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thevoiceofreasoning · 09/08/2026 16:50

I have recently had surgery and I am pretty immobile … just about get around on crutches indoors. Friends (m and f married couple with 10 year old daughter) wanted to visit me at my home. I’m not really up to guests to be honest but they more or less invited themselves. I agreed and they said they would arrive around 11am and stay until about 3pm (they live a couple of hours drive away from me). Since this timing clearly spanned over lunchtime I thought it was only fair to warn them I wasn’t really up to making a meal for them, which is something I usually always do when they visit a few times a year. The wife says oh that’s not a problem we will bring something with us. i thought oh that will be nice … a bit of company and something nice to eat brought in!
Well they all arrived carrying big cool bag and busied themselves putting things in my fridge etc. We chatted for a while and then wife stood up and said she would fix lunch… checking with me where I kept my plates etc. whilst I remained sat in the lounge. When everything is plated … individual pots of salad, wrapped up sandwiches etc. kind of picnic style and she announced it was ready, I suddenly realised that she had only put out 3 plates for them and had not included me! She then turned and said ‘Oh are you going to make yourself something and join us?”
I was so shocked I just mumbled oh I will make myself some toast. And then sat there with them eating a couple of slices of toast whilst they had their individually plated picnic goodies! The funny thing is I truly believe they thought they were being considerate bringing their own food so I didn’t have to bother cooking.
I can sort of laugh about it but I am also gobsmacked they could think that was ok! However, now looking back I guess I did make an assumption that they would bring something for me to eat too. AIBU? Love to hear people’s thoughts on this!

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QuizNight · 11/08/2026 13:25

aloris · 11/08/2026 13:17

She did drive 2 hours each way to see you, and you say that you never visit her. So maybe she sees the drive as the gift, if you see what I mean. Gas, effort, the stress of dealing with motorways, and so on. At the same time, you usually cook for her and her family when she visits, at your own expense.

To me, this incident gives the impression that she thinks she has generously graced you with her presence and generously allowed you to host her without doing any of your normal host "duties." She perhaps feels quite chuffed that she gave you some company with almost no effort on your part.

I think her social deficit here is not understanding that visiting a person who is ill, a person who has just had surgery, or a person who has just had a baby, is a different set of etiquette. When you are visiting such a person, you bring help. You do not burden them in any way. Leaving your dirty dishes by the sink for her to clean up (on! crutches!) is a faux pas. Bringing lunch for yourself but not for the ill person, especially when you have invited yourself and essentially done so over her protestations, is rude. Don't invite yourself to an ill person's house without bringing something to make their life better. Definitely don't make their life harder.

I also agree with the person upthread who speculated that when you said she is "sensitive" what she really is, is self-centered.

I completely agree with all this. I think the phrase that goes something like ‘never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity’ is relevant here. Some people have invented all sorts of scenarios in their head about how the friend wanted revenge and set out specifically to upset the op through calculated sandwich making. I think she’s just thick.

EvieBB · 11/08/2026 13:27

thevoiceofreasoning · 11/08/2026 11:35

Thank you. Yes that is the bit that got me … the fact that it was all wrapped up and she’d made different sandwiches to catering for their individual preferences. They were wrapped in tin foil so you couldn’t see what was what immediately … so she was unwrapping each thing and looking saying ‘oh that one’s mine and that’s one DD’s” etc. I honestly don’t think she was deliberately mean but her level of unawareness quite shocked me! We have had countless meals together over the years and I’ve cooked for them on many occasions so she knows my tastes and likes and dislikes quite well … it really wouldn’t have taken much for her to make me up a tuna and cucumber sandwich … but she didn’t think and she didn’t realise her thoughtless behaviour when in situ … they all just acted like it was a perfectly reasonable thing to do.

It's just bloody unbelievable. I can't believe the poster who said you were mean for starting this thread owing to the fact that your "friend" might be autistic.....but surely one of 3 wasn't autistic and could see how totally bonkers and rude this was. I'm cringing with second hand embarrassment for them. Surely even an autistic person can see this is a total no-no?

Gengha · 11/08/2026 13:29

EvieBB · 11/08/2026 13:27

It's just bloody unbelievable. I can't believe the poster who said you were mean for starting this thread owing to the fact that your "friend" might be autistic.....but surely one of 3 wasn't autistic and could see how totally bonkers and rude this was. I'm cringing with second hand embarrassment for them. Surely even an autistic person can see this is a total no-no?

