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AIBU to refuse a tenant's vulnerable guest staying in my HMO?

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Poster555 · 12/09/2026 08:48

NC for this. I know landlords aren’t always popular here.

I own and manage a few HMO’s in a nearby city. All legal requirements fulfilled, and normally have long term tenants.

I woke this morning to a host of missed calls.
One of the tenants, who has been fine for several years, invited his friend/ relative to stay for a temporary period as she was having issues with her landlord.
He did not discuss this with me or the other tenants.

Tenants are of course allowed visitors, including overnight for a day or two ( longer if they are visiting from abroad, etc. it’s pretty flexible).
The Tenancy Agreement is very clear that visitors visit the person, and they should never be left unsupervised in the property or given a key.

Around 6 weeks ago I was at the property for a routine treatment. The visitor was there alone. I had to ask her to leave as harmful chemicals were being used.

I had a chat with the tenant later and he explained it was a one off emergency.

It later transpired after complaints from other tenants and some unexplained damage that she was living in the property.

That was a problem. She had no primary address elsewhere and her presence took the property into the next level of HMO, meaning it needed to be registered.
The penalties for not registering when required are severe.

I told the tenant he needed to tell her to leave.

He did so and was met with a lot of resistance, but eventually she went, only to return in the early hours some days later. He felt he had to let her in.

He asked for my help to get her to leave. She refused, saying the council had told her that I’d have to get a court order to evict her.

Legal advice was that he invited her in and once he told her she was no longer welcome we could change locks when she was out.

She actually went out without a key and whilst she was gone he put her belongings in a locked shed outside, offering to open it when she needed.

That was about a week ago. I thought it was sorted. The calls in the early hours were from my tenant and the police asking if I would agree to her staying the night.

I would have said no and fortunately as they couldn’t reach me she was not allowed in.

This woman clearly has problems. I’d say she is vulnerable, but the same council that was advising her not to leave my property, whilst refusing any sort of practical assistance, would also be the ones taking action against me for running an unlicensed HMO.

The tenant is being bullied by so called friends to let her stay. He is under a lot of pressure but I’ve had to tell him that if he lets her stay I will have to take steps to evict him.

I have told him that I will speak to any official bodies that are trying to pressure him, and to the ‘friends’
I wasn’t expecting to speak to the police at 2-3 am though. Apparently they weren’t happy with me and thought the tenant should be able to take her in.

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TheSunBeatsDown · 12/09/2026 11:43

I am a landlord and I would not allow the person to enter the property.

The reason housing and the police want her to enter is probably because she's said she is living there and so the legal responsibility to house her goes away.

I wouldn't allow this for her benefit.

The other tenants will object, she's coming in at 2/3am which suggests all kinds of issues and the person renting doesn't want her there either.

I've seen a cuckooing situation before where one unstably housed person was 'pressured' by others to take in some other people who just started sleeping in the lounge, they turned out to be drug dealers in town for a few weeks.

Just because she's a woman doesn't mean she is not a drug dealer or has other issues which will not be contained in your property and require the housing authorities and social services to step up and help her (they will try to run away or dump her on you).

It's very sad, but presumably others in the house have the right to peace and quiet and not to be woken up at 2/3am by this type of thing.

I'd protect the existing tenant first, they are the ones you have a contract with.

It's rarely a question of needy person vs not needy person, they will all be vulnerable in different ways and you need to follow the law and help them seek housing within the system, them sleeping on a sofa does not do that, otherwise they would have sorted it these past few weeks when they were unofficially there.

GroundCloves · 12/09/2026 11:44

In terms of throwing a vulnerable woman out - the council won’t bother to help her unless she is properly homeless. Throwing her out may well be what is necessary for her to be housed by the council

dustabsorber · 12/09/2026 11:45

Addicts need to be left to hit rock bottom.

MaggieMop · 12/09/2026 11:48

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IronEverything · 12/09/2026 11:49

Thank god you posted OP. If you hadn't then @VointofPiew would have never reached out to house this woman for you and solve all your problems.

Has she already PMed you her address?

MaggieMop · 12/09/2026 11:50

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Poster555 · 12/09/2026 11:51

IronEverything · 12/09/2026 11:49

Thank god you posted OP. If you hadn't then @VointofPiew would have never reached out to house this woman for you and solve all your problems.

Has she already PMed you her address?

Sadly not yet.

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MaggieMop · 12/09/2026 11:52

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VointofPiew · 12/09/2026 11:53

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"One of the tenants, who has been fine for several years, invited his friend/ relative to stay for a temporary period as she was having issues with her landlord."

