm per ml (in millions);

Morphology in % (i.e. shape);

Motility in % (speed/agility );

Volume of semen produced (in ml);

There should be a results sheet that the GP was sent. Ask for a copy of that and then check it against the World Health Organisation Guidelines if your GP won't offer any guidance as to what they mean (mine didn't ). GP's use with WHO guidelines too.

Just remember that one sperm test can differ markedly from another, so the GP will suggest a repeat in a few weeks to check if there is any difference. never go one one test alone

Big hello to everyone else. I didn't have much time to post and saw MOB's and didn't want to leave it unanswered. Will post more later and answer you all.

GGx

Thanks GG.

I have spoken to DH briefly and asked him to get hold of a copy of the results. I am working from home today, so i can go and get them, if they will let me with his say so.

I guess the GP is right to say to test again in 2 months, and then decide what to do after that, but at the moment that just seems forever. I suppose its only really 6 weeks though, as it's already over 2 weeks since the test.

I'm not sure how he feels yet, we will talk properly later. I think there is some relief that he is not a "jaffa", which was his greatest worry. I feel shaken and teary - silly really, i know, but it is confirmation that we will be in it for the long haul, and are in the "WIMBEWAINF" club. I feel like we're running out of time. as well, given our ages.

Trouble is, the EWCM started yesterday, and i will ov this week, and it feels like really bad timing when we've just got this news.

All i want is to have DH's child, and for him to be a father. He is a great step-dad, but i want him to experience the joy of having his own child. He's longing for it, and we are both willing to do whatever it takes (IVF etc) but at the moment it seems so far out of our grasp.

I have a feeling we may both need a large drink tonight. So much for my good intentions.

Sorry for such a self-obsessed post

Oh MOB I hope you're ok. I know "low" doesn't sound great, but you're right; you absolutely do need to find out what that means. And since sperm count and quality can vary so much, it's good that they are repeating the test. I have read that sperm are produced over a 3 month cycle, and so over that period it is possible with careful diet, (and maybe loose pants and cold showers!) to improve count and quality. There might be a bit of info on the Zita West website about that - it's probably worth a look. A big drink sounds like a good idea too - and your post is not self-obsessed at all... it's a big deal what you are dealing with and I expect you to share as much as you need.

Ei it looks like we are going to be cycle buddies again. When do you normally ov? Assuming that today does turn out to be CD1 for me, I will be ovulating when DH and I are in different countries. It's so flipping predictable?

Although my temps have sort of dipped today I haven?t really started bleeding yet and have just had a glob of pink CM so far. Assuming that my temps do fall properly tomorrow and the bleeding starts then all is well (if a bit ). If not then I have to start worrying about another ectopic. DH thinks I am being a big wimp about all this given that statistically CPs are so very common and (which I agree with) I have probably had a few in the past and not even known about it. It's just that this CP coming back-to-back with the ectopic is too much to deal with. I feel absolutely battered and am going to see the GP on Wednesday to see if they can do anything to help. Really I want a referral and a laparoscopy to check my tubes, even though I am terrified of surgery. I am going to start a thread later to find out what I should be asking for. A quickly-scheduled appointment with a consultant seems a good place to start...

Higs to the rest of you, GG, Beanie, Picknmix, Lou, Cairtni and Bucky and anyone I have forgotten. There are enough Higs to go around!

MOB - ((((((((higs))))))))

Don't worry about being self obsessed round here on the 2WW!!! We all need our turn to vent, and today it happens to be you and for good reason. G*d, how much I have moaned about my DH and all sorts of things?! All the time in my case You've had a big deal piece of news. Once you see the results sheet you will have a better idea of what there is to do. let us know how you get on.