Agreed, my son is autistic and only 17 and he wouldn’t do this

EvieBB · 11/08/2026 13:31

Gengha · 11/08/2026 13:29

Agreed, my son is autistic and only 17 and he wouldn’t do this

That's good to know....thanks for sharing :)

BoundaryGirl3939 · 11/08/2026 13:31

Some people on this thread have commented that she was good enough to travel and visit you but beware....some people only visit because it suits them. They are dead bored and can't entertain themselves.

I dealt with an energy vampire who used to call by...drain me of my energy, be nosy/ask a million questions, and eat anything in sight.

weaselyeyes · 11/08/2026 13:34

Obviously it's all baffling, even if they had somehow got it into their heads that they were just saving you trouble by bringing their own lunch and didn't consider bringing more to share. I have sometimes felt wrongfooted about when you're meant to bring something and when not (though never in a situation like this!). But I can't understand why, when they saw you didn't in fact have your own lunch ready, that they didn't then offer to share or at the very least offer to get you something, even if it was to get you your own food. How on earth could they not even ask if they could make your toast for you?

weaselyeyes · 11/08/2026 13:34

Obviously it's all baffling, even if they had somehow got it into their heads that they were just saving you trouble by bringing their own lunch and didn't consider bringing more to share. I have sometimes felt wrongfooted about when you're meant to bring something and when not (though never in a situation like this!). But I can't understand why, when they saw you didn't in fact have your own lunch ready, that they didn't then offer to share or at the very least offer to get you something, even if it was to get you your own food. How on earth could they not even ask if they could make your toast for you?

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 11/08/2026 13:57

thevoiceofreasoning · 11/08/2026 13:16

Well that is why I told her in advance what the situation would be … I warned her I wouldn’t be much company and that I wouldn’t be able to provide lunch but she insisted they still wanted to visit me! I may have suggested we could get a take out but she jumped in straight away with “no problem I will bring something” Whichever way I cut it, it really doesn’t make any sense to me … if she was only coming for a free lunch she could have easily said on the phone “oh it doesn’t sound like you are ready for visitors” and would have been absolutely ok with that. I really don’t think they made the drive to deliberately taunt me with their picnic food but that is basically what they did!

Yes I agree... it wasn't a conscious plan to taunt you with the picnic food... and yet...it felt to me like she thought you hadn't delivered what she saw as your part of the bargain and so she was sticking closely to the terms of the new agreement.
The individual packaging just seems a bit pre meditated.

I don't know why but this has really struck a chord with me in dealings with extended family

thevoiceofreasoning · 11/08/2026 13:57

QuizNight · 11/08/2026 13:25

I completely agree with all this. I think the phrase that goes something like ‘never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity’ is relevant here. Some people have invented all sorts of scenarios in their head about how the friend wanted revenge and set out specifically to upset the op through calculated sandwich making. I think she’s just thick.

This made me lol! I’ve not heard that expression before but I think it fits the bill nicely! I certainly would not describe her as a malicious person and I didn’t think she was thick before this incident… but now I am thinking that is the only logical thing to explain her behaviour! But you’d have thought hubby would have questioned why they are not taking anything for the host … I know some men just leave things like this to the wife … but my partner would have absolutely questioned why I wasn’t making lunch for all of us…

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Wadsworthy · 11/08/2026 14:08

And I suspect she thought she was doing @thevoiceofreasoning a HUGE favour by visiting:

"Oh, @thevoiceofreasoning must be lonely, all that recovering by herself. She's sure to enjoy us visiting. We'll cheer her up."

Their presence was your present, OP. Grin

thevoiceofreasoning · 11/08/2026 14:17

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 11/08/2026 13:57

Yes I agree... it wasn't a conscious plan to taunt you with the picnic food... and yet...it felt to me like she thought you hadn't delivered what she saw as your part of the bargain and so she was sticking closely to the terms of the new agreement.
The individual packaging just seems a bit pre meditated.

I don't know why but this has really struck a chord with me in dealings with extended family

Edited

If there was a ‘care’ reaction I’d have put it! I know exactly what you mean! Some of the issues people have brought up have made me reflect on a few things … not just this incident but people in general and how they sometimes treat and interact with you. When you look at the people in your life it can really make you wonder why you tolerate certain behaviours ..

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thevoiceofreasoning · 11/08/2026 14:26

EvieBB · 11/08/2026 13:27

It's just bloody unbelievable. I can't believe the poster who said you were mean for starting this thread owing to the fact that your "friend" might be autistic.....but surely one of 3 wasn't autistic and could see how totally bonkers and rude this was. I'm cringing with second hand embarrassment for them. Surely even an autistic person can see this is a total no-no?

