To absolutely hate this government, and what they are doing to our country? PART 2

[CoventryCity]

A continuation of Thread 1.

Strong words but is is how I feel at this point in time. All of them make me feel physically sick. Why? Well many reasons.. Here are just two.

Eg. They won't release sex crime statistics of immigrants / asylum seekers. Why? Other European countries have done, and it is not pretty. Our gvt gives out a leaflet asking them not to rape the locals. Why? Our gvt has said they won't house asylum seekers next to schools and nurseries, why?

Eg. UK now spends more on benefits than it earns in income tax. Labour have increased this - not reduced it. Astonishing. As they say - "Who can we tax in order to pay benefits to others?" That's Labour's Welfare Secretary. He's describing the priorities of Labour MPs.

In the last financial year, the UK government brought in £331 billion in income tax — and spent even more, £333 billion, on welfare, according to the Office for Budget Responsibility's latest economic and fiscal outlook (obr.uk/efo/economic-and-fiscal-outlook-march-2026/#chapter-6).

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Ah I see. You don't like the data so you say it's an agenda. Left wing are consistent for sure.

Sorry - I meant paying into my private pension.

No no - you are confused. You and cardi are the whatabouters, it's draining. It helps you make your invalid points though, so we shouldn't
be surprised.

It is as though 14 years of Conservative mismanagement never happened.

14 years in which "trickle down economics" was finally proven to be nonsense and instead money floated up and into the pockets of those who already had money with which to purchase shares and rental properties, invest in private pensions (partly paid for by taxpayers) and benefit from the inflation in property prices - all things that those with no savings, no investments, people forced to rent and people living from week to week on low incomes or on uncertain zero-hour contracts were excluded from.

10 years since the Brexit referendum in which the Leave campaign triumphed through a mix of misinformation, manipulation and straightforward lies - a success that has so far cost every person in the UK an estimated £3,000 per year. Think about it - UK residents now have £30,000 per person less than if Brexit had not happened, or £60,000 per couple. Ever felt like you've been mugged?

Not forgetting the earlier Conservative sell-off of most of the UK's vital infratructure and resources - utilities, railways, energy, prisons etc. and North Sea Oil - much of which are now owned by vulture capitalists from the USA or wealthy oligarchs from the Middle East and China. Every time you pay an electricity bill, almost half of the money goes directly into the pockets of some of the wealthiest Funds and individuals on the planet instead of being invested in improving the infrastructure and service or in lowering prices, and yet these rich shareholders and bond holders have the government over a barrel and keep insisting on more government support, loans and tax breaks or else they will allow these vital services to deteriorate even further.

@Havanananana
100%. Thankyou

Yes you’re right. The issue can be discussed without the usual whatabout.

Not really. I pay 45% tax on some of my income. I pay 80% on my BTL income as I don't own them through a Ltd company.

I also pay council tax, VAT, I've paid significant stamp duty twice on the last 10 years, as well as around other duties and so on. I will definitely be paying 50% tax once you add it all up and I'm not getting that back in services.

UC is such an 'all in one' benefit that the people claiming it and not working will have many different circumstances.

Nor are you paying it all on money you work for, and nor is it all going to people who can work but don't, so its somewhat moot. And my challenge to the PP silly analogy still stands.

You literarily wrote , quote ". But what about our Brians, they're just as bad! ", in a discussion about violence against women. And ended it there.

What would be the natural reply to that ? How about " What about the bairns ?"

Do you not see how that sort if discussion goes nowhere ?

And here again in your reply to me about you using whataboutism, you are just using projection and something about invalid points. Instead of addressing the subject of my post to you... about your good self using whataboutisms.

It really does help in debate. To stop using whatabout, that is.

True, net migration also includes those we would rather they stay, however the UK is also deporting twice as many as arrive irregularly etc etc.