I copied this from the WHO website:

"The following are the usual parameters for a normal semen sample:

Count
More than 20 million sperm/ml

Motility
More than 50% motile

Morphology
More than 50% normal morphology

Semen Volume
2-5 ml

White Blood Cells
Less than 1 million/ml"

The sheet my DH had listed all those things. Unfortunately, his results were not good at all (count of less that 2 million/ml, so around 10% of bare minimum )

Everything crossed for you and your DH re interpretation of the results. If it is any help several of my male friends have (subsequently, after fathering children it has to be said) admitted to having low sperm counts and for conception taking a while. I don't think they were in the same ball park as my Dh though and I didn't want to appear too interested and/or knowledgable with them

GG Thank you so much for that info - i was going to search for that later, so you have saved me having to do that. You are lovely.

SH Thank you also. I really helps to vent and share. Apart from DH there is no-one in RL to talk to about it. The only person who really knew that we were trying (and that wehad been for some time) was my mum, and she asked a while back how things were going and said "well, it's obviously not meant to be" and hasn't mentioned it since So it really, really helps to have you lot here. SH, It is not surprising that you feel battered, having a CP following an EP. A visit to the GP (and push for referral)sounds like a good idea. I hope that AF arrives properly, so you don't have the worry of another EP. XX

EI sorry - when i posted earlier i hadn't read your post properly and i didn't see that AF had arrived. Hope you're ok.

Can't concerntrate on work today... can you tell?!

MOB - I don't think I did a stroke of work for three days after receiving similar news. It really hit us like a ton of bricks and DH went a bit caveman about the whole thing.

scary - you have every right to feel upset and emotional. You have had an ectopic pregancy recently which that is a battering experience for both the body and the mind and a CP this cycle, which gets all your hopes up only to be dashed. We'd all feel the same and we are here to give you ((((((higs)))) too. especially when the frustrations of TTC plays with our sanity sometimes. That wasn't a comment on you, but on me, and I suppose all of us each month when we live in TTC hope. Your time WILL come.

EI - I am so sorry to hear that your AF arrived. I have read through all the posts, so hope there is some good news out there.

It is CD26 for me today so I am getting itchy fingers for some POAS practice, but that is my personal madness . I honestly still believe (stupidly ) that it WILL happen for us naturally. It is pretty unlikely, but hey ho. I have no major symptoms - we I have some symptoms, but exactly what I've had for the previous 20 months, so I can't rely on tender (.)(.) and forgetfulness to indicate a bean . We are making progress with IVF and the more I read abotu it the scarier it becomes. Apart from two Thorton's chocolates, I have been the model of good dietary discipline over the last few days . I am now in competition with my lovely swot of a DH who is being terribly good.

Speak soon and thinking of all of you.

GGx

Hi Ladies,
I just wanted to pop in to say that I am so sorry about suspected CP Scary - as if you didn't have enough heartache with the EP. It is good to hear you taking a positive approach though and starting a thread to ask for advice on how to get things progressed - I agree that some investigation from GP is required.
MOB am so sorry about low sperm analysis results. I really hope your DH is able to discuss it with you tonight and you can make some plans to follow Mr. GG's good example (he is very impressive with his committed attitude GG !). You are so sweet the way you talk about wanting to give your DH the chance to have his own child and how he wants one so much - I have absolutely everything crossed for you both and am so glad that our resident 'expert' on the subject GG is here to help you through this.
PnM good luck with appt tomorrow, I really hope GP refers your DH for a test. It is rotten how these things are such a lottery depending on where you live or even which GP you get - fingers crossed for a speedy referal.
Ei so sorry TEW got you, but glad you are seeing the positive side with lengthend LP
to all the other lovely 2ww ladies.

Hey Mibbsey, watcha upto? .

Ahhhh, my girlies are all sad today . This ttc malarky sucks at times....MOB like everyone else has said before me, you are totally allowed to vent on here, and you are not being self obsessed. Being self obsessed is staring at a line in the middle of your forehead loads of times in the day and insisting that the marketing department airbrush it out in all marketing material pics ....hmm wonder who that could be? Anyway, it is a massive deal that you are going through now, and we are all thinking about you and your dh. Did you get the results from the dr?