I know! Calling me mean for starting the thread is more offensive than the “friend” that didn’t bring lunch! Lol

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Neuronimo · 11/08/2026 14:56

I haven't read the whole thread, I have mentioned that I may have similarly got the wrong end of the stick (from the semantics) being autistic, so hopefully it wasn't my post that people are interpreting as suggesting that the friend might be autistic. Given the follow up post from OP, it certainly does sound as if the friend was fully in the picture, which I didn't pick up from the original post. She certainly didn't pick up on the cues that it was a bad time to visit in the first instance.

Please excuse my social ineptitude OP 😏

GoodLife26 · 11/08/2026 15:01

This sounds like the type of thing my brother and wife would do. It’s not meant maliciously, they are just tactless. They would be mortified if they realised they had offended someone. I’d give your friends the benefit of the doubt.

thevoiceofreasoning · 11/08/2026 15:10

Neuronimo · 11/08/2026 14:56

I haven't read the whole thread, I have mentioned that I may have similarly got the wrong end of the stick (from the semantics) being autistic, so hopefully it wasn't my post that people are interpreting as suggesting that the friend might be autistic. Given the follow up post from OP, it certainly does sound as if the friend was fully in the picture, which I didn't pick up from the original post. She certainly didn't pick up on the cues that it was a bad time to visit in the first instance.

Please excuse my social ineptitude OP 😏

Oh really no need for apologies! I posted the story to invite comments and different view points! I can get why some have said she may be autistic in the sense she took my comment about not providing lunch quite literally and interpreted it as she must bring her own lunch! But this isn’t the case in this instance … if she was autistic I wouldn’t have been as shocked at her actions and probably would have clarified with her what she meant by “I will bring something”. It didn’t occur to me to ask for clarification as the way the conservation went I absolutely perceived her comment to mean she would bring lunch for us all as that as what I believe most friends would automatically do in these circumstances!

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thevoiceofreasoning · 11/08/2026 15:22

GoodLife26 · 11/08/2026 15:01

This sounds like the type of thing my brother and wife would do. It’s not meant maliciously, they are just tactless. They would be mortified if they realised they had offended someone. I’d give your friends the benefit of the doubt.

Yes I really don’t think it was malicious … but still very bad form! I’m not so entitled that I expect anyone visiting to bring me lunch … I would have been fine if they just hadn’t brought anything and then I would have probably suggested we get a take out or send her hubby to my local supermarket (2 mins walk from me) and chose some sandwiches/snacks for us all and given him the money to pay! But to say she will bring something and then exclude me is really alien to me… I am not going to hold a grudge over it or anything but I am going to distance myself from people who think that is ok.

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disturbia · 11/08/2026 15:30

thevoiceofreasoning · 11/08/2026 15:22

Yes I really don’t think it was malicious … but still very bad form! I’m not so entitled that I expect anyone visiting to bring me lunch … I would have been fine if they just hadn’t brought anything and then I would have probably suggested we get a take out or send her hubby to my local supermarket (2 mins walk from me) and chose some sandwiches/snacks for us all and given him the money to pay! But to say she will bring something and then exclude me is really alien to me… I am not going to hold a grudge over it or anything but I am going to distance myself from people who think that is ok.

Good for you OP I agree with you. Your now ex-friends are either extremely rude, mean as hell or mad. Were you tempted to say "what sandwich have you made for me?"

Bigcat25 · 11/08/2026 15:37

LancashireButterPie · 11/08/2026 08:29

Absolutely this.

They clearly like you well enough to make the effort (and pay petrol!) to drive 2 hours to see you and 2 hours home. I wouldn't drive for 4 hours with a 10 year old in tow unless it was someone very close to me.

Honestly OP, I think you are a bit mean to start a gleeful thread on MN about them.

Of course in their situation I'd have brought flowers, and lunch but my DD (who is Autistic) wouldn't have picked up on that expectation unless I'd told her.

I don't think op is being either mean or gleeful.

suburburban · 11/08/2026 15:39

aloris · 11/08/2026 13:17

She did drive 2 hours each way to see you, and you say that you never visit her. So maybe she sees the drive as the gift, if you see what I mean. Gas, effort, the stress of dealing with motorways, and so on. At the same time, you usually cook for her and her family when she visits, at your own expense.

To me, this incident gives the impression that she thinks she has generously graced you with her presence and generously allowed you to host her without doing any of your normal host "duties." She perhaps feels quite chuffed that she gave you some company with almost no effort on your part.

