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To not let my younger daughter lend her sister the money for school trip?

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OneSunnyGreenTurtle · Yesterday 15:32

My 14 year old is going on a three day school trip to London next week. I have been paying for it in instalments since the beginning of the year and have finally managed to get the main cost paid. She is really looking forward to it and has been talking about it for months. But the school has now sent a message saying they need to bring money for food, drinks and an evening activity which isn’t included. Apparently most of the children are taking at least £50. My daughter says she will be the only one without it and is getting very upset about the whole thing.

I work part time in a supermarket and get Universal Credit. Money is tight at the moment and I honestly haven’t got £50 spare. I have told her I can give her £15 and pack some food for her, but she says her friends will all be buying things throughout the day and she will be embarrassed taking a packed lunch. She also says the evening activity is something they are all doing and she doesn’t want to sit in the hotel while everyone else goes. I do understand that she wants to fit in, but I have already paid for the trip itself and can’t just magic up another £50. I have said she needs to be grateful she is going at all, which probably wasn’t the most helpful thing to say.

My younger daughter is 10 and has been saving for a new phone. She has a little tin in her bedroom and has about £80 in it from birthdays, Christmas and money relatives have given her. She has been saving for ages and keeps looking at phones online. Anyway she overheard me and her sister talking about the trip and offered to lend her £30. She said she doesn’t mind and can save it up again, and that she wants her sister to have a nice time. She wasn’t being forced or anything, she came out with it herself. But I said no straight away and told her that her money was hers and she didn’t need to pay for her sister’s school trip.

This is where it has all kicked off really. My older daughter said that her sister had offered and I was being unfair by stopping her. She said she would pay her back when she gets her birthday money, although that isn’t until next year. I said that isn’t really the point and that a 10 year old shouldn’t be lending her savings to make up for what I can’t afford. She called me mean and said I was making her feel guilty for wanting to go on the trip. I know she is disappointed but I don’t think it is unreasonable to say no. I don’t want her thinking that because her sister has some savings, she can just use them whenever she wants something.

My younger daughter is now upset with me too. She keeps saying she offered because she wanted to and that I have made it into a big thing. She has even asked if she can give her sister the money without telling me, which obviously isn’t happening. The girls were getting on quite well before this but now they are arguing about it. My older one says her sister doesn’t mind and my younger one says I am stopping her doing something kind. I don’t want either of them feeling responsible for the other’s money problems, if that makes sense. But I also don’t want to make my eldest feel like she can’t have the same experiences as her friends.

The school has said they can bring packed lunches, and the evening activity is an extra thing they have arranged while they are in London. I don’t think the school has offered any financial help, although I haven’t actually asked them directly yet. I could email and explain the situation, but I feel embarrassed doing that after managing to pay the main trip cost. My daughter says everyone has been told to bring spending money and that the teachers won’t want to hear about it. I don’t know how much of that is actually true. She has also said she will just go without food rather than take what I pack, which is worrying me.

AIBU to refuse to let my younger daughter lend her sister the money? Should my older daughter just accept that she can’t have the extras and go with the £15 I can afford, or should I be asking the school about help? I don’t want to take the trip away from her because she has been looking forward to it, but I can’t afford to keep adding money to it. And I don’t think it is right for a 10 year old to feel she needs to help pay for her sister’s school trip, even if she has offered. What would you do?

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MyGallbladderIsAFucker · Yesterday 16:03

To me this sounds like an awesome life lesson.
If your daughter borrows £30 she should pay £35 - life lessons of paying interest, getting something for her investment etc a lesson in saving etc.
It's hard out there ATM OP don't be hard on yourself x

Monty36 · Yesterday 16:03

This sort of thing makes me cross. No family should be put in this position.
What on earth are the school thinking of. A three day school trip. Just as they have gone back to school no less.
Yes there are things to see in the Capital. I grew up near it and no school ever went away for three days to see bits of it.
Or more to the point, I think the schools then decided if they could not afford to do it they did not ask parents to find the money for it.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · Yesterday 16:03

Notquitethetruth · Yesterday 15:44

You have 2 wonderful daughters who clearly love and support each other. Please don't let this come between you and them. Let your younger daughter loan the money. She wants to do it. Make it clear it has to be repaid. Hope she has a wonderful trip.

I agree with @Notquitethetruth completely, @OneSunnyGreenTurtle.

MonkeyMaze101 · Yesterday 16:03

OneSunnyGreenTurtle · Yesterday 15:44

Thank you. I think I am going to email the school and see what they say. I hadn’t really thought about asking for help with the trip itself as I had already agreed to pay it and didn’t want to make a fuss.

She probably could have saved some money over the months but she spends any money she gets quite quickly. She doesn’t really have any other money apart from birthday and Christmas money. She has said she will pay her sister back when she gets her birthday money but that seems a long way off.

I could maybe manage £30 if I cut back on a few things but it would leave me short for the rest of the month. I know £15 won’t cover everything but I was hoping she could take some food with her and just buy a drink or something. I don’t want her to miss out but I also can’t afford money I haven’t got.

