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vanishingact12 · Today 06:08

Recently, my DH and I got married. For context, we have three children between us, two are mine and one is his, all three are teenagers. My two live 100% with us and his child lives with us at least 50% of the time. They all get along very well and think of each other as siblings which is very nice and really rather unexpected. It is always difficult blending families, especially teenagers, however ours has been really pretty seamless. I don’t feel that we have done anything spectacular, we are just very lucky that we have children who are generally very easy going and have welcomed each other into their lives. I have a really good relationship with his child as does my husband with mine.

We are not rich by any stretch of the imagination, but holiday often as that is where we choose to spend our disposable income. This is where the issue is. Every single holiday or happy occasion that we have had in the last year or so has been impacted in a negative way by his ex (his child’s mum). I won’t go into the detail as it really is very outing but she managed to put a real dampener on our wedding, holidays and some occasions that were important to the children where it has been difficult to really relax and celebrate as she causes some kind of upset. It usually impacts on his child so it’s very difficult to ‘ignore’ the issue if you see what I mean.

The most recent is the one that I am most struggling with. We booked a really lovely destination honeymoon and a stunning hotel. We both agreed that we would love it if the children would come and experience it with us. It was an expensive holiday and we had lots of trips and activities planned. A couple of days before the holiday, and as predicted, she became incredibly difficult again. It began by her making a mountain out of a molehill with his child and effectively keeping her away from us for 5 days when she would ordinarily be at ours. My husband was beside himself with upset over it all- a week before we were due to leave for honeymoon. A couple of days before we were due to depart, his ex announced that she had booked a holiday at exactly the same time as our planned honeymoon and would be taking his child with her. We were totally shocked by this, she has done some questionable things in the past but this was very left-field. When we challenged her, she said that she would ask his child to choose who she wanted to come on holiday with, her or us. We were appalled by this so effectively said that we didn’t think that this was fair on the child. She then said that my husband was being unreasonable for making her feel guilty but also, conversely, that he clearly wasn’t bothered as he had effectively not fought to take his child with us. His child therefore went with her mum as his ex was piling on the pressure to abandon our holiday in favour of hers.

The holiday itself was not what it could have been. I have a really good relationship with his child and it put a really unpleasant shadow over the whole holiday. When we got to the hotel and saw her interconnecting room to ours, it made us feel so upset, not to mention the wasted thousands of pounds that could have been spent elsewhere. Our holiday was booked 9 months ago and yet her mum had only booked a week before and informed us only a few days before we were due to depart so no changes to our tickets could be made. It wouldn’t have helped us feel any better that his child wasn’t there, but at least we could have offered the tickets out to a family member or friend but by the time she informed us, it was too late.

So what do we do now? Are we to accept that any happy occasion or holiday will be spoiled for the foreseeable future? I honestly can’t see a way to overcome this kind of behaviour.

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cartagenagina · Today 06:19

How old is the child? They will soon get to the point where they can’t be manipulated like this.

user1492757084 · Today 06:19

Decide what and when to share with ex.
Inform her but maybe once you are already enroute to weekends away.
This means that your DSD will also sometimes get short notice of family activities so you will need to organise clothing for her. etc.

Also relax when you have done your best.
Rationalise that DSD will choose for herself at last minute. It is not your fault.

Pipsquiggle · Today 06:22

She sounds like a nightmare.

Your DH needs to be clear in the communication with his ex so there's no wriggle room around arranging holidays.

I am sure your DSD will realise that her DM is being manipulative. I am assuming she will be 16 in the next few years so will get some autonomy then and you can start involving her directly in holiday plans.