I think her social deficit here is not understanding that visiting a person who is ill, a person who has just had surgery, or a person who has just had a baby, is a different set of etiquette. When you are visiting such a person, you bring help. You do not burden them in any way. Leaving your dirty dishes by the sink for her to clean up (on! crutches!) is a faux pas. Bringing lunch for yourself but not for the ill person, especially when you have invited yourself and essentially done so over her protestations, is rude. Don't invite yourself to an ill person's house without bringing something to make their life better. Definitely don't make their life harder.

I also agree with the person upthread who speculated that when you said she is "sensitive" what she really is, is self-centered.

Very well summed up

most people would have taken the hint and not visited in the first place

thevoiceofreasoning · 11/08/2026 15:55

disturbia · 11/08/2026 15:30

Good for you OP I agree with you. Your now ex-friends are either extremely rude, mean as hell or mad. Were you tempted to say "what sandwich have you made for me?"

Well upon reflection … although I’ve know them for a number of years I guess we are not that close for me to say “oi where’s mine?!’ Like I probably would if it had been my best friend who had done this (heaven forbid!) But I was really looking forward to some nice nibbles and snacks* and was just in disbelief when I saw she had only put out three plates! Then when she asked me what was I having, I was so unprepared for the question I just mumbled I’ll make some toast and hobbled into the kitchen to fling some bread in the toaster! 🤣

  • I haven’t shared this part before because I thought people would surely think I’m making it up … but friend is actually a trained chef so I was really expecting a gourmet lunch! 😂
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disturbia · 11/08/2026 16:06

thevoiceofreasoning · 11/08/2026 15:55

Well upon reflection … although I’ve know them for a number of years I guess we are not that close for me to say “oi where’s mine?!’ Like I probably would if it had been my best friend who had done this (heaven forbid!) But I was really looking forward to some nice nibbles and snacks* and was just in disbelief when I saw she had only put out three plates! Then when she asked me what was I having, I was so unprepared for the question I just mumbled I’ll make some toast and hobbled into the kitchen to fling some bread in the toaster! 🤣

  • I haven’t shared this part before because I thought people would surely think I’m making it up … but friend is actually a trained chef so I was really expecting a gourmet lunch! 😂

I guess their behaviour was a shock and hindsight is a wonderful thing as they say when thinking of a response to the situation

thelegacyofhope · 11/08/2026 16:32

Next time they visit make them toast and serve yourself something really nice! 😂

sueelleker · 11/08/2026 17:33

thelegacyofhope · 11/08/2026 16:32

Next time they visit make them toast and serve yourself something really nice! 😂

No, let them make the toast.

thelegacyofhope · 11/08/2026 18:00

sueelleker · 11/08/2026 17:33

No, let them make the toast.

Yes, of course. Sorry! 😂

Spamham · 11/08/2026 18:37

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 11/08/2026 11:17

That is what I consider the most baffling aspect.
It's one thing to bring a few bowls of stuff and plate it up.

But she made such a point of wrapping it up in individual portions for three and also took home all the individual portions of fruit and yogurts that they didn't eat.

And sat there handed it out to the three lucky ones leaving the OP sitting there like a complete numpty, then instructed her to bring her own lunch. Even the thickest person watching the poor op struggling out to make some toast would have twigged or softened at that point. But she didn't. It's almost beyond insensitive, so it has to be deliberate.. but why? its baffling. As previously OP catered for them.

OP said this person is very oversensitive. I can only think that having said she'd drive to visit OP, she took offense when OP said she couldn't cater as usual and didn't have the brain capacity to put herself in the OP's shoes and realise what catering after surgery would entail, but couldn't see past that and felt a bit snubbed as if she'd been tricked into agreeing to a visit only to find out she was denied lunch, and thought. Right then. If I have to bring my own lunch, that is what I will do.. and that's why she made such a point of it?

It's such a very odd way to treat the OP. The worst part telling her to go and get her own lunch... I thought that was very clearly was implying that she thought if OP could make her own lunch, she could have made theirs. If that's the thinking, it was really passive aggressive. She just couldn't see past her own needs. And completely lacks empathy.

I wouldn't want to ever cook for them again.

I don't blame you OP for feeling that its not worth dealing with the drama at present. It's so tiring recovering from surgery without coping with someone crying at you and you just don't need it. You can always say it if the moment presents itself in the future. Wishing you a speedy recovery.

I get what you’re saying. OP’s friend is incredibly entitled and expects OP to cater for her as usual. But then realising this isn’t the case and they’ll have to pay for their own lunch, puts on a weird pass agg display to show her annoyance. It’s very mean girls 🤣

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