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I should always be welcome in DP's home, regardless of who's there - AIBU?

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SecretsAndLies77 · Yesterday 09:24

I will try to not make this too long, but also not drip feed. Please help me distinguish reasonable actions from my own emotions because, to put it simply, everything's at stake.

Been with DP for 4 years and, on the whole, it's a very loving relationship. He's good to me and my kids, fun to be around, reliable and helpful, contributes financially to my household. We don't live together but spend much (most) of the week at each other's homes (although more mine than his), as well as every weekend and holidays.

At the same time, it's been a turbulent relationship (I know that sounds odd after what I've just said, but it can be both good and turbulent, as it's about very defined areas of problems, i.e. one problem = his adult daughters). I have a good relationship with his youngest DD (early 20s) who lives with him, but his eldest (30) who lives away doesn't want to have anything to do with me. At times she's been really rude to me and various members of my family. Most recent example is a message she sent where she was incredibly rude and disrespectful (before blocking me, so I couldn't even respond - a coward's move, IMO). My DP did reprimand her, sort of, via text and heavily prompted by me, which I hate as I don't think it's my job to stand up for this relationship and my dignity, but his. I think left to his own devices he would just always avoid all conflict. He is very scared she will cut him out of his life.

I feel I've come to the end with being able to accept that he doesn't stand up for me of his own free will, and that when he sees her he doesn't feel a shred of annoyance, resentment or anger about the awful ways she's behaved. I understand we all love our children, and I understand he's scared of losing her. I'm not even saying that he should necessarily show her that he's upset about her bad behaviour, but simply that he should feel something for me, the way she's treated me (in other words, show ME - show some kind of outrage, empathy, solidarity). If someone mistreated my DP, even if it was my kids, I'd be pretty livid. I know people are different, and I know men and women can be very different in their emotional processing. But still. How can it be true that he loves me, but that he doesn't feel anything when someone repeatedly hurts me?

The other thing is that, when she comes to stay at his, although at all other times I'm (more than) welcome in his house, there's an expectation that I won't come while she's there. Now, I get that it's her former home, she still has a room there. But, at all other times, I have complete access to his house, not just that but he's even repeatedly hosted friends of mine for long weekends (because the house is big and has spare rooms and bathrooms), but when his daughter is there, the quiet understanding is that I'm not welcome. But, just as an example, we're spending Xmas at mine this year and he of course invited her too. I knew she would say no, but that's not the point. So, she's meant to be always welcome in my house, but I'm not only not welcome at family events, but also my own partner's house when she's there? It strikes me as very unfair and unreasonable.

I've been living with this for a while, and this morning I woke up and thought, I don't know if I love him any more. This has seriously eroded my feelings for him. It's a huge shame, as four years is a lot of time together and he's amazing in many ways and I love(d) him possibly more than any other man before him, including my ex husband. But this continued unfairness and indignity has eaten away at the core of our connection.

YABU - this is a reasonable compromise in a complicated family dynamic because parents will always put their children first, even when they're nearly 30, and most women would find a way to live with this, even if it hurts them

YANBU - this is a major breach of love and loyalty towards me on his side, and if he's not prepared to let her know that his home is always open to me, I should walk away even after 4 years together.

Can I just say (if you're read this far), if you're not divorced and in a relationship with a man who's got adult kids, you won't have any kind of realistic perspective on a situation of this kind. I'm looking for some thoughtful and considered responses based in first hand experience of these kinds of dynamics - thank you (and I'll disregard any responses that are rude or unkind, as often I see "pile ons" when it comes to these kinds of questions)

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caffelattetogo · Yesterday 09:30

Sounds as if you’d be better apart.

WolfFoxHare · Yesterday 09:32

Honestly while I don't think you're wrong to feel upset about it, he's always going to put his kids first, even when they're adults. He should be trying his best to bring her round - and presumably that's why he's invited her to yours for Christmas - and it doesn't sound like she's behaving very well at all - but he's still always going to prioritise her. Which is how it should be, in my opinion. So now you need to decide if you can continue to be with him on those terms.

2chocolateoranges · Yesterday 09:34

He has respected you by speaking to his daughter when she upset you, it’s now your turn to respect that she doesn’t want anything to do with you and if she is visiting her dad then you stay away.

if you can’t accept that then it’s time to end the relationship. Your relationship doesn’t trump his and his daughters relationship, children always come first.

hotmumshit · Yesterday 09:36

Well, why does she hate you? Did you cause her parents to split up? Did she know you growing up?

SecretsAndLies77 · Yesterday 09:36

2chocolateoranges · Yesterday 09:34

He has respected you by speaking to his daughter when she upset you, it’s now your turn to respect that she doesn’t want anything to do with you and if she is visiting her dad then you stay away.

if you can’t accept that then it’s time to end the relationship. Your relationship doesn’t trump his and his daughters relationship, children always come first.

And this is exactly why I said that I'm interested in comments only from people who've been in this situation, not first wives... Thank you for your input.

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saveforthat · Yesterday 09:37

I was in a similar situation once. The children always come first no matter how rude they may be. You say there is a "quiet understanding" that you are not welcome when she is there. Have you tried just turning up? his reaction will tell you what you need to know.

AllWasWell · Yesterday 09:37

How often does she come to visit? Unless it’s weekly I don’t think it’s unreasonable to want time with her dad and siblings without you just being able to come and go as you please. It would be different if you live together. He is prioritising his relationship with his daughter and this is unfortunately the right thing to do

SecretsAndLies77 · Yesterday 09:37

hotmumshit · Yesterday 09:36

Well, why does she hate you? Did you cause her parents to split up? Did she know you growing up?

