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To not let my younger daughter lend her sister the money for school trip?

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OneSunnyGreenTurtle · Yesterday 15:32

My 14 year old is going on a three day school trip to London next week. I have been paying for it in instalments since the beginning of the year and have finally managed to get the main cost paid. She is really looking forward to it and has been talking about it for months. But the school has now sent a message saying they need to bring money for food, drinks and an evening activity which isn’t included. Apparently most of the children are taking at least £50. My daughter says she will be the only one without it and is getting very upset about the whole thing.

I work part time in a supermarket and get Universal Credit. Money is tight at the moment and I honestly haven’t got £50 spare. I have told her I can give her £15 and pack some food for her, but she says her friends will all be buying things throughout the day and she will be embarrassed taking a packed lunch. She also says the evening activity is something they are all doing and she doesn’t want to sit in the hotel while everyone else goes. I do understand that she wants to fit in, but I have already paid for the trip itself and can’t just magic up another £50. I have said she needs to be grateful she is going at all, which probably wasn’t the most helpful thing to say.

My younger daughter is 10 and has been saving for a new phone. She has a little tin in her bedroom and has about £80 in it from birthdays, Christmas and money relatives have given her. She has been saving for ages and keeps looking at phones online. Anyway she overheard me and her sister talking about the trip and offered to lend her £30. She said she doesn’t mind and can save it up again, and that she wants her sister to have a nice time. She wasn’t being forced or anything, she came out with it herself. But I said no straight away and told her that her money was hers and she didn’t need to pay for her sister’s school trip.

This is where it has all kicked off really. My older daughter said that her sister had offered and I was being unfair by stopping her. She said she would pay her back when she gets her birthday money, although that isn’t until next year. I said that isn’t really the point and that a 10 year old shouldn’t be lending her savings to make up for what I can’t afford. She called me mean and said I was making her feel guilty for wanting to go on the trip. I know she is disappointed but I don’t think it is unreasonable to say no. I don’t want her thinking that because her sister has some savings, she can just use them whenever she wants something.

My younger daughter is now upset with me too. She keeps saying she offered because she wanted to and that I have made it into a big thing. She has even asked if she can give her sister the money without telling me, which obviously isn’t happening. The girls were getting on quite well before this but now they are arguing about it. My older one says her sister doesn’t mind and my younger one says I am stopping her doing something kind. I don’t want either of them feeling responsible for the other’s money problems, if that makes sense. But I also don’t want to make my eldest feel like she can’t have the same experiences as her friends.

The school has said they can bring packed lunches, and the evening activity is an extra thing they have arranged while they are in London. I don’t think the school has offered any financial help, although I haven’t actually asked them directly yet. I could email and explain the situation, but I feel embarrassed doing that after managing to pay the main trip cost. My daughter says everyone has been told to bring spending money and that the teachers won’t want to hear about it. I don’t know how much of that is actually true. She has also said she will just go without food rather than take what I pack, which is worrying me.

AIBU to refuse to let my younger daughter lend her sister the money? Should my older daughter just accept that she can’t have the extras and go with the £15 I can afford, or should I be asking the school about help? I don’t want to take the trip away from her because she has been looking forward to it, but I can’t afford to keep adding money to it. And I don’t think it is right for a 10 year old to feel she needs to help pay for her sister’s school trip, even if she has offered. What would you do?

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Abackupplan · Yesterday 15:34

oh Op … I am sorry you’re on this position but £50 for food and an activity out is reasonable.

She won’t be able to do the activity with £15.

Could you bump it up to £30?

TeenToTwenties · Yesterday 15:34

Christmas is coming up. Would elder be able to ask for money to repay sister then?

Abackupplan · Yesterday 15:35

Draw up a contract that older daughter has to sign promising to pay back younger sibling post Christmas present money

Abackupplan · Yesterday 15:35

TeenToTwenties · Yesterday 15:34

Christmas is coming up. Would elder be able to ask for money to repay sister then?

That’s what I’m thinking

Hatty65 · Yesterday 15:36

I do honestly think you are being unreasonable. Email the school for a start to explain, but there is nothing worse than feeling isolated for being poor. Taking food is really embarrassing for her and you certainly can't pack food for a 3 day trip. Surely it's just buying a McDonald's at services on the way down/back?

Let your younger DD lend her the extra £35 and YOU pay DD back at £10 a week for the next month.

Unless there is an adult you can borrow from? Close friend or family.

Abackupplan · Yesterday 15:36

All your saving for this trip will be undone if she has to sit on the sidelines for the evening activity. That is what she will remember. Sitting on the sidelines as she watches everyone else do the activity

BatshitIsTheOnlyExplanation · Yesterday 15:37

Doing nothing in a hotel room and not eating is a miserable way to spend a trip. Your younger daughter has offered a solution. You would be completely unreasonable not to make it work.