Unfortunately you can't control how the ex reacts. Sounds like she will always want to sabotage your plans which is very very sad, especially for your DSD. She must realise she's being used as a pawn.

x2boys · Today 06:24

vanishingact12 · Today 06:08

Recently, my DH and I got married. For context, we have three children between us, two are mine and one is his, all three are teenagers. My two live 100% with us and his child lives with us at least 50% of the time. They all get along very well and think of each other as siblings which is very nice and really rather unexpected. It is always difficult blending families, especially teenagers, however ours has been really pretty seamless. I don’t feel that we have done anything spectacular, we are just very lucky that we have children who are generally very easy going and have welcomed each other into their lives. I have a really good relationship with his child as does my husband with mine.

We are not rich by any stretch of the imagination, but holiday often as that is where we choose to spend our disposable income. This is where the issue is. Every single holiday or happy occasion that we have had in the last year or so has been impacted in a negative way by his ex (his child’s mum). I won’t go into the detail as it really is very outing but she managed to put a real dampener on our wedding, holidays and some occasions that were important to the children where it has been difficult to really relax and celebrate as she causes some kind of upset. It usually impacts on his child so it’s very difficult to ‘ignore’ the issue if you see what I mean.

The most recent is the one that I am most struggling with. We booked a really lovely destination honeymoon and a stunning hotel. We both agreed that we would love it if the children would come and experience it with us. It was an expensive holiday and we had lots of trips and activities planned. A couple of days before the holiday, and as predicted, she became incredibly difficult again. It began by her making a mountain out of a molehill with his child and effectively keeping her away from us for 5 days when she would ordinarily be at ours. My husband was beside himself with upset over it all- a week before we were due to leave for honeymoon. A couple of days before we were due to depart, his ex announced that she had booked a holiday at exactly the same time as our planned honeymoon and would be taking his child with her. We were totally shocked by this, she has done some questionable things in the past but this was very left-field. When we challenged her, she said that she would ask his child to choose who she wanted to come on holiday with, her or us. We were appalled by this so effectively said that we didn’t think that this was fair on the child. She then said that my husband was being unreasonable for making her feel guilty but also, conversely, that he clearly wasn’t bothered as he had effectively not fought to take his child with us. His child therefore went with her mum as his ex was piling on the pressure to abandon our holiday in favour of hers.

The holiday itself was not what it could have been. I have a really good relationship with his child and it put a really unpleasant shadow over the whole holiday. When we got to the hotel and saw her interconnecting room to ours, it made us feel so upset, not to mention the wasted thousands of pounds that could have been spent elsewhere. Our holiday was booked 9 months ago and yet her mum had only booked a week before and informed us only a few days before we were due to depart so no changes to our tickets could be made. It wouldn’t have helped us feel any better that his child wasn’t there, but at least we could have offered the tickets out to a family member or friend but by the time she informed us, it was too late.

So what do we do now? Are we to accept that any happy occasion or holiday will be spoiled for the foreseeable future? I honestly can’t see a way to overcome this kind of behaviour.

Why is she allowed to dictate?
And keep the child away from their father?

tomorrowfollowstoday · Today 06:32

Are we to accept that any happy occasion or holiday will be spoiled for the foreseeable future? I honestly can’t see a way to overcome this kind of behaviour. Yes, probably.

One part of the answer could be to avoid designing/publicising high profile events that become a target for disruption.

The more low key you keep things, the less you risk disruption. You can have amazing events without a long lead in.

PJ98 · Today 06:36

Your husband needs to deal with this and whatever else she's doing. Maybe he should have done mediation or court a while ago.

IronEverything · Today 06:38

Why is she being allowed to rule the roost?

vanishingact12 · Today 06:42

Thank you for your responses. At times I feel like I am stuck between a rock and a hard place. I am mindful that it must not be easy for her to see us being a ‘happy family’ and a certain amount of bad feeling may come along with this but on the other I can’t help the relationship that we have and the opportunities that we are able to give to my DSD that her mum can’t. It is making me second guess how I act with my DSD, not to do too many things with her/for her that may provoke her mum as I don’t want my DSD’s (or my DH’s) life to be made difficult. However, I only want the best for her and it feels very sad and unfair to take a step back as it is not my DSD’s fault. DH is at his wits end as she really is very manipulative.