No they were divorced years before I met him. Why? Who knows. One loves me, one hates me - there isn't always a reason for the way people feel about us, sometimes it's simply about them.

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SecretsAndLies77 · Yesterday 09:39

saveforthat · Yesterday 09:37

I was in a similar situation once. The children always come first no matter how rude they may be. You say there is a "quiet understanding" that you are not welcome when she is there. Have you tried just turning up? his reaction will tell you what you need to know.

We have discussed what would happen if I just turned up. While he didn't say that I couldn't, he did say she'd probably walk out. I was quite flabberghasted at such a crazy overreaction. This is from a woman I've seen maybe 6-7 times in the whole four years, and never said a cross word to. As the proverb goes, "you can't reason a man out of something he wasn't reasoned into"

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LarryForPrimeMinister · Yesterday 09:39

Quite simple. His kids come first. Just don't go when she is there? You don't live together so no you don't have 24/7 unlimited access.

SecretsAndLies77 · Yesterday 09:40

LarryForPrimeMinister · Yesterday 09:39

Quite simple. His kids come first. Just don't go when she is there? You don't live together so no you don't have 24/7 unlimited access.

but I do - this is the thing - I have a key

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TheHateIsNotGood · Yesterday 09:40

Perhaps the issue is that your DP contributes financially to your household? She might be viewing you as a bit of a 'gold digger'. She's nearly 30 so probably not as naive as the younger one.

LarryForPrimeMinister · Yesterday 09:41

SecretsAndLies77 · Yesterday 09:40

but I do - this is the thing - I have a key

But he is telling you you do not have 24/7 access! I have a key for my parents house I still wouldn't wonder in any time I felt like. Its rude.

MsSquiz · Yesterday 09:42

First off, you can’t dictate who responds to your post. You have no idea whether people are first wives, second wives, single, married, parents or step parents!

you’re clearly going to say everyone who disagrees with you is a “first wife”

if you don’t want his daughter to be invited to your house - tell him
if you believe you should be allowed to go to his house when she is there - tell him.

what you see as “unfair” is him putting his daughter’s feelings first, as is his right as her parent.

it is also your right to not be happy about it and change it!

Mischance · Yesterday 09:42

Why would you want to be there when there is someone there you do not get on with? What would be the point of that? It would create a bad atmosphere and spoil the visit for your partner.

MsSquiz · Yesterday 09:43

SecretsAndLies77 · Yesterday 09:40

but I do - this is the thing - I have a key

Also, just because you have a key, does not mean you are granted unlimited access 24/7!

Octavia64 · Yesterday 09:43

I’m divorced and I have adult kids.

i’m not in a relationship but if I was my kids would come first.

she doesn’t like you. It happens. People don’t get on. I wouldn’t prioritise any new partner ahead of my adult kids.

he’s being very reasonable.

Mischance · Yesterday 09:44

I think you have to just accept that your partner's DD resents you. I am sure that there are lots of deep-seated reasons for this that are not personal to you. Just don't go there when she is there. Ask your partner to let you know when she is there.

FannybygaslightinGovan · Yesterday 09:44

SecretsAndLies77 · Yesterday 09:36

And this is exactly why I said that I'm interested in comments only from people who've been in this situation, not first wives... Thank you for your input.

I can see why his daughter doesn't like you.

Barney16 · Yesterday 09:45

I was in your situation but in reverse. My adult children didn't particularly like my partner. Honestly, I favoured my children and he just put up with it. They ( my children) did come to our house when we were both there, not particularly frequently, and I always asked for politeness, which everyone managed. Generally I spent a lot of time with them at their houses, holidays, days out. When he worked away they spent a lot of time with me at my house. I don't know why they didn't like him, they just said he wasn't their dad and they didn't know him. When my partner and I spoke about it, he just said well I'm not their dad.

Missj25 · Yesterday 09:45

Morning OP .

Is there a back ground story here, did he leave her mother for you ? .
I don’t think i would throw away a what you say , is a very good relationship otherwise .
He just not want to risk his relationship with his daughter , I’m sure that sucks for you , but I feel sorry for him being honest .
I’m sure he hates it’s like this , but his daughter appears to be hard work .
I mean how often is she around ? .
It is manageable to maintain a relationship with your partner without being involved with his daughter .

LarryForPrimeMinister · Yesterday 09:46

FannybygaslightinGovan · Yesterday 09:44

I can see why his daughter doesn't like you.

Yep clocked on to what a demanding drama queen op is. If my parents had a partner who didn't live with them but thought it was their god given right to walk in whenever they wanted after being told by my parent they cannot I would be throwing them out. She's being very patient.

AshaK · Yesterday 09:46

SecretsAndLies77 · Yesterday 09:36

And this is exactly why I said that I'm interested in comments only from people who've been in this situation, not first wives... Thank you for your input.

As a “second wife” I agree with PP.

If he’s choosing Christmas with you over her, and you have a key to his house, he does care about you. Don’t make it you vs her because you’ll lose.

That said, you’re welcome to end any relationship you no longer enjoy.

pictoosh · Yesterday 09:47

I think that real relationships don't follow a set pattern and that each one has its challenges. Few circumstances in life occur according to what's fair, neither do they end up neatly concluded. Everything is a compromise and what compromises we're willing to make depends on the individual concerned.

pidgeonfood · Yesterday 09:47

I’m a bit surprised that all of the responses saying that you’re unreasonable. I’d agree that kids have to come first, especially if they were minors What about if OP wanted to eventually get married to this guy, or move in would it work then? It doesn’t sound like there are any ways that this would really work then, so in my mind, surely this would have to change eventually? Also the child is now a grown up and surely can’t really expect her Dad to not have a live in partner ever again?? Would be interested to hear others’ views on that point

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