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To not let my younger daughter lend her sister the money for school trip?

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OneSunnyGreenTurtle · Yesterday 15:32

My 14 year old is going on a three day school trip to London next week. I have been paying for it in instalments since the beginning of the year and have finally managed to get the main cost paid. She is really looking forward to it and has been talking about it for months. But the school has now sent a message saying they need to bring money for food, drinks and an evening activity which isn’t included. Apparently most of the children are taking at least £50. My daughter says she will be the only one without it and is getting very upset about the whole thing.

I work part time in a supermarket and get Universal Credit. Money is tight at the moment and I honestly haven’t got £50 spare. I have told her I can give her £15 and pack some food for her, but she says her friends will all be buying things throughout the day and she will be embarrassed taking a packed lunch. She also says the evening activity is something they are all doing and she doesn’t want to sit in the hotel while everyone else goes. I do understand that she wants to fit in, but I have already paid for the trip itself and can’t just magic up another £50. I have said she needs to be grateful she is going at all, which probably wasn’t the most helpful thing to say.

My younger daughter is 10 and has been saving for a new phone. She has a little tin in her bedroom and has about £80 in it from birthdays, Christmas and money relatives have given her. She has been saving for ages and keeps looking at phones online. Anyway she overheard me and her sister talking about the trip and offered to lend her £30. She said she doesn’t mind and can save it up again, and that she wants her sister to have a nice time. She wasn’t being forced or anything, she came out with it herself. But I said no straight away and told her that her money was hers and she didn’t need to pay for her sister’s school trip.

This is where it has all kicked off really. My older daughter said that her sister had offered and I was being unfair by stopping her. She said she would pay her back when she gets her birthday money, although that isn’t until next year. I said that isn’t really the point and that a 10 year old shouldn’t be lending her savings to make up for what I can’t afford. She called me mean and said I was making her feel guilty for wanting to go on the trip. I know she is disappointed but I don’t think it is unreasonable to say no. I don’t want her thinking that because her sister has some savings, she can just use them whenever she wants something.

My younger daughter is now upset with me too. She keeps saying she offered because she wanted to and that I have made it into a big thing. She has even asked if she can give her sister the money without telling me, which obviously isn’t happening. The girls were getting on quite well before this but now they are arguing about it. My older one says her sister doesn’t mind and my younger one says I am stopping her doing something kind. I don’t want either of them feeling responsible for the other’s money problems, if that makes sense. But I also don’t want to make my eldest feel like she can’t have the same experiences as her friends.

The school has said they can bring packed lunches, and the evening activity is an extra thing they have arranged while they are in London. I don’t think the school has offered any financial help, although I haven’t actually asked them directly yet. I could email and explain the situation, but I feel embarrassed doing that after managing to pay the main trip cost. My daughter says everyone has been told to bring spending money and that the teachers won’t want to hear about it. I don’t know how much of that is actually true. She has also said she will just go without food rather than take what I pack, which is worrying me.

AIBU to refuse to let my younger daughter lend her sister the money? Should my older daughter just accept that she can’t have the extras and go with the £15 I can afford, or should I be asking the school about help? I don’t want to take the trip away from her because she has been looking forward to it, but I can’t afford to keep adding money to it. And I don’t think it is right for a 10 year old to feel she needs to help pay for her sister’s school trip, even if she has offered. What would you do?

OP posts:
CornerShoes · Yesterday 15:47

Do you have any other adults in your life that you can borrow money from? Definitely contact the School.

Hollowvoice · Yesterday 15:47

Talk to the school.
And also yes let your younger daughter lend the money if needs be. It's a loan, she is not taking financial responsibility for her sibling

Dollymylove · Yesterday 15:47

Yes let sister lend her the money. Dont make her be the only one sat alone while her friends are out on activities. Sister has been very generous to offer, and you should accept it

Sunbringer · Yesterday 15:48

Tell the school. They have funds for this kind of thing.

Equally I’d have let her lend the money. I lent my sister money a lot growing up. I always felt proud.

BCBird · Yesterday 15:49

The school should have made this clear. 50 pound won't go far. I would let her borrow the money and also pack snacks. It must be paid back from Christmas money.

Bunnyotter1896 · Yesterday 15:49

You borrow the money from younger sibling and pay it back when you can. Its hard things are so tight. But she cant go a three day trip to london with £15. Even £50 seems tight if she is to buy food/activity. Its not fair to send older dd without enough money for what she needs.

Whenisitsummer · Yesterday 15:49

I'd feel immensely proud of my youngest for considering her older sister in this way and offering to lend her money from her little pot of savings.
So id say yes and pay the youngest back myself each week/ month.