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Inertia · Today 06:43

Is there a court order in place regarding contact times and if so, has ex breached it?

I wonder whether looking into small claims court to reclaim the ticket costs would be worth looking into.

jeaux90 · Today 06:44

If she is young enough you go to court for a CAO which can be really detailed and iron out all this nonsense.

StraightTalkingTina · Today 06:44

Why didn’t your DH just say No? Your holiday was planned and presumably communicated to her well in advance - it was right? - then Dah just need to tell her to suck it up.

is there a court order in place?

why does he let her be the boss of your family plans?

vanishingact12 · Today 06:46

cartagenagina · Today 06:19

How old is the child? They will soon get to the point where they can’t be manipulated like this.

She is 13 so hopefully not too much longer before she identifies what is happening. My DH and I keep reminding ourselves to see this as a marathon, to keep offering our support and keeping our parenting consistent until my DSD realises that she is being manipulated. I just hope she does because the path that her mum is leading her down is, at times, a worry.

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Whyherewego · Today 06:46

jeaux90 · Today 06:44

If she is young enough you go to court for a CAO which can be really detailed and iron out all this nonsense.

I think this. And get in the CAO the holidays so there's no ask. The holidays are these dates, end of story. For both sides.
I also agree with PP, share a lot less. Even if that means telling DD a lot less in advance.

HardFuckingBird · Today 06:46

My husband's ex was like this and we just had to make sure she didn't find out when major life events were coming up so she didn't ruin them. We needed her consent to take SDs abroad, so of course we told her about holidays (and we only ended up taking the girls abroad once because she ruined it and there was no way around it). But we kept other big life events, like our wedding, secret - we arranged our wedding for one of SDs' weekends with us, then didn't tell them, or anyone else that knew their mother, when our wedding day was going to be.

Sadly we found it much easier not to take SDs abroad as that was the one thing their mum had to know about and could (and would) ruin, so we started scheduling our foreign holidays for our time without the girls, which was sad but necessary.

vanishingact12 · Today 06:48

tomorrowfollowstoday · Today 06:32

Are we to accept that any happy occasion or holiday will be spoiled for the foreseeable future? I honestly can’t see a way to overcome this kind of behaviour. Yes, probably.

One part of the answer could be to avoid designing/publicising high profile events that become a target for disruption.

The more low key you keep things, the less you risk disruption. You can have amazing events without a long lead in.

This is what we have tried to do but even though my DSD is 50% with us, we do try to communicate things such as holidays as early as possible as we (perhaps naively and stupidly) try to give her consideration so that she doesn’t book any overlapping activities which will go to waste. I understand how ironic this sounds given her recent behaviour…

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EppingIsFun · Today 06:50

At 13, I'd be telling DSD the truth about what happened. Or rather, your DH should.

Sorry to hear about this, she sounds like a nightmare.

vanishingact12 · Today 06:52

StraightTalkingTina · Today 06:44

Why didn’t your DH just say No? Your holiday was planned and presumably communicated to her well in advance - it was right? - then Dah just need to tell her to suck it up.

is there a court order in place?

why does he let her be the boss of your family plans?

This is what we really wanted to say but we feel like we are dealing with someone with which, when you stand up to them, they start playing unfairly. If we had have said no, she would have doubled down on the name calling and running down of my DH to my DSD which we just feel puts my DSD in a very tricky situation.

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SalmonOnFinnCrisp · Today 06:53

vanishingact12 · Today 06:48

This is what we have tried to do but even though my DSD is 50% with us, we do try to communicate things such as holidays as early as possible as we (perhaps naively and stupidly) try to give her consideration so that she doesn’t book any overlapping activities which will go to waste. I understand how ironic this sounds given her recent behaviour…

Honestly i'd stop this. Say nothing.

Agree your holiday splits (eg shes with you for 2 weeks in august) and book nothing the first few times you do this.