But you can afford to borrow £35 off your youngest and pay back at £5 - £10 a week.

Of course they will need spending money. Even if they didn't, your daughter would need a bit of money just in case of emergency.

Honestly, as difficult as it is, you just need to find a way. If she's gone 3 days then you can do a slightly smaller food shop that week, even if it's £5 less it's something. You could try to use a food bank that week either for things like cereal, beans etc.

If you don't want to borrow from your daughter, find a trusted family or friend member to borrow from. I'm not rich but I'd give to a friend or neighbour in this instance if I needed.

Abackupplan · Yesterday 16:04

Is she on Vinted? I bet she has some outgrown clothes and toys she can sell and give proceeds to sister to start repayment

WillieBanjo · Yesterday 16:04

MyGallbladderIsAFucker · Yesterday 16:03

To me this sounds like an awesome life lesson.
If your daughter borrows £30 she should pay £35 - life lessons of paying interest, getting something for her investment etc a lesson in saving etc.
It's hard out there ATM OP don't be hard on yourself x

This is also a brilliant idea

aberturret · Yesterday 16:04

Let younger daughter lend her sister the money.

Tell older her Christmas present budget will be reduced by £30, as you will be contributing that much to her sister’s phone fund.

See if you can get a couple of hours overtime if you can.

leavingonajetplane76 · Yesterday 16:05

Your elder daughter can pay her sister back from her pocket money or you can pay her back as her mum. It would be horrible fr your daughter not to be able to take part in activities or buy food. The money you would spend on buying enough food for 3 days (a it would be UPF crap to las that long) your daughter can have instead.

Instructions · Yesterday 16:05

I would do as others have advised and speak to the school to see if there is any support available

If not then I would let her sister give her the money and as suggested, take that out of whatever budget I had for her Xmas presents to repay her sister

I know it stings. But your elder daughter will really feel it on the trip if she goes without sufficient funds.

Ireallycantthinkofagoodone · Yesterday 16:06

@OneSunnyGreenTurtle - posters have offered some great solutions, but doesn’t your daughter get pocket money? Could she use that to part pay back to her sister, and you pay the rest?

takealettermsjones · Yesterday 16:06

aberturret · Yesterday 16:04

Let younger daughter lend her sister the money.

Tell older her Christmas present budget will be reduced by £30, as you will be contributing that much to her sister’s phone fund.

See if you can get a couple of hours overtime if you can.

So the 14yo is getting food for Christmas?

Doctordoolittle · Yesterday 16:06

OneSunnyGreenTurtle · Yesterday 15:32

My 14 year old is going on a three day school trip to London next week. I have been paying for it in instalments since the beginning of the year and have finally managed to get the main cost paid. She is really looking forward to it and has been talking about it for months. But the school has now sent a message saying they need to bring money for food, drinks and an evening activity which isn’t included. Apparently most of the children are taking at least £50. My daughter says she will be the only one without it and is getting very upset about the whole thing.

I work part time in a supermarket and get Universal Credit. Money is tight at the moment and I honestly haven’t got £50 spare. I have told her I can give her £15 and pack some food for her, but she says her friends will all be buying things throughout the day and she will be embarrassed taking a packed lunch. She also says the evening activity is something they are all doing and she doesn’t want to sit in the hotel while everyone else goes. I do understand that she wants to fit in, but I have already paid for the trip itself and can’t just magic up another £50. I have said she needs to be grateful she is going at all, which probably wasn’t the most helpful thing to say.

My younger daughter is 10 and has been saving for a new phone. She has a little tin in her bedroom and has about £80 in it from birthdays, Christmas and money relatives have given her. She has been saving for ages and keeps looking at phones online. Anyway she overheard me and her sister talking about the trip and offered to lend her £30. She said she doesn’t mind and can save it up again, and that she wants her sister to have a nice time. She wasn’t being forced or anything, she came out with it herself. But I said no straight away and told her that her money was hers and she didn’t need to pay for her sister’s school trip.

This is where it has all kicked off really. My older daughter said that her sister had offered and I was being unfair by stopping her. She said she would pay her back when she gets her birthday money, although that isn’t until next year. I said that isn’t really the point and that a 10 year old shouldn’t be lending her savings to make up for what I can’t afford. She called me mean and said I was making her feel guilty for wanting to go on the trip. I know she is disappointed but I don’t think it is unreasonable to say no. I don’t want her thinking that because her sister has some savings, she can just use them whenever she wants something.

My younger daughter is now upset with me too. She keeps saying she offered because she wanted to and that I have made it into a big thing. She has even asked if she can give her sister the money without telling me, which obviously isn’t happening. The girls were getting on quite well before this but now they are arguing about it. My older one says her sister doesn’t mind and my younger one says I am stopping her doing something kind. I don’t want either of them feeling responsible for the other’s money problems, if that makes sense. But I also don’t want to make my eldest feel like she can’t have the same experiences as her friends.

