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To not let my younger daughter lend her sister the money for school trip?

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OneSunnyGreenTurtle · Yesterday 15:32

My 14 year old is going on a three day school trip to London next week. I have been paying for it in instalments since the beginning of the year and have finally managed to get the main cost paid. She is really looking forward to it and has been talking about it for months. But the school has now sent a message saying they need to bring money for food, drinks and an evening activity which isn’t included. Apparently most of the children are taking at least £50. My daughter says she will be the only one without it and is getting very upset about the whole thing.

I work part time in a supermarket and get Universal Credit. Money is tight at the moment and I honestly haven’t got £50 spare. I have told her I can give her £15 and pack some food for her, but she says her friends will all be buying things throughout the day and she will be embarrassed taking a packed lunch. She also says the evening activity is something they are all doing and she doesn’t want to sit in the hotel while everyone else goes. I do understand that she wants to fit in, but I have already paid for the trip itself and can’t just magic up another £50. I have said she needs to be grateful she is going at all, which probably wasn’t the most helpful thing to say.

My younger daughter is 10 and has been saving for a new phone. She has a little tin in her bedroom and has about £80 in it from birthdays, Christmas and money relatives have given her. She has been saving for ages and keeps looking at phones online. Anyway she overheard me and her sister talking about the trip and offered to lend her £30. She said she doesn’t mind and can save it up again, and that she wants her sister to have a nice time. She wasn’t being forced or anything, she came out with it herself. But I said no straight away and told her that her money was hers and she didn’t need to pay for her sister’s school trip.

This is where it has all kicked off really. My older daughter said that her sister had offered and I was being unfair by stopping her. She said she would pay her back when she gets her birthday money, although that isn’t until next year. I said that isn’t really the point and that a 10 year old shouldn’t be lending her savings to make up for what I can’t afford. She called me mean and said I was making her feel guilty for wanting to go on the trip. I know she is disappointed but I don’t think it is unreasonable to say no. I don’t want her thinking that because her sister has some savings, she can just use them whenever she wants something.

My younger daughter is now upset with me too. She keeps saying she offered because she wanted to and that I have made it into a big thing. She has even asked if she can give her sister the money without telling me, which obviously isn’t happening. The girls were getting on quite well before this but now they are arguing about it. My older one says her sister doesn’t mind and my younger one says I am stopping her doing something kind. I don’t want either of them feeling responsible for the other’s money problems, if that makes sense. But I also don’t want to make my eldest feel like she can’t have the same experiences as her friends.

The school has said they can bring packed lunches, and the evening activity is an extra thing they have arranged while they are in London. I don’t think the school has offered any financial help, although I haven’t actually asked them directly yet. I could email and explain the situation, but I feel embarrassed doing that after managing to pay the main trip cost. My daughter says everyone has been told to bring spending money and that the teachers won’t want to hear about it. I don’t know how much of that is actually true. She has also said she will just go without food rather than take what I pack, which is worrying me.

AIBU to refuse to let my younger daughter lend her sister the money? Should my older daughter just accept that she can’t have the extras and go with the £15 I can afford, or should I be asking the school about help? I don’t want to take the trip away from her because she has been looking forward to it, but I can’t afford to keep adding money to it. And I don’t think it is right for a 10 year old to feel she needs to help pay for her sister’s school trip, even if she has offered. What would you do?

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Abackupplan · Yesterday 16:27

FoldItIn · Yesterday 16:17

A nice little life lesson for both of them in my view though i agree no kid should be paying toward their own school trips.
Tell the eldest that you will be deducting the amount from her christmas budget, though does she not get any spend at all?
Ask the school first of course but I don't see any problem at all with your 10 year old lending it, it's her choice to make about her money.

Edited to add, definitely pack her some snacks too!

Edited

Deduct from her Christmas money… bloody hell, these just keep on getting better and better 🙄

Abackupplan · Yesterday 16:29

Monty36 · Yesterday 16:10

I would also want a clear and transparent picture of the costs and who is paying for the teachers to go ? I do hope they are, and students are not subsidising them ?
I wouldn’t assume anything.

Honestly - this thread!

FriendlyMedusa · Yesterday 16:30

I don’t want her thinking she can just borrow from her sister and not bother paying it back.
With all due respect, this isn't a deficit caused by her so I don't think that's a fair lesson. £50 for 3 days of spending money and an activity is not extravagant, and while I completely understand your situation, I do think you should have anticipated that she'd need some pocket money.

The lesson you are actually teaching here is "accept ostracisation or be indebted for getting what everyone else gets", which is a bit sad. I agree with others that it's you who needs to pay younger DD back.

Hmmmmwineandchocs · Yesterday 16:30

What a sweet sweet little sister. I would let her lend the money but draw up an agreement for paying it back, maybe pay it back between you and your eldest.