Abackupplan · Yesterday 15:38

Your younger daughter knows how bad this will be for her older sister hence making the sacrifice.

BadTimesAtTheElRoyale · Yesterday 15:38

I was always the child without spending money and it still sits with me now. Let your youngest lend the money and spend £30 less at Christmas and pay her back.

MatildaTheCat · Yesterday 15:39

Can you have a word with the school? It’s likely they could have subsided the trip in the first place given your situation.

Presumably DD could have saved herself over the months but didn’t?If she did borrow from your other (lovely) DD could you ensure a repayment plan was set up? At 14 your older DD surely has some access to money other than birthdays etc?

Overthebow · Yesterday 15:40

As oo says let your dd lend her the money and give to her back at Christmas.

Myplantsmyrules · Yesterday 15:40

Let your youngest daughter pay and then YOU pay her back over weeks or months or however long it takes.

TY78910 · Yesterday 15:41

Ohhhh OP I’m sorry you’re struggling with money, that would make me feel really shit.

If I were you, I would let the sister lend the money and then each month give her a tenner back.

OriginalSkang · Yesterday 15:43

I would let her sister lend her the money, without a doubt

Shmee1988 · Yesterday 15:43

YABVU! You should let your younger daughter lend her the money. You should then be the one to pay her back. You are right, its not your younger daughters responsibility to provide, its yours. If it were a huge amount of money that would be detrimental to you then thats different. But pay your younger daughter back £5 per week. Its a win win fir all of you. Your eldest gets to enjoy her trip, your youngest does something lovely and you can pay it back weekly so youre still the one paying for it. Sounds like a pride issue to me, dont punish your daughters.

Fyr · Yesterday 15:43

Are you able to up your hours?

Notquitethetruth · Yesterday 15:44

You have 2 wonderful daughters who clearly love and support each other. Please don't let this come between you and them. Let your younger daughter loan the money. She wants to do it. Make it clear it has to be repaid. Hope she has a wonderful trip.

Watchoutfortheslowaraf · Yesterday 15:44

Of course she will need some spends while there. Lend the £50 off dd2 (who seems like a really sweet girl btw) and then pay her back. Maybe you pay £25 back and dd1 the other £25. Does dd1 get pocket money she can use to pay back dd2?

BadTimesAtTheElRoyale · Yesterday 15:44

With me it wasn't so much school trips, I rarely went but weekly swimming with school and other kids would buy a hot dog and Slush Puppies afterwards. My lovely but very poor Mum would say to take a sandwich, I would rather have had nothing than bring out something from home. If you can prevent her feeling awful then you should do it.

Partingofthewaves · Yesterday 15:44

I’d check with the school to see if there is a hardship fund but I would let the younger daughter give her the money. It shows care and trust but older daughter must pay it back with maybe Christmas money as other people have suggested.

OneSunnyGreenTurtle · Yesterday 15:44

Thank you. I think I am going to email the school and see what they say. I hadn’t really thought about asking for help with the trip itself as I had already agreed to pay it and didn’t want to make a fuss.

She probably could have saved some money over the months but she spends any money she gets quite quickly. She doesn’t really have any other money apart from birthday and Christmas money. She has said she will pay her sister back when she gets her birthday money but that seems a long way off.

I could maybe manage £30 if I cut back on a few things but it would leave me short for the rest of the month. I know £15 won’t cover everything but I was hoping she could take some food with her and just buy a drink or something. I don’t want her to miss out but I also can’t afford money I haven’t got.

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TokyoSushi · Yesterday 15:45

Absolutely lovely of the little one to offer. If DD only has £15 and everybody else has £50 (which even then is a bit short for 3 days) then she’s going to be the odd one out/uncomfortable/embarrassed.

Could you borrow the money from your younger DD and try to get it paid back ASAP? I’m really sorry that things are so tricky.

Nat54321 · Yesterday 15:45

Your 10 year old is lovely.

Let her do it and make sure that she is paid back by your 14 year old.

And this will teach your 14 year old not to spend all her money, but to save it like her sister.

LarryForPrimeMinister · Yesterday 15:46

Op £15 is nothing. It won't cover the activity. Let her borrow it off your younger daughter, what an absolute star. My son is going to London next month for 3 days and is taking £200 with him that hes been saving up. You can't send her with nothing.

hadtherimeofthedaywrong · Yesterday 15:46

I’d let younger DD Lend the money - she feels good

older DD - is happy

you - get on Vinted tonight and sell what you can asap and reimburse younger DD and then older DD owes you the money out of her Christmas money