SC , I am drinking a big glass of rose and eating loads of cake for you to make you feel happy again.

oops hadn't finished writing and it posted....

GG I am very glad that you are still optimistic...It shows what strength of character you have to not dwell on the advertisities that you are facing. IVF must be very daunting though... hopefully you will not need it. You should read a book by Deepak Chopra, the power of thought is amazing...given how driven you are I tend to think it would work for you.

PnM how are you doing today? Finn and Molly are being such sweeties, they went mad when we picked them up from Kennels. Totally loonies running around like animals possessed. Molly had kennel cough though...she sounds like a seal and keeps burying her head in my armpit when she coughs. She is soo cute . I think FinnDog may go to Flyball class next.

Ei Hope you are feeling a bit happier this evening. [higs]

Well me, absolutely nothing to report. Any bding that is done is for fun this month, although we are both working so much that I barely see DP at the moment. So, its just Thursday to get over with and then my quest for good health will commence. I am thinking of doing reflexology and acupunture as well. Can you combine therapies .

oh and SC was meant to be ScaryHairy...oops. I am eating cake for SH, on second glass of Rose now...well I won't be able to have any after Wednesday will I?

Deepak Chopra Health Book - I haven't read this one

I think this was the one I read

I saw him on Oprah as well years ago, he rocked.

Its been a sad day in 2ww world today hasn't it...

Mob I'm so sorry to hear the results weren't good. It sounds like you've had some excellent advice from the others so far, def important to get a proper run down of the results so you can look at the bigger picture and understand fully what the next steps will be. Totally get why you feel shaken and teary - but as others have already said, you can't go on one test alone as sperm results can vary widely at different times - sh is right, it takes 3 months for sperm to replenish themselves so take the next 6 weeks to implement a sperm enhancing diet for dh. Big higs to you and dh though.

Sh what a kick to your emotions going through this after going through an ep, you are more than entitled to feel upset. Take care of yourself - I have fingers crossed for a temperature drop so you can discount the worry of another ep.

Very sorry to hear you're back to cd1 ei. Its so tiring doing this every month isn't it. Glad to hear you had a good camping weekend though.

Ahhh and big higs to molly with her kennel cough! They both round so lovely though bucky, bet you've missed them! Maybe you could give the accupuncturist a ring to check about doing needles and other therapies at the same time - I don't know if it would cause probs or not.

Dh's doc has referee him to get a sperm test - although he now has to wait for a phone call from the hospital to confirm an appt - grr! Will have to wait at least a week for them to ring and then another week for the test. Takes so long!!

Some friends have just arrived so back kates xx .

hi ladies
MOB so sorry about the disappointing results from your DHs sperm test if anyone deserves a stroke of luck you do hun i feel so sad for you big >
scary have you tested again? i really am still keeping the hope alive for you xx i know how heartbreaking it is to have the BFP torn away so soon after getting it so it must be so much harder after the hellish few months you have had i wish you were closer so i could give you a massive cuddle and a hot choc (as it cure all ails xx) keep your chin up brave strong lady (that last bit goes for all of you girls)
i had my feedback from my GP complaint procedure earlier today and she has admitted she was unfair and hadnt explained herself well. she also profusely apologised and has asked to see me to discuss referral so i have an appointment next tuesday morning i knew moaning would get me some where some day
hi to all the other amazing women in the club
xx ei xx

Morning ladies

SH How are you today? Hope your temp has gone down as you hoped it would.

Mibbes Good to see you. How's that bump doing?

EI that's really good news about the result of your complaint. Hopefully she will now treat you better, and other people as well. It was worthwhile complaining.

GG Wow, it sounds like you are being as virtuous(sp?)as your DP!! You are spurring me on to make more of an effort.

Bucky I think you probably can have reflexology & acupuncture together - but check with the therapists. I guess the only downside would be that if you feel some benefits you won't know which one is having the effect!

PnM Glad your DH has been referred, although am surprised he needs an "appt" for a test. Hopefully they will call v soon.