The school has said they can bring packed lunches, and the evening activity is an extra thing they have arranged while they are in London. I don’t think the school has offered any financial help, although I haven’t actually asked them directly yet. I could email and explain the situation, but I feel embarrassed doing that after managing to pay the main trip cost. My daughter says everyone has been told to bring spending money and that the teachers won’t want to hear about it. I don’t know how much of that is actually true. She has also said she will just go without food rather than take what I pack, which is worrying me.

AIBU to refuse to let my younger daughter lend her sister the money? Should my older daughter just accept that she can’t have the extras and go with the £15 I can afford, or should I be asking the school about help? I don’t want to take the trip away from her because she has been looking forward to it, but I can’t afford to keep adding money to it. And I don’t think it is right for a 10 year old to feel she needs to help pay for her sister’s school trip, even if she has offered. What would you do?

Said in kindness- the money problems are yours and it’s not their fault family finances are so tight.

It was predictable that spending money would be required for a three day trip, and I think it’s a good idea to check with the school if they have expectations or limits on what is allowed (I remember on our school trips they often stated a maximum allowed).

On this occasion given its short notice and your older DD has no opportunity to save before it I would allow it and ensure there is a strict repayment plan.

EmeraldShamrock000 · Yesterday 16:07

I would borrow from DD2 and pay it back over 3 weeks for DD1. It’s a huge experience for DD1. I was poor as a teenager and child, it’s miserable. I’m still skint but always try make sure the children don’t have to feel as I did.
I know I’ll be shot here but can you take on any cash in hand jobs? Cleaning? Child care? For extra cash.

watchingthishtread · Yesterday 16:07

OP, you didn't really think this through when you agreed to the trip. Realistically, you can't afford it. She was always going to need spending money. £5 a day in London for food and an activity isn't reasonable.

It's done now. You'll have to accept the offer of the loan and figure out between you who is going to pay it back and how.

Monty36 · Yesterday 16:08

I would ask the school what they are bloody well thinking of. Who decided a three day trip after school holidays was a good idea ?

How much help can they give to parents ? How much disposable income does the school think some parents have ?

Plenty will have it. But some will not. The school should put their hand in their pockets. They decided to have the excursion. They can help with costs. Perhaps the teachers can ? Give it was their idea.

EmeraldShamrock000 · Yesterday 16:09

Ireallycantthinkofagoodone · Yesterday 16:06

@OneSunnyGreenTurtle - posters have offered some great solutions, but doesn’t your daughter get pocket money? Could she use that to part pay back to her sister, and you pay the rest?

Probably not on a tight budget. A lot of kids don’t get pocket money.,

eleventybillionpillsisntenough · Yesterday 16:10

Wow. Let her lend the money. It’s an amazing demo of awareness of your 10yr old. Consideration and love and support is lovely.

if you are confident your eldest is able to repay it to her gracefully and without the prompt

let her help her older sister. Don’t ruin trip for sake of the spending money.

Monty36 · Yesterday 16:10

I would also want a clear and transparent picture of the costs and who is paying for the teachers to go ? I do hope they are, and students are not subsidising them ?
I wouldn’t assume anything.

SpecialShark · Yesterday 16:10

Why would you not allow your youngest daughter to lend the money? It gives them both the opportunity to learn something about responsibility.

LadyGAgain · Yesterday 16:10

You must be so very proud of your younger daughter. What a self less and lovely thing to do. You also sound lovely - hence you have lovely girls. It’s only natural for your elder to want to join in. You’ve undoubtably made sacrifices to send her which is a beautiful mum moment. Let her have the loan and have a great trip. Extra cuddles for your youngest.

eleventybillionpillsisntenough · Yesterday 16:11

Your youngest will feel amazing being able to help her sister I’m sure.

as long as she’s not been coerced and it doesn’t sound it

WildWindySeascape · Yesterday 16:11

OP, you should cut back and find a way to make sure your daughter has the money, even if it means you miss out for yourself over the next couple of months. This is your job as a parent. Can you increase your hours at the supermarket? Why are you working part time when things are so tight?

WildWindySeascape · Yesterday 16:11

Your youngest sounds really lovely and I would be proud of her for offering

CornerShoes · Yesterday 16:12

Abackupplan · Yesterday 15:55

Oh come on… she’s 14

life lesson 🙄

Edited

That was my thought at that ridiculous comment. A 14-year-old shouldn’t have to pay towards the school trip in my view.

saraclara · Yesterday 16:13

Notquitethetruth · Yesterday 15:44

You have 2 wonderful daughters who clearly love and support each other. Please don't let this come between you and them. Let your younger daughter loan the money. She wants to do it. Make it clear it has to be repaid. Hope she has a wonderful trip.

That. Your younger one wanted to do a kind thing for her sister, and responding as you did spoiled the moment for her.

I get that it hurts that you can't provide the money, and I imagine that that was what was behind your reaction. But please undo the upset that you caused. Tell your youngest that you're proud of how thoughtful and generous she has been in offering, and that you and her sister will make sure they the money is paid back.

One day it will be the eldest wanting to help her sister.

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