OriginalSkang · Yesterday 16:31

I would pay it back myself to the 10 year old, not make the teen do it. Its money for a school trip.

Kindnessappreciated · Yesterday 16:31

What a truly lovely and thoughtful girl your 10 year old is. 🥰

Monty36 · Yesterday 16:31

Abackupplan · Yesterday 16:29

Honestly - this thread!

What is wrong with wanting to know how the school pays for the trip for the teachers ? Nothing. They are a public body if a state school. Open and transparency especially to do with finances should not even have to be asked for. It should be upfront.

Abackupplan · Yesterday 16:32

Monty36 · Yesterday 16:31

What is wrong with wanting to know how the school pays for the trip for the teachers ? Nothing. They are a public body if a state school. Open and transparency especially to do with finances should not even have to be asked for. It should be upfront.

Is this what you used to do?

hourglass2 · Yesterday 16:33

Abackupplan · Yesterday 16:19

Some would say “it’s a life lesson”

Well if that a “life lesson” then it’s one I never intend to give my children

Yes awful, I was that kid at school and it still stings a bit now..

Snorlaxo · Yesterday 16:33

Let dd2 lend the money but make sure dd1 knows that this is a one off and she can’t rely on dd2 for future problems like this.

tbh I think that you should be borrowing from dd2 as spends are part of the trip cost. Not unreasonable if you make dd1 reaponsible for paying dd2 the activity cost though as that’s an extra rather than a necessity like good. If you frel
guilty, pay dd2 more than you borrowed as interest. I’m sure she’d be delighted with a bit extra for her phone.

Some great ideas about how to pay dd2 back eg using vinted or facebook market place.

You must be very proud of dd2.

If there are any other trips warm dd1 that she’s responsible for saving for extras starting now.

I think that contacting school is an excellent idea and I hope that they can offer a discount on the trip or similar to make it more affordable for you. My kids’ school stated a maximum spends amount and hopefully would have explained that food was part of that amount.

alcovecupboards · Yesterday 16:34

Monty36 · Yesterday 16:10

I would also want a clear and transparent picture of the costs and who is paying for the teachers to go ? I do hope they are, and students are not subsidising them ?
I wouldn’t assume anything.

Please be serious. It's parents like this that make teachers start to refuse to take on the responsibility of school trips - which is bad for all children.

Monty36 · Yesterday 16:36

alcovecupboards · Yesterday 16:34

Please be serious. It's parents like this that make teachers start to refuse to take on the responsibility of school trips - which is bad for all children.

Fine, assume you are subsidising them then.

Sundaynightterrors · Yesterday 16:37

Do your children have free school meals? If so the school receives funding to support children to have access to activities and learning (Pupil Premium Funding). You could ask if some of this could be used to support your daughter to access the evening activity.
secondary schools often have ‘hardship’ or can access trust funding to support pupils. So definitely contact them ask what support is available.

OriginalSkang · Yesterday 16:38

I would 100% assume the students are paying for the teachers to go on the trip!

EmeraldShamrock000 · Yesterday 16:38

OneSunnyGreenTurtle · Yesterday 16:14

Thank you everyone for the replies. I didn’t expect so many people to say let her borrow it but I can see what you mean about her offering it herself. I think I am just worried that she will feel she has to keep helping her sister out with money. She is only 10 and has been saving for that phone for ages.

I am going to contact the school and ask about help with the trip and whether there is anything they can do about the extra activity. I honestly hadn’t thought about it until now as I assumed the main cost covered most things. They have said they can bring packed lunches but the children are expected to buy food at some point, which I should have checked properly.

My eldest doesn’t get regular pocket money. She gets money at birthdays and Christmas but tends to spend it. She does have some clothes and things she could probably sell though, so I might suggest that to her. I don’t want her thinking she can just borrow from her sister and not bother paying it back.

As for working more hours, I have asked about extra shifts before but they aren’t always available and childcare is another issue. I do try and cut back where I can but there isn’t much left to cut back on. I know some people think I should just find the money but it really isn’t that simple at the moment.

I will speak to my mum too and see if she can help with a little bit, although she doesn’t have much spare either. I appreciate the kind comments about my younger daughter. She really is lovely and I don’t want her to lose that kindness, I just want her to understand that she doesn’t have to sort out everyone else’s problems.

That’s a terrible way of looking at it, saying appreciate the kind comments about my younger daughter. She really is lovely and I don’t want her to lose that kindness, I just want her to understand that she doesn’t have to sort out everyone else’s problems.
She is trying to help her sister who will be left out and starving in London. She shouldn’t have to sort out everyone’s problems when this is actually your problem. She is helping the family because of the financial situation.
There are plenty of other single parents who would work more hours if they had childcare, start minding children when your not working. Do delivery jobs in the evening, most takeaways are cash in hand.
If there is any lending situation, take it as your debt and repay DD2.