Thank you all of you for your lovely kind words, your understanding, and your higs. It really means a lot. We got a copy of the results last night - DH rang and asked, and they said, "no, the results are just for the dr". DH said that, no, as they are about him, he is entitled to see them, and anyway he wanted me to see them. The receptionist then said "well, your wife won't be able to understand them" But he insisted i would!!
Unfortunately describing them as "low" was very optomistic. They are very very bad. Not helped by the fact that the volume was so low (0.25ml) Now i know that the volume normally isn't great - but there is usually more than that!! DH did say at the time that he found it difficult to "aim", and i think this was the problem. The surroundings didn't help!!! Sperm count of 0.7 million / ml, motility of 11% (only 5% rapid)- morphology couldn't be measured. Well - you get the picture.

The GP has said to repeat, and then he will refer us if it is similar next time. So basically, it's never going to happen naturally, is it? I feel a bit of a fraud even being on the thread any more. We're not going to give up though - we hoping that there may be enough "normal" sperm in there to go for IVF (what's the type where they take an individual sperm and inject it in the egg?? - surely you only need a few for that?)

DH seems remarkably ok - i feel shell shocked still. I have got a days training today, and have no idea how i'm going to concerntrate on it!

morning ladies
MOB im so sorry about the results but as you say you know there is usually more than what they said was in the pot then this set of results may not be quite accurate and you only need one spermie to get lucky so i am still crossing my fingers for you either way and you are in no way a fraud being here. dont go anywhere lady the room wouldnt be the same without you
speak later
xx ei xx

MOB - I am so for your news. You are not a fraud to be on the 2WW thread with us and I won't let you say it - we are your cyber friends and wouldn't let you leave us. Everyone keeps telling me, it only takes one swimmer and it's true. You have been so encouraging to me through moods and worry, and helpful telling me about your friends who conceived naturally with very low sperm counts. It can happen to us too . Really thinking of you today and we're all here for you. I don't think I have set up the CAT facility otherwise I'd say, if you want to talk to someone who went through the same thing four months ago and it would help, to email me. I'll look into it.

I can't concentrate on training on the best of days . How are you feeling about everything now? I am at the rudeness of the doctor's receptionist! It is no wonder they have the worst ever reputation as a "profession" when they treat people who have a right to see their own test results like congenital idiots. Well done to Mr Bird for standing up to her.

0.25ml is not a lot for a sample, but it sounds to me as if your poor DH, understandably, got performance anxiety because of the circumstances in which he had to give his sample. My DH felt ok going to the local hospital's andrology unit and use the...erm..."wanky porn room" as he called it, to provide his sample. Is there any possibility of doing that, so your DH doesn't have to go through the same awful experience and dash to the hospital? The repeated test in a few weeks will give you a clearer picture. Get a copy of the results sheet again and keep it - the consultant at the fertility unit wasn't sent DH's results so luckily we had them with us (it's the lawyer in me, I always keep paperwork )

We have been referred for the ICSI form of IVF. I think that would be what you would be considered for. It's where the sperm is not just shoved in a petri dish with a few eggs and given a stir, but healthy sperm are isolated and injected directly into your eggs. You only need a very few swimmers to be suitable for it. Then if the eggs fertalise, they are put into you using the same process as regular IVF. It may be too soon for you to think about it, but have you checked the criteria for your local primary Care Trust for ICSI funding through the NHS?

mibbes - it is so nice when you pop into see us. How is the little miblet . When is your due date when we will all be cyber aunties

scary - how are you feeling today? Did you temp drop liek you expected. It's been a tough few days on the 2WW. Our good news, BFP times will come soon.

hello to Bucky and Caitni - I am off for acupuncture this afternoon, so will let you knwo how I get on and whether I feel all light and floaty afterwards. I am determined to get my Dh there, so am mounting a campaign to convince him it is a good idea. I will be using all my feminine wiles

Need to dash to a meeting, but will check in later.

((((((higs))))))))))