To absolutely hate this government, and what they are doing to our country? PART 2

[CoventryCity]

A continuation of Thread 1.

Strong words but is is how I feel at this point in time. All of them make me feel physically sick. Why? Well many reasons.. Here are just two.

Eg. They won't release sex crime statistics of immigrants / asylum seekers. Why? Other European countries have done, and it is not pretty. Our gvt gives out a leaflet asking them not to rape the locals. Why? Our gvt has said they won't house asylum seekers next to schools and nurseries, why?

Eg. UK now spends more on benefits than it earns in income tax. Labour have increased this - not reduced it. Astonishing. As they say - "Who can we tax in order to pay benefits to others?" That's Labour's Welfare Secretary. He's describing the priorities of Labour MPs.

In the last financial year, the UK government brought in £331 billion in income tax — and spent even more, £333 billion, on welfare, according to the Office for Budget Responsibility's latest economic and fiscal outlook (obr.uk/efo/economic-and-fiscal-outlook-march-2026/#chapter-6).

Previous thread
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5580786-to-absolutely-hate-this-government-and-what-they-are-doing-to-our-country?page=40&reply=154902611&utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=share

We don't know the UK data of course, since it is being blocked by our gvt.

There is literally no data at all for this. I've provided you the data. You just don't like it. Why are you wedded to the idea that asylum seekers are committing more crimes? Will you condemn the actual perpetrators of domestic violence - those rioting against asylum seekers?

No they're not. Last time I checked the numbers it was only about a third of UC claimants who were working. That's not a "vast majority". The vast majority, i.e. two thirds don't work.

Key bit is below:

Although limitations to the data, which we will explain later on, mean that it is not currently possible to make a fully accurate conclusion.

Because 19 is too small a number to extrapolate from.

See my post at 14:49 above. I expect you'll refute that data though :)

@CoventryCity

Your sources are all right-wing agitators with an agenda. They are entirely unreliable. I've provided evidence that foreign nationals are not more likely to be convicted of crimes from a neutral source.

I'll give you another chance: will you condemn those for whom we have actual data: the racists nonces who are rioiting against asylum seekers?

Do you acknowledge that net migration is going down?

@Badbadbunny
i don’t know where you checked, but my research has shown that a substantial amount of UC claimants are working adults.

my point is: there is such a wealth divide in this country that it’s almost Victorian. There are few jobs ( especially for young people) and apprenticeships are not always available. The welfare bill is high yes, but what do you propose is to be done? Bring back workhouses?

in the meantime, because we’re all pissed off with the situation, let’s turn on the immigrants instead of holding MP’s and government to account.

Gov.uk website!

"there were 3.1 million people on Universal Credit in any employment (PAYE employment or self-employment) in April 2026, which was 37.7% of all people on Universal Credit."

www.gov.uk/government/statistics/universal-credit-quarterly-statistics-29-april-2013-to-14-may-2026/universal-credit-quarterly-statistics-29-april-2013-to-14-may-2026

I am in my 50's and this is the first time in my life I am fearful for the future of this country. We just seem to have less and less people working, leaving those that are likely to experience tax hikes in the near future.

I also worry about getting a state pension - worried they'll means test it. As I have an OK private pension, will they take my state pension away? Leaving me with about the same amount of income when I retire as someone that doesn't have a state pension? If that happens, what was the point in me saving money into a state pension if I'm not much better off than someone that didn't?

@Badbadbunny. Well, you made your point without acknowledging mine.

Are they the same ones that are also "taking all our jobs"?

And more and more workers actually working less due to a disincentivising tax regime.

Not just workers. Same with self employed. I only run a small accounting practice, just 60 clients, but in the last 2 days, two clients have decided to reduce their working hours because of the VAT threshold cliff edge. They're worse off by working full time, so they're going down to 4 day weeks to get turnover back under the threshold which saves them both around £10k in VAT! That's a direct loss of tax revenue to HMRC. Their "net" after taxes taking into account lower turnover, lower overheads but also lower taxes is not really much less and they have an extra day of freedom. It's a no brainer really. That adds to my guest house client who deregistered last year by "closing down" the top floor of his guest house to reduce his turnover and who likewise immediately saved £10k in VAT every year, and has also reduced overheads in terms of lower costs of cleaning and laundry, food, power, replacement linen, F&F etc - still working 7 days per week, but no worse off, less stress and a bit more free time.

It's utterly insane and dragging the country's economy down.

I replied to your post 14:57.

The Irony here. Someone talks about their husband not hitting them. @cardibach explains that violence is statistically in relationships and goes on to say how they do not fear violence from asylum seekers/different races, and you reply to that by say TERRIBLE ARGUEMENT and WHATABOUT.

No wonder your last thread got full so fast. You just declared "terrible" argument without addressing a single point mentioned, and then you go to "whatabout". That is a terrible debating style, to use whataboutisms, because the original point is not being addressed at all. Whataboutism just keeps adding things, and the original point is totally lost.

I made a promise to myself years ago never to say "whatabout". I was going through something difficult, and once I made that promise, things changed. Because I had to force myself to play the ball being played, and seek data and information, to address the point. Not to deflect.

Honestly, if you are about to write "whatabout" you should really stop yourself. Stay on the subject being discussed. It really does work.

I certainly feel as though they are doing all they can to level out standard of living - so that there isn't much of a gap between working full time on minimum wage and not working. In fact there are lots of scenarios in which people are better off despite not working! So can't blame people really. It is the system that makes no sense.

@Badbadbunny. I meant my comments about the “stop all benefits” brigade.

my apologies. I realise that’s not what you were referring to.

@CoventryCity I haven't read every post in the previous thread, but I read most of yours. You quote the Migration Observatory as your source for asylum seeker figures increasing year on year, however that wasn't what I saw on their site:

https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/press/citizenship-applications-hit-new-record-while-asylum-applications-fall/

They also reference small boat crossings reducing:

https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/commentaries/qa-why-have-small-boat-arrivals-declined-in-2026/

I am not a huge fan of this government, however one must recognise that the previous one left the country in a mess. Brexit was disastrous for the economy, war in the Ukraine, pandemic, and Trump's little foray into Iran have compounded things immeasurably.

That and the UK electorate wanting champagne service for lemonade money, nobody understanding that a tanker takes time to turn, and a constant rotation of Prime Ministers (I had hoped Labour would be better on this front, but alas).

I don't actually think either Labour or Conservative have any political heavyweights currently. Reform are a joke, and Lib Dem not really that far in front of them.

You are catastrophising.

There is literally no chance the state pension will be means tested. Anyone who screws with pensioners state pensions will never get re-elected. The state pension counts as income which means it can be taxed as any other form of income is.

You really will always be better off if you save into your pension.

@HappiestSleeping he simply won't acknowledge that net migration is going down, because it doesn't suit his agenda.

Why ‘he’?

I probably am catastrophising. But I just wouldn't put anything past them. They don't seem to be in a hurry to resolve fiscal drag. The salary for going into the higher rate of tax should be about £70k due to inflation but it is about £50k!

Net migration is going down as the bright, successful people are leaving. Most of the people coming in aren't. Why on earth would they. Huge difference.

I hated the country the tories turned this place into while they were ruling. Tends to be the case when the side you don't support wins.

I don't know where you got that statistic, but you do know that statistics apply to everyone?

That is, statistically, if that 1 in 5 is true, and you don't claim benefits, there is a 1 in 5 chance that you will as well.

You don't pay money into a state pension. The money taken from earnings is used to pay for current pensioners. It's not a savings or investment scheme. There is no ring fenced pot for you.