Shes with you 50% of the time so last min European city breaks should be an option. I would do some small breaks for the next year or so.

Dont give notice and if it happens that she misses stuff...she misses stuff

Supporting2026 · Today 06:56

vanishingact12 · Today 06:52

This is what we really wanted to say but we feel like we are dealing with someone with which, when you stand up to them, they start playing unfairly. If we had have said no, she would have doubled down on the name calling and running down of my DH to my DSD which we just feel puts my DSD in a very tricky situation.

I completely get this - but also, if his kid never sees him standing up to the mum then how will they learn to do to. I think clear simple boundaries and accept the noise around them is the answer - in the end she pulls this stuff because she knows she can.

vanishingact12 · Today 06:57

IronEverything · Today 06:38

Why is she being allowed to rule the roost?

Quite. But it feels as though she does. She really is rather an overstepper and can behave in a controlling way which makes life very difficult. All we are worried about is the impact that is has on my DSD as she is left feeling very conflicted. On the one hand she enjoys her time with us. We make sure she obeys school rules, does study after school and we fund and take her to all of her extra curricular activities. On the other, she is left to do as she pleases with her mum, can be on her phone as much as she likes and that is an attractive prospect to a 13 year old.

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vanishingact12 · Today 07:01

EppingIsFun · Today 06:50

At 13, I'd be telling DSD the truth about what happened. Or rather, your DH should.

Sorry to hear about this, she sounds like a nightmare.

Thank you, we sometimes think we are just wasting our time. And I am sure a lot of families feel the same way. We are trying to give her every opportunity, a lovely area to live, a leafy, excellent school, new skills and hobbies, valuing her education but her mum’s jealousy (it really is the only way I can understand why she does this) is sabotaging it for her. Maybe we need to sit her down and explain this to her but I am acutely aware that we don’t want to run her mum down and make life even harder for her. I don’t want her to feel like she has to exist in conflict, even if we aren’t causing the conflict of you see what I mean

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PJ98 · Today 07:02

Youre avoiding answering the question about whether your DH bothered to go to court so I'm guessing not. Most of this will have been entirely avoidable.

Soontobe60 · Today 07:05

To be completely honest, I would have felt very upset if my ex had planned on taking our DD on his honeymoon with him - that’s just weird. It sounds like it was a big expensive wedding followed by a big expensive holiday - could it be that the ex cannot afford these things herself?
How did their split and your relationship come about? Also, how did your DSD react when she was told she couldn’t go on the expensive honeymoon?

vanishingact12 · Today 07:07

PJ98 · Today 07:02

Youre avoiding answering the question about whether your DH bothered to go to court so I'm guessing not. Most of this will have been entirely avoidable.

Sorry, i was typing replies to the other comments and this was my next issue to deal with. The answer is no, he didn’t. Before he met and moved on with me, things were fairly amicable but that was mainly because his ex had almost complete control and, being a long time single, he tended to operate around her. She could be difficult but he could suck that up. Her behaviour has escalated from when we started doing things as a family. I honestly think she thought that my DSD would not enjoy her time with us and opt to be with her mum full time. That hasn’t been the case and she is now almost more with us than she is at her mum’s.

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vanishingact12 · Today 07:11

Soontobe60 · Today 07:05

To be completely honest, I would have felt very upset if my ex had planned on taking our DD on his honeymoon with him - that’s just weird. It sounds like it was a big expensive wedding followed by a big expensive holiday - could it be that the ex cannot afford these things herself?
How did their split and your relationship come about? Also, how did your DSD react when she was told she couldn’t go on the expensive honeymoon?

The wedding was incredibly low key. Very few people and cost no more than a few hundred pounds, that is why we decided to book a lovely holiday for us all instead. Had we gone just the two of us, we could have afforded an even better hotel/location but we enjoy doing things as a family and we wouldn’t want the DC to miss out on a lovely experience.

I’m interested to know what would upset you about your ex taking your DD? Just trying to understand an alternative point of view.

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