TwinklyRoseTurtle · Yesterday 16:40

You have written you don’t want either child to be responsible for the other child’s money problems- I think you mean your money problems. Is there a reason you only work part time? I couldn’t imagine sending my child on a trip without money especially when all there peers are going to have money. I think you are being very unreasonable OP, it shouldn’t even be a conversation that your child has to give the other money. I think you need to look at increasing your own money or selling something.

Whenisitsummer · Yesterday 16:40

Monty36 · Yesterday 16:10

I would also want a clear and transparent picture of the costs and who is paying for the teachers to go ? I do hope they are, and students are not subsidising them ?
I wouldn’t assume anything.

I would fully expect to be subsidising the teachers trip as a parent.
Three days away supervising a bunch of teenagers, not being paid for most of it and taking time away from your own family.
Why on earth should teachers pay full price for that out of their own pocket?

Ablondiebutagoody · Yesterday 16:41

I think it's really kind of your youngest, you have done well there. I would allow the loan, paid back with £5 interest either at Christmas or birthday or eldest finds some other way to earn a bit of money. Sounds like she could do with a little job anyway.

Cora0 · Yesterday 16:42

OneSunnyGreenTurtle · Yesterday 16:14

Thank you everyone for the replies. I didn’t expect so many people to say let her borrow it but I can see what you mean about her offering it herself. I think I am just worried that she will feel she has to keep helping her sister out with money. She is only 10 and has been saving for that phone for ages.

I am going to contact the school and ask about help with the trip and whether there is anything they can do about the extra activity. I honestly hadn’t thought about it until now as I assumed the main cost covered most things. They have said they can bring packed lunches but the children are expected to buy food at some point, which I should have checked properly.

My eldest doesn’t get regular pocket money. She gets money at birthdays and Christmas but tends to spend it. She does have some clothes and things she could probably sell though, so I might suggest that to her. I don’t want her thinking she can just borrow from her sister and not bother paying it back.

As for working more hours, I have asked about extra shifts before but they aren’t always available and childcare is another issue. I do try and cut back where I can but there isn’t much left to cut back on. I know some people think I should just find the money but it really isn’t that simple at the moment.

I will speak to my mum too and see if she can help with a little bit, although she doesn’t have much spare either. I appreciate the kind comments about my younger daughter. She really is lovely and I don’t want her to lose that kindness, I just want her to understand that she doesn’t have to sort out everyone else’s problems.

What a mean post. Why don’t you sell some things on Vinted and you pay your younger daughter back for the shortfall?

You are the parent. You are the one working part time. It’s a school trip. I would be tying myself into a knot to figure it out rather than insisting that my children go without and cover my own oversight.

You speak so poorly of your 14 year old, talking about how she spends her birthday and Christmas money. Of course she does, that’s all she gets! And things sound very lean the rest of the time. Being able to get herself something twice a year when she normally has little is not a moral failing.

hourglass2 · Yesterday 16:43

Abackupplan · Yesterday 16:27

Deduct from her Christmas money… bloody hell, these just keep on getting better and better 🙄

I know, poor kid...

Abackupplan · Yesterday 16:44

Monty36 · Yesterday 16:36

Fine, assume you are subsidising them then.

I can only hope with your contributions to this thread you don’t have children @Monty36 for their sake and for the sake of any school they would attend

Trumpisacunt · Yesterday 16:44

Notquitethetruth · Yesterday 15:44

You have 2 wonderful daughters who clearly love and support each other. Please don't let this come between you and them. Let your younger daughter loan the money. She wants to do it. Make it clear it has to be repaid. Hope she has a wonderful trip.

This,be thankful you have raised two lovely daughters and let the younger one lend the money - it sounds like money is tight at the moment but could you spare a couple of quid a week to pay her back?

KookyFish · Yesterday 16:44

Why does the 14 year old need to pay her back for food on her trip, you need to pay her back surely?

Abackupplan · Yesterday 16:45

I would expect to subsidise teachers. Willingly!!! Happily!

CreativeGreen · Yesterday 16:45

I don’t want her thinking she can just borrow from her sister and not bother paying it back.

So you take a moment with her and say, look, your sister is doing something really lovely for you, and you do know you'll need to agree a way with her that you pay her back in full, right, or else she won't offer to help again.

And hopefully if there's a time when dd2 needs help and dd1 can help her, they will have an established dynamic of doing so.

Honestly think it's daft and shooting yourself in the foot, and damaging the lovely connection they obviously have if you don't let her do this.