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To think MIL and SIL shouldn’t stop DD from caring about her appearance?

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theandl · Yesterday 19:53

My MIL and SIL are quite different to me. They’re very much “looks are the least interesting thing about you” people and tend to look down on women who wear makeup, make an effort with clothes etc. They’re also very much of the “go on, have another piece of bread/pudding” school of eating and will make comments if anyone says no to dessert even when full.

I’m not particularly obsessed with looks but I do take pride in my appearance. I exercise, try to keep my weight fairly stable, wear makeup, make an effort with my clothes etc. I have a good job, 3 kids, went to Oxford, lots of hobbies, travel etc, so it’s not as though my appearance is my entire personality, but I do like looking nice. Mainly for myself rather than anyone else but also I guess my daughter so she’s not embarrassed to go to her mum by the school gates.

My DD is 7 and she’s quite similar to me in that respect. She loves choosing her outfits, doing her hair, pretty dresses, lip balm etc. She’s also bright, funny, loves reading and drawing, does gymnastics and is generally a lovely kid. She just likes pretty things and likes looking nice. Like many little girls I guess she copies me, her mum.

Recently MIL and SIL have started making little comments about it and it’s really starting to get to me. Things like “are we going through the whole wardrobe before we leave?”, “who are you trying to impress?” and “you know nobody really cares what you’re wearing, don’t you?”

The other day DD came downstairs in a new dress she’d picked out and clearly looked very happy with herself, thought she looked nice. SIL laughed and said something like “honestly, you are obsessed with looking pretty. It’s much more important to be clever.” DD just said “I am clever.” And that’s the bit that’s really got to me. I genuinely don’t care what they think about me. If they think I’m too interested in my appearance then fine, I’m an adult and can deal with it. But she’s 7. I don’t think adults need to be making comments to a 7yo about being vain or caring too much about how she looks.

Equally if she’s full and doesn’t want cake or another piece of lasagne, she’ll say “no thank you”, which I think is healthy. MIL will act all offended, as to them not finishing everything that someone has cooked is rude. By which I mean, if let’s say 10 portions of lasagne were cooked for 6 people and the surplus 4 were unfinished, it would be rude for people to say “no thank you” after they had eaten their original full portion and finished everything on their plate, just saying no to seconds.

Obviously I tell her that being kind, funny, clever, brave etc is much more important than being pretty. But I also don’t think there’s anything wrong with her liking dresses and doing her hair and wanting to look nice, twirling in front of the mirror and enjoying how she looks. They’re not mutually exclusive. I’ve told them to knock it off and they think I’m being too sensitive and that it’s only teasing. Other times they say that looks shouldn’t be something we think about at all but… people do think about looks, it’s just life!

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LiteraryBambi · Today 09:43

Timeforachange26 · Today 08:58

Again you are putting " well presented" and " professional" together.

Yes because I think its important to look well presented as a professional and in a professional environment. That's not a novel view.

Some exceptions, no one expects patients to look groomed at a hospital.

2chocolateoranges · Today 09:43

I think you all need to let her be 7: she s child,

from your title I thought she was going to be a teenager.

i have a work colleague who moans that her dd has everything, good clothes (she wants her to stand out from other children her age) , all the tech , skin care, make up etc. she buys her it , but moans that she will have nothing to buy when she is older. This child is 6 and has a beauty routine!

Chickpeacurrywithrice · Today 09:46

NinaGeiger · Yesterday 20:04

How?
I thought OP sounded pretty reasonable

She thinks her daughter would be embarrassed yo
go to her at the school gates, unless she’s dressed a particular way? The daughter is 7.

Thats not healthy.

Timeforachange26 · Today 09:50

LiteraryBambi · Today 09:43

Yes because I think its important to look well presented as a professional and in a professional environment. That's not a novel view.

Some exceptions, no one expects patients to look groomed at a hospital.

But it's not exclusive. People can be not professionals and still be well groomed.

And the bloody school fate is hardly a " professional" setting. Id imagine the true professionals would be at work not the school gate

Cherrytree86 · Today 09:59

Some women think you can’t be interested in clothes and makeup and at the same time be interested in other ‘deeper’ stuff. It’s INTERNALISED MISOGYNY

OtterlyAstounding · Today 10:03

Winterhasbeenandgone · Today 02:46

Nope. There is not a single word in the OPs posts to say her daughter is self conscious about her appearance. She has 3 kids, and the daughter is the only one where it's mentioned that she likes to dress up, like her mum does.

If I am wrong, quote me the exact words that prove your claim. No inferences, word for word.

She loves choosing her outfits, doing her hair, pretty dresses, lip balm etc.

To clarify, I'm using 'self-conscious' in the older definition – "intentionally done, written, made, etc. in a particular way, especially in an effort to be impressive."

I don’t think it's great for a 7-year-old to be so concerned about appearing pretty, and if (as OP says) she's learning it from her mum, that's not ideal. The OP's belief that 7-year-olds are judging parents' outfits at the school gates is a very odd one too.

leojeojao · Today 10:19

OP I wouldn’t advise you to ever ask for help here again. This place is TOXIC. Your MIL and SIL sound EXACTLY like the ladies commenting on this thread. You’ve come here for perspective and have basically found a whole room of people making the same judgements they are! It’s interesting, I also don’t see the these ladies who apparently feel so “sad” for your daughter rushing to comment when someone is asking for REAL help. Those posts get 2–3 replies, if that. Yet mention a mother who cares about looking presentable and encourages her daughter to do the same, and suddenly everyone has a lot to say.
That alone tells you everything!!
If you care about your appearance, it’s “unhealthy”. If you make an effort, it’s “odd”. If you encourage your daughter to look after herself, you’re apparently putting pressure on her. Why is it so difficult for some women to accept that another woman simply enjoys looking polished?
A lot of it is their own projection. And internalised misogyny, the moment a woman takes pride in herself, other women seem determined to tell her why she shouldn’t. I think you are MORE than OKAY. There is absolutely nothing wrong with encouraging your daughter to look after herself and take pride in her appearance.
And your MIL and SIL can SHUT UP and shove the extra lasagne down their throats. 🐽

LiteraryBambi · Today 10:20

Timeforachange26 · Today 09:50

But it's not exclusive. People can be not professionals and still be well groomed.

And the bloody school fate is hardly a " professional" setting. Id imagine the true professionals would be at work not the school gate

Edited

I agree

TheBlueKoala · Today 10:46

leojeojao · Today 09:33

Oh, I’m sure it makes you sad! A mother teaching her daughter how to look PRESENTABLE// what an awful thing to encourage!! How thoughtful of you to turn that into something negative. This is exactly the sort of thing women who put very little effort into their appearance say. I see far too many shabby women at the school gates who seem to think that taking pride in how you look somehow makes you less intelligent or less serious about your career. You sound like the sort of tacky English woman who thinks shop bought frozen food, greasy hair and dirt under your nails are somehow signs that you’re above caring about your appearance. Being well groomed and taking pride in how you present yourself doesn’t mean you’re unintelligent, insecure or “compensating” for anything. If anything, the projection seems to be coming from you!

Quite a leap there don't you think? So if I don't agree that children should be taught to focus too much on their appearance and how pretty they are it makes me a filthy slob?

I am ALWAYS presentable when I leave the house and so are my children. Most people (who aren't mentally unwell/homeless) are. Atleast where I live.

To encourage narcissism and constantly wanting to please others by your appearance is detrimental to mental health because you are so much more than your package.

Even my parents who were feminists in the 80's when I grew up deliberately complimented me on how kind, intelligent, good at sports etc I was. Which made me want to strive to be even kinder; more intelligent and better at sports. The things we give feedback on to our kids matters- it shapes their idea of themselves. So yes, I think it's sad when girls are being reduced to just being pretty. I thought we'd come further than this.

TheBlueKoala · Today 10:48

Cherrytree86 · Today 09:59

Some women think you can’t be interested in clothes and makeup and at the same time be interested in other ‘deeper’ stuff. It’s INTERNALISED MISOGYNY

We are not talking about women- the child is 7.

PotolKimchi · Today 11:36

I've got an Oxford degree (and more than one), and I am a professional working mum. I wear not a shred of make up except maybe some lip balm. My hair is always neat and brushed with a slight blow dry that takes about 5 mins in the morning. (I'm not white btw so I don't look pale without make up). My house is neat and tidy because as two working parents with two kids, an untidy house would drive us mad. We all contribute to household chores, including my kids. Everything has a place.

So on the whole no I do not put in any effort into my appearance per se but neither am I: "You sound like the sort of tacky English woman who thinks shop bought frozen food, greasy hair and dirt under your nails are somehow signs that you’re above caring about your appearance." I suspect I'm the average 40ish woman who goes to work, and has kids and a house.

For the OP the appearance is importance. She wants her kid to notice it. That is her key takeaway and that is what her kid has learned- hence she copies her mum. What do I want my kids to notice? I want my kids to notice that mum works hard and that work is not something that only papa does, that we share our household chores equally, that we always always make time for them, that mum tries (and fails sometimes) at things she finds hard, that mum takes risks, that mum doesn't always get things right and she isn't afraid to apologise. That's what I want my kids to notice about me, and to remember about me. Now how I was dressed at the school gate when they were 7.

gratefulmezze · Today 11:43

OP you sound reasonable and your DD sounds normal and well balanced.
Society does judge us on looks - it's a fact. If OP wants to be the best version of herself for her DD to be proud of that's fine, and I'm sure this extends well beyond her appearance.
It does sound like you spend too much time with the in laws though!

WiltedLettuce · Today 13:06

I tell my children that they don't need to eat anything they don't want to, and they can have as much or as little of any food on offer as they like. That is the hill that I will die on, and no one will ever force or guilt my children into eating something they don't want to eat. There are so many unhealthy attitudes tied up with food, and I don't want those passed on to my children.

I let my children choose their clothes and wear what they want, within reason, and if anyone commented on their choices or appearances in a negative way, I'd be furious. I kiss them and cuddle them and sometimes hold the small one upside down when she comes downstairs and I tell them that they are so gorgeous that I'm going to have to eat them. Your MIL and SIL's negativity would really annoy me.

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