BCBird · Yesterday 15:50

Yes, particularly if your daughter is pupil premium the school may be able to.help.

sparrowhawkhere · Yesterday 15:50

Good luck with the school and your children sound lovely. Does your daughter get pocket money? Could she help pay her sister back? X

HorseandHeron · Yesterday 15:51

OP, I am sorry but you are being unreasonable. My parents weren't poor but they were unbelievably tight. I remember how embarrassing it was always to be the one without the right equipment or sufficient mony to just...be normal. When my little brother went away, DSis and I used to give him money we had earned from babysitting so he wouldn't be the odd one out.

You should be proud of your daughter being so generous - you have raised her to be kind in this way.

I'd apologise - say your reaction was out of order, and that of course she can lend her the money, and your older DD can then have a lovely time, and pay her back in installments for Christmas and her birthday. A 10 year old doesn't need a phone, so she can carry on saving up.

BTW, is there no hardship fund at school? Could you let them know you are finding it hard to give her that extra £50 on top of the original cost, as it wasn't mentioned.

BeRoseSloth · Yesterday 15:54

It seems your older daughter has made no contribution to this trip at all as she’s spent all her gifted money. I think your younger daughter should be allowed to lend the cash but the older one needs to pay her or you back as a life lesson.

jessycake · Yesterday 15:55

Is the any old things you can sell for a few pounds , I understand how you feel and living from hand to mouth means £50 seems a large sum to find but I would let her lend it and do your best to pay her back . Your 10 year old sounds lovely .

Abackupplan · Yesterday 15:55

BeRoseSloth · Yesterday 15:54

It seems your older daughter has made no contribution to this trip at all as she’s spent all her gifted money. I think your younger daughter should be allowed to lend the cash but the older one needs to pay her or you back as a life lesson.

Oh come on… she’s 14

life lesson 🙄

LarryForPrimeMinister · Yesterday 15:56

Also why did school wait to tell you they weren't feeding the kids till last second? Are they not covering any meals?

takealettermsjones · Yesterday 15:57

I agree with PPs; don't let embarrassment or pride spoil the trip or your daughters' relationship, which sounds really lovely. I think you should let the 10yo lend the money, then you keep saving at the rate you have been in order to pay her back. Thank the 10yo for her kindness and tell her you're proud of her.

Maybe when she's come back from her trip, you could discuss helping the 14yo get some part time work if she wants, so that she has access to her own money.

Abackupplan · Yesterday 15:57

LarryForPrimeMinister · Yesterday 15:56

Also why did school wait to tell you they weren't feeding the kids till last second? Are they not covering any meals?

This will be for sweet treats and snacks and drinks etc beyond the three meals the school will be providing either In Form of pack lunch or at the residential accommodation

Chunkybabythighs · Yesterday 15:58

How did noone predict that they would need spending money?

WearingBeautifulShoes · Yesterday 15:58

It's a real shame the school didn't make it clear in advance how much spending money they'd need. You definitely need to swallow your pride and contact the school ASAP to see if they have any hardship/ PTA funds that could help. If not, do what others have suggested and let your younger DD lend the money and you pay it back to her in installments.

Smartiepants79 · Yesterday 15:59

Your 10 year old has offered a kind and generous thing. Without being asked. Let her do this for her sister. Juts make sure she does , in fact get it back. A contract is a good idea.
Do they get any pocket money at all?? Can she pay it back a few £ a month?? At the end of day it’s her money, not yours.
I would definitely also speak to school and explain. Do your children receive pupil premium??

Smartiepants79 · Yesterday 16:00

Any grandparents that might be able to give her £5 or something??

Motheranddaughter · Yesterday 16:00

Can your eldest not pay back her sister from her pocket money/ allowance

AlexandraCarrington · Yesterday 16:01

Oh come on… she’s 14

And her sister, who has managed to save money, is ten. 14 is quite old enough to know that if you spend money as soon as you get it, it's not available for other things later.

Abackupplan · Yesterday 16:01

AlexandraCarrington · Yesterday 16:01

Oh come on… she’s 14

And her sister, who has managed to save money, is ten. 14 is quite old enough to know that if you spend money as soon as you get it, it's not available for other things later.

But no one knew about the extra cost until today!

Abackupplan · Yesterday 16:03

Motheranddaughter · Yesterday 16:00

Can your eldest not pay back her sister from her pocket money/ allowance

Exactly
or Christmas money

There’s a few option

I would probably pimp myself before setting my young teen off on a school trip knowing she was going to have to sit on the sidelines and not be able to join in with ice cream buying or whatever

WillieBanjo · Yesterday 16:03

Op your little on sounds adorable and kind. School do sound a bit unfair organising an activity that is extra so I don’t think it’s your bigger ones fault at all.

could DD1 not try and sell some unwanted things to pay her sister back before xmas ?

I would let her borrow the money and I’d try and turn it around into a great family leaning experience of looking out for each other and sticking together x

Hope DD1 has a good time and I wish I could send DD2 a tenner for her jar xx