She isnt a stranger either.

dustabsorber · 12/09/2026 11:53

Imagine what a lefty labour / green alliance would be like.

VointofPiew · 12/09/2026 11:54

Poster555 · 12/09/2026 11:51

Sadly not yet.

Have you spoken to the council?;

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VointofPiew · 12/09/2026 11:55

shockmethen · 12/09/2026 11:37

Pretty sure you’d care about the law when you are charged and slapped with a hefty fine of thousands.

No, I'd just work with the council to get the woman legally housed. Either by me or someone else.

VointofPiew · 12/09/2026 11:56

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I can advise the OP what to do based on similar things I have done if she wants to help.

Pumpkindice · 12/09/2026 11:56

shockmethen · 12/09/2026 11:35

Can you though? You can’t with squatters can you?

It's the same as if she was drunk and turned up to your house and expected to stay. She's a guest, who was asked to leave, nothing more.

VointofPiew · 12/09/2026 11:57

GroundCloves · 12/09/2026 11:35

You mean you ignore the concerns of most of your tenants and expect them to not get what they have paid for, for them to incur expenses due to damage and expect them to live in an illegal HMO?

Tenants are usually fine with the idea they can have visitors and help people they know with less than them.

Poster555 · 12/09/2026 11:57

VointofPiew · 12/09/2026 11:53

"One of the tenants, who has been fine for several years, invited his friend/ relative to stay for a temporary period as she was having issues with her landlord."

She isnt a stranger either.

She’s a stranger to me and the other tenants.

I do all of my due diligence checks for tenants. I know almost nothing about this woman. For all I know she doesn’t even have a current right to raise in the UK - which is another potential fine.

It’s not like letting a known person into your own home.

It’s completely different as a landlord as we are already known to the council, and it’s the other tenants who will be inconvenienced.

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stillhiding1990 · 12/09/2026 11:57

@VointofPiewwhat about when you get fined for breaching fire safety regulations?

Cyclingmummy1 · 12/09/2026 11:58

From recent experience, one council dept doesn't know what the others are doing so yes, selective licensing would be down on you like a ton of bricks whilst adult SC encourages friends to 'help out' a vulnerable woman.

Pumpkindice · 12/09/2026 11:59

VointofPiew · 12/09/2026 11:55

No, I'd just work with the council to get the woman legally housed. Either by me or someone else.

She can't get legally housed from what the OP said - no recourse to public funds due to no visa means no charity, hostel, or council can help her. She's reliant on her own funds (seems she has none) or family to stay here. Hence pressuring the OPs tenant.
It's a horrible situation but ultimately if you're in a foreign country and have no way of making it work, and no legal right to stay (eg you're not claiming asylum because your home country is dangerous) you have to move home and make a plan B.

rainbowunicorn · 12/09/2026 11:59

MelonSorbet · 12/09/2026 08:59

You sound very over-involved and I find it hard to believe that one long term guest would trigger a change in HMO status.

A quick Google before you jumped in with your opinion would have told you that a change of one person can indeed trigger a change a status. OP does not sound over involved, she sounds like she is a decent landlord who is making sure she follows the correct law.

Somethinggg · 12/09/2026 11:59

VointofPiew · 12/09/2026 11:55

No, I'd just work with the council to get the woman legally housed. Either by me or someone else.

OP has said she doesn't have the immigration status needed in order to qualify for assistance from the council, and may not even have the legal right to reside in the UK.

VointofPiew · 12/09/2026 11:59

shockmethen · 12/09/2026 11:34

Even if it means you will be deemed to have broken the law and will be charged and incur significant penalties? I very much doubt you would

Yes. I'd work with the council to legally house the woman where she is best off. They are unlikely to fine you if you are doing that. What would they say in court when you show all the documentation of your conversations with the housing officers assigned to her case etc? That's why I'd contact the council ASAP and work with them.

Poster555 · 12/09/2026 12:00

VointofPiew · 12/09/2026 11:54

Have you spoken to the council?;

I haven’t spoken to the council, although I will explain the situation if they contact me.

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VointofPiew · 12/09/2026 11:59

Yes. I'd work with the council to legally house the woman where she is best off. They are unlikely to fine you if you are doing that. What would they say in court when you show all the documentation of your conversations with the housing officers assigned to her case etc? That's why I'd contact the council ASAP and work with them.

She has no recourse to public funds, if the council housed her they'd be breaking the law!