The interesting thing for me is that there is no obvious solution. There isn't really a 'pull' as the reality is different from the narrative. Asylum seekers aren't given houses and loads of money. We could imprison them in fact, and it wouldn't stop the trafficking as they are being sold a dream that is not real. They are as unlikely to listen to reality as a reform voter is likely to look at factual evidence. That can be evidenced by the recent Portsmouth riots where many of those arrested were known to the police for domestic violence making them more likely to be a danger to women than the immigrants they were protesting about.

Since Brexit, we can't turn boats back in the channel (not that I would want), we don't have sufficient boats in the navy to police the channel anyway (thanks to several previous governments), and any solution requires funding which needs money to come from somewhere. Tax rises are unpopular, as are cuts to fund from elsewhere.

At least you got a reply. The OP is seemingly finding all this so draining that she didn't answer my question on thread 1.

I like the correct data from legitimate sources, properly researched, without an agenda. These sources know the answer they want and work towards them.

Just to show that you are absolutely above board or not, do you acknowledge that net migration is going down? A source you quoted says it is.

Wrong thread sorry. Edit .

Are you serious? I was being sarcastic because that is what you and cardi were doing. And you know it. Grow up.

Brexit or not isn’t a factor, as other EU countries couldn’t just turn everyone back.

The number of asylum seekers has gone up. Is going up each year. Labour have stopped student fraud so those numbers reduce immigration stats yes. That is in the data I provided links too. I also said it in a comment. No shocker there.

Except Brexit really is a drain on our economy and that in turn impacts so many aspects of what we can and cannot do to fix the country. Money's got to come from somewhere, like trade. So much of our services were reliant on access to the single market and customs union (but mostly the single market). We just need to inject more oxygen into the system - by trading more! Cutting ourselves off from our biggest and closest trading partners seriously hasn't helped. The head-in-sand strategy won't make the underlying issues go away. Brexit is inherently shit and needs fixing - whether we like to talk about it or not. Take the most recent story about car parts and whether manufactured parts from the UK can be sold and assembled in the EU. Losing that status would be another negative consequence of Brexit. Sure, the government will rightly argue against it and hopefully some solution will be worked out but the fact remains that we wouldn't even be having that conversation if we'd stayed in the EU. Brexit is, and has always been, a total con.

Who froze the tax bands?

Who froze the tax bands? The Tories
Who brought about and implemented Brexit? The Tories
Austerity? The Tories
The 'Boris' immigration wave? The Tories

@StandFirm weird how the narrative is the Tories don’t raise taxes

Exactly. Why people keep going on about Brexit impact on immigration is peculiar. Most of Western Europe has a mass immigration problem.

For example (there is much more - Italy, Greece, Germany, Spain, UK - if we could see the UK data that is)

Sweden https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/01/18/nearly-two-thirds-convicted-rapists-sweden-migrants/

Norway https://norwaynews.com/norways-asylum-seeker-rape-epidemic-continues-to-spread/

Brexit is definitely a factor for irregular immigration as the statistics show. Numbers increased when the French stopped doing anything their side. Also, Boris (I think it was Boris, so many of them have introduced stupid things, it is hard to recall which particular idiot introduced which stupid thing) decided it would be a good thing to change the law so that you have to be on UK soil before you can apply for asylum. That one isn't Brexit related, but it is government stupidity.

I think the difficulty is that everyone seems to lump together asylum seekers / irregular migrants / illegal migrants and yet they are all tracked and handled differently, and with greater or lesser levels of success.

https://archive.ph/pYGzn

Nearly two thirds of convicted rapists in Sweden are migrants or second generation immigrants

Researchers at Lund University found that 63 per cent of convictions for rape or attempted rape were handed down to people born abroad, or whose parents were born abroad.

Pre Brexit we had an amount of immigration. Post Brexit that amount increased. As a direct result of Brexit. That's why people mention it as a factor. Because it is. Is it the only factor? No. Is it a significant